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Ally Pally Snowman
02 May 2021 07:55:37

ECM looks pretty solid on a warm up. Should finally lose the frost risk. Will it last though. 


 



 


 


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moomin75
02 May 2021 08:42:33


ECM looks pretty solid on a warm up. Should finally lose the frost risk. Will it last though. 


 



 


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Frost risk will finally diminish, but continues to look exceptionally unsettled. Absolutely no sign of any decent weather until mid May at the very earliest.


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Ally Pally Snowman
02 May 2021 09:24:26


Frost risk will finally diminish, but continues to look exceptionally unsettled. Absolutely no sign of any decent weather until mid May at the very earliest.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Still waiting for the unsettled weather to start here. Still no rain , think theres a chance of the Azores building in over us in the 10 to 15 day period. No certainties though.


 


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Devonian
02 May 2021 09:31:51

8mm so far here in this 'wet spell' - it's had zero effect on growing crops. There should be some rain on Tuesday, then it looks like we wont see more than 'might rain' for the rest of the week.


The dry spell is far from done with us, and wont be done with us unless we get 50-75mm of rain this month - which still looks highly unlikely to me.

Quantum
02 May 2021 09:44:11

Netweather GFS Image


This is about as extreme as its possible to get in May.


Persistant heavy snowfall and temps barely above freezing!


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Devonian
02 May 2021 09:48:27


Netweather GFS Image


This is about as extreme as its possible to get in May.


Persistant heavy snowfall and temps barely above freezing!


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Where? On the Scottish mountain or the Scilly isles?


It's seven days away. So, a pressure pattern like that might happen is the best we can say.

Quantum
02 May 2021 09:58:46


 


Where? On the Scottish mountain or the Scilly isles?


It's seven days away. So, a pressure pattern like that might happen is the best we can say.


Originally Posted by: Devonian 


Northern Edge of the warm front. So as it stands that dumps a load of snow over NW England. I know nothing can be taken literally a week out but as it stands that is an extreme record breaking chart.


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Col
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02 May 2021 10:06:14


 


Northern Edge of the warm front. So as it stands that dumps a load of snow over NW England. I know nothing can be taken literally a week out but as it stands that is an extreme record breaking chart.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Nah, these things always prog south :)


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Ally Pally Snowman
02 May 2021 10:34:55

Thursday does look like an extraordinarily cold day for early May . Probably wet and -4/5 850s. Low level snow definitely possible even likely. 


 


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doctormog
02 May 2021 10:43:31
Wednesday and Thursday have looked potentially wintry for many northern parts on the output for several days now. Please can we have some warmth after that.
Ally Pally Snowman
02 May 2021 10:48:38

GFS 6z builds in the Azores big time. It's very different run to the ECM though. 


 


https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=gfs&var=1&run=6&time=240&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=3#mapref


 


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Downpour
02 May 2021 12:47:12


 


Still waiting for the unsettled weather to start here. Still no rain , think theres a chance of the Azores building in over us in the 10 to 15 day period. No certainties though.


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


 


Indeed, the “copious rainfall” we were promised has thus far amounted to about 1mm. We might squeeze 4mm tomorrow I guess?


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mulattokid
02 May 2021 14:13:59


We may even reach average temperatures by the middle of the month here: 



Originally Posted by: doctormog 

  Who would have ever imagined that that was something to be highly hopeful about....


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doctormog
02 May 2021 14:16:14


  Who would have ever imagined that that was something to be highly hopeful about....


Originally Posted by: mulattokid 


Indeed. Although if it ends up that the best spell(s) of weather coincide with late spring and summer I won’t complain (especially given the restrictions on overseas travel). Hopefully the upward temperature trend in the medium to longer term will become a stronger one in coming days.


Chunky Pea
02 May 2021 14:38:43

7 day temp trend for Europe. Signs of a warm up over the far NE and particular over the central continental belt. Pretty much as we are in the NW.


