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Spring Sun Winter Dread
03 May 2021 23:33:36
March 2013 was really really severe though . Would have been well below average even if it were January and indeed there has been no colder month of any name since (Feb 2018 being very close). I remember seeing snow clinging to the trees during the final week of the month.
April and May that year were also largely devoid of any proper or long lasting warmth.
This year we've had a fairly normal March then a freezing April. We will need a very cold May to get anywhere close to 2013 .
Ally Pally Snowman
04 May 2021 07:05:09

 


 GFS doesn't want to relent just yet with the cool theme. But high pressure looks like dominating again after a week or so. 


 


 



 


 


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moomin75
04 May 2021 07:23:40


 


 GFS doesn't want to relent just yet with the cool theme. But high pressure looks like dominating again after a week or so. 


 


 



 


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Will 2021 be the new "year without a summer?"


 


Witney, Oxfordshire
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Brian Gaze
04 May 2021 07:26:25

We're reaching the stage where it won't take much to start importing heat (or at least warmth) from Scandinavia.


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Gusty
04 May 2021 07:34:42


We're reaching the stage where it won't take much to start importing heat (or at least warmth) from Scandinavia.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Yes, always a sign we've reached late Spring / early Summer when that happens. 


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Joe Bloggs
04 May 2021 07:51:54

Certainly a lot of promise in the GFS op this morning in the latter reaches.


High pressure and sunshine will feel very nice at this time of the year regardless of the airmass. 


If it happens of course! Although it has appeared in a fair few ops now. 



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DEW
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04 May 2021 08:08:31

16 dayer shows some warmth developing in Europe S of the Alps but N Europe remans cool, even cold over UK and Norway. Rain in week 1 in a band from N Spain to S Finland incl Uk breaks up into patches in week 2 - Portugal, Alps, Baltic states, and of course England/S Scotland.


Jetstream quite string and waving over England/France until Sun 9th, then a loop develops with strong flow from S close to E England  to Wed12th, followed by a confused period in which it mostly avoids the UK, finally Thu 20th becoming two streams as it was for much of April, weak to the N of UK and stronger through the Med.


GFS - today's LP moving away NE wards, succeeded by 985mb Ireland Sun 9th, also moves off to NE. Then Hp appears on Atlantic and from Fri 14th  through to Tue 18th forms an arc in general from SW Ireland to Faeroes to N Norway, importing warm air N wards but leaving England under E-lies controlled by LP over France. 


FAX still showing a channel-running LP on Thu 6th but nearer France than yesterday, agreed by Arpege which keeps the rain offshore in the Channel 


GEFS - for the S, cool/cold now, burst of warmth with rain Sun 9th, then cool again for several days but recovering irregularly to norm. Less rain in forecast than yesterday but not entirely dry. Similar for Scotland but wetter and cooler. Doesn't match the synoptics above.


ECM - shows that LP over Ireland but is slower to move it out of the way; also no trace of HP in Atlantic but LP 995 mb Fri 14th off SW Ireland.


This morning, if you pick the right run of the right model, you can have any weather you want!


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Chichester 12m asl
bledur
04 May 2021 08:12:54


Will 2021 be the new "year without a summer?"


 


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


 It is early May so i dont know why that would be.

Downpour
04 May 2021 08:15:49


Will 2021 be the new "year without a summer?"


 


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


 


No.


 


Writing off summer on 4 May. Maybe a record?


Chingford
London E4
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ozone_aurora
04 May 2021 09:09:15


Will 2021 be the new "year without a summer?"


 


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Don't think so, at least not in the SE & in September!

Though, don't think June, July & August will be great overall.

Will see.

briggsy6
04 May 2021 10:16:05

You can pretty much guarantee there will be some close to record breaking high temps down here in the S.E. at some point this summer. There is every year now!


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fairweather
04 May 2021 10:21:30

Will the extended blocks of weather continue? Since last April here we have gone six months dry and warm and sunny, 5 months of incessant rain and now into third month of dry, cold and breezy. We no longer get traditional changeable weather, just long spells of different contrasting types.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Joe Bloggs
04 May 2021 11:35:56


Certainly a lot of promise in the GFS op this morning in the latter reaches.


High pressure and sunshine will feel very nice at this time of the year regardless of the airmass. 