 



 


 


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moomin75
02 May 2021 16:34:39


 


Nah, these things always prog south :)


Originally Posted by: Col 

12z has indeed sent it south and even showing fairly heavy snow in Central Southern England on Thursday now.


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Jiries
02 May 2021 21:22:42

Wednesday and Thursday have looked potentially wintry for many northern parts on the output for several days now. Please can we have some warmth after that.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Surely this sickening cold must die out eventually as now the sun is late July position and North Pole now 24 hours daylight so the extreme cold there will should die out and return to average so in turn UK get back to warmer side.  Already lost 7 weeks of useable long daylight hours and now only half way to longest day before it drawing in again.  

Downpour
02 May 2021 22:36:57


12z has indeed sent it south and even showing fairly heavy snow in Central Southern England on Thursday now.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


 


LOL. Not going to happen. A cold and unpleasant day quite possibly? Moderate snowfall across Central Southern England? Er, no. 


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DEW
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03 May 2021 09:12:36

A bit late this morning but better late than never ...


Probably the most interesting charts this morning are on FAX, showing the track of tomorrow's depression across Scotland with trailing fronts for S England; then a further LP develops on the trail-back to run up the Channel on Thursday 6th with a miserably wet day for for S England, supported by Arpege at T+82 (In January this would have been the snowstorm of the century, but no use crying over spilt milk) A further deep Lp is waiting off to the SW on Friday.


The 16-dayer continues to show well below average temps into week 2, even down into N Spain at that time, while the bubble of warmth has been re-instated in C Europe where it was a few days' forecast back. Rain plentiful across the UK week 1 and on into the Baltic; in week 2 reserved for France and S England.


GFS shows as FAX but in less detail; the LP in the SW moves to S Scotland 985mb Sun 9th; then shallow but extensive LP appears in Biscay Thu 13th with E-lies over England but HP 1035mb over Shetland ppulling some mild weather from the Atlantic there. As this LP fills, HP declines over the N to leave W-lies there and just a hint of continental warmth for the S at the very end, Wed 19th.


GEFS for the S - agreed on temps back to norm, Sat 8th & peaks of rain 4th, 6/7th and 9th and still some big totals from some runs thereafter, temps not agreed after the 8th but generally a small amount below norm. Scottish temps don't get back to norm until about Thu 13th then possibly a little above average. Rainfall similar except misses out on the 7th.


ECM - leaves out the Channel low on the 6th, and LP on the 13th is much further S near Corsica, while rather more LPs line up in the Atlantic


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mulattokid
03 May 2021 11:17:16

History Heathrow Airport: computing


UK weather: The coldest spring for 50 years with average temperature of just 6C | The Independent | The Independent


Spring 2013 was the coldest for 50 years.   Do you think this spring will give it a run for its money on current forecasts?


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Bertwhistle
03 May 2021 11:20:59

The GFS Op continues to show some very cold days in the second week, with several maxima <10C. Not as extreme as the 0z which offered a 5C max over us on one day! I've no doubt that would run for a record for May max in the S.


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Brian Gaze
03 May 2021 17:24:34

Possibly one of the most extreme weather events in western Europe if it happened. Would surely have to go down as an all time classic.



 



 



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Ally Pally Snowman
03 May 2021 17:43:48

GFS has dropped the idea of the plume will the ECM hold steady.  Big two very very different at the moment. 


 


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TimS
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03 May 2021 19:10:11


Possibly one of the most extreme weather events in western Europe if it happened. Would surely have to go down as an all time classic.



 



 



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Midwest style temperature contrasts. 
but I’m bored of this. I want warm. Warm and wet would do. Just warm. 


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moomin75
03 May 2021 20:49:11


History Heathrow Airport: computing


UK weather: The coldest spring for 50 years with average temperature of just 6C | The Independent | The Independent


Spring 2013 was the coldest for 50 years.   Do you think this spring will give it a run for its money on current forecasts?


Originally Posted by: mulattokid 

Yes, without a shadow of doubt. Coldest spring I can remember.


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