If it happens of course! Although it has appeared in a fair few ops now. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


No surprise but the 06z has reverted to unsettled throughout. 



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moomin75
04 May 2021 11:43:44


 


 


No.


 


Writing off summer on 4 May. Maybe a record?


Originally Posted by: Downpour 

Yes, yes that's right, I am writing off summer 2021 to some extent.


Not completely of course not, but you get a feel for a general pattern setting up, and that is one of regular and quite intense northern blocking and southerly jet stream. That does not for a good summer bode well. 


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
Downpour
04 May 2021 12:54:26


Yes, yes that's right, I am writing off summer 2021 to some extent.


Not completely of course not, but you get a feel for a general pattern setting up, and that is one of regular and quite intense northern blocking and southerly jet stream. That does not for a good summer bode well. 


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Members will remember you doing similarly last year. 


Absolutely ridiculous in May. Bonkers. 


Chingford
London E4
147ft
Hade Edge Snowman
04 May 2021 14:16:42


Yes, yes that's right, I am writing off summer 2021 to some extent.


Not completely of course not, but you get a feel for a general pattern setting up, and that is one of regular and quite intense northern blocking and southerly jet stream. That does not for a good summer bode well


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


It is Star Wars day after all 


Hade Edge Snowman
West Yorkshire
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Brian Gaze
04 May 2021 14:21:03


 


Members will remember you doing similarly last year. 


Absolutely ridiculous in May. Bonkers. 


Originally Posted by: Downpour 


 Didn't temperatures last year exceed 37C in the UK? 


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moomin75
04 May 2021 15:47:32


 


 Didn't temperatures last year exceed 37C in the UK? 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

I can't recall writing last summer off, but I can't see a full archive of model output threads from last year.


If I did, I would happily be shown the evidence that I did. If I recall, I think I was fairly non committal on last years prospects, but very happy to be proven otherwise.


I did see I commented on some particularly unsettled and cold ish looking charts in May and June but I see that I went for an average summer overall.


In fact, my exact phrase was it was likely to be bog standard British fare.


Apart from the brief hot spell, which we get every year, that was exactly what we had.


I certainly didn't write off the whole summer. I am not this year either, but I think it will be largely unsettled and cooler than average, albeit with some useable spells at times, but just not a particular good one.


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
picturesareme
04 May 2021 16:04:18


I can't recall writing last summer off, but I can't see a full archive of model output threads from last year.


If I did, I would happily be shown the evidence that I did. If I recall, I think I was fairly non committal on last years prospects, but very happy to be proven otherwise.


I did see I commented on some particularly unsettled and cold ish looking charts in May and June but I see that I went for an average summer overall.


In fact, my exact phrase was it was likely to be bog standard British fare.


Apart from the brief hot spell, which we get every year, that was exactly what we had.


I certainly didn't write off the whole summer. I am not this year either, but I think it will be largely unsettled and cooler than average, albeit with some useable spells at times, but just not a particular good one.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


You write off summer & winter pretty much every year lol.

moomin75
04 May 2021 16:16:15


 


You write off summer & winter pretty much every year lol.


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 

Yep. And most years I am correct. 🤣🤣🤣


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And yes, I am joking before people jump on me!


Just hope things improve soon.


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
moomin75
04 May 2021 17:14:54
For novelty value, deepest FI of the 12z GFS is insanely cold....right out at 20th May, with snow in the south, max temps of 4c and uppers around -5c. Just hilarious.
Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
Joe Bloggs
04 May 2021 17:23:20

Another nice GFS FI tonight.


https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU12_228_1.png



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Col
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04 May 2021 17:24:39

For novelty value, deepest FI of the 12z GFS is insanely cold....right out at 20th May, with snow in the south, max temps of 4c and uppers around -5c. Just hilarious.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Careful there, somebody wioll be saying you predicted that would happen :)


But really, we would be approaching June 1975 territory with that one.


Col
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doctormog
04 May 2021 17:25:19


Another nice GFS FI tonight.


https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU12_228_1.png


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Fingers crossed. Winter is getting a bit tedious now. 


idj20
04 May 2021 18:01:59

Saturday is looking likely to be quite a soaker for large swathes of England and Wales, including Kent where an inch could be possible. Good news for my already thirsty lawn, I suppose.


Folkestone Harbour. 

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