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KevBrads1
25 March 2021 05:27:19


I remember one Easter school holidays taking my kids on a 'snow safari' in the Peak District. Disappointing depths and we got to near Buxton before finding enough to sledge on. Going on pics and the ages of the girls, I reckon 2011 or 2012.


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Definitely wasn't 2011! That is the warmest April on record, Easter was the last weekend of that April and it was 23C that Good Friday, remember even hearing thunder that evening.


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DEW
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25 March 2021 07:44:18

Jetstream currently running weakly W-ly across the UK until about Tue 30th when two prominent loops develop, one S of Newfoundland, the other near Iceland. The latter supports a strong N-ly branch over the UK around Sun 4th, before the whole lot simplifies into a single stream across Europe S of the UK Fri 9th. 


The 16-dayer has quite a steep temp gradient across the UK, SW-NE, in week 2, with below-zero returning to the Highlands Rainfall switches from the N in week 1 to the S in week 2


GFS runs the expected trough across the UK Fri 26th and then has a deep but more localised depression N of Scotland Mon 29th. The latter transfers to N Norway and after a quiet period gathers strength to project NE-lies across the UK Sat 3rd. By Tue 6th this is anchored by twin LP centres, one over Norway and the other over Biscay. The system gradually decays over the following few days to give slack pressure over UK but with residual cold air.


GEFS as previously; temps dip on Fri 26th then mild in the S for a few days (perhaps only 1 day in Scotland) before a long period with most runs below norm but more variation than shown previously (op & control going in different directions, choice of other runs from 5C below norm to 5C above, so confidence low). A little rain towards end of period Sat 10th, could be snow in E and especially far N.


ECM similar but the NE-ly flow is concentrated  over the SE while NW Scotland is under the influence of HP in the Atlantic. Only a small shift in the location of pressure centres but a big difference in Scottish weather.


 


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Gooner
25 March 2021 08:24:46



My Birthday is looking cold 


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Gooner
25 March 2021 08:25:49


Followed by a cold Northerly flow 


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Rob K
25 March 2021 09:02:28


 


Easter 2018 was a cold one. I remember some higher routes getting snow on the Easter Monday (2 April).


Easter 2019 was a stunner. All four days were lovely and warm and sunny.


Easter 2020 started warm but turned colder as it progressed.


But yes it's looking increasingly likely this one could join the cold club. Some of those charts look very reminicient of early April 2008 which saw snow to some quite low and southerly locations.


Originally Posted by: Bolty 


Yes we had a short-lived 10cm fall in April 2008 here - and then another fall in October the same year. That seemed to usher in the snowier period around 2009-2012.


 


BTW has anyone else got weird gaps in the forecasts on the BBC site? Quite a few time intervals just show a blank towards the end of the period here: GU46 - BBC Weather


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Ally Pally Snowman
25 March 2021 09:04:43


 


Yes we had a short-lived 10cm fall in April 2008 here - and then another fall in October the same year. That seemed to usher in the snowier period around 2009-2012.


 


BTW has anyone else got weird gaps in the forecasts on the BBC site? Quite a few time intervals just show a blank towards the end of the period here: GU46 - BBC Weather


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


Yes BBC having issues Bishops Stortford has no temperatures at all. It also had mist forecast every day earlier. 


 


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Ally Pally Snowman
25 March 2021 09:07:28

Looks like a disappointingly cold start to April.  Probably some decent hail and snow showers around though.


 


 


 



 


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sunny coast
25 March 2021 09:19:41

[quote=Rob K;1328913]


 


Yes we had a short-lived 10cm fall in April 2008 here - and then another fall in October the same year. That seemed to usher in the snowier period around 2009-2012.


 


BTW has anyone else got weird gaps in the forecasts on the BBC site? Quite a few time intervals just show a blank towards the end of the period here: GU46 - BBC Weather


[/quot  e]  remember that well   Sunday 6 April  we had 4 inches even on the seafront in Eastbourne  and temp below freezing most of day  remarkable for this location.  Best late season snowfall for many a year here 

Sevendust
25 March 2021 09:56:38


Looks like a disappointingly cold start to April.  Probably some decent hail and snow showers around though.


 


 


 



 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Don't forget the sun is stronger by April so at the surface it may be OK away from shower activity. North or NE winds are less of an issue for me being west of London anyway and it doesn't look that wet

idj20
25 March 2021 10:02:59


Don't forget the sun is stronger by April so at the surface it may be OK away from shower activity. North or NE winds are less of an issue for me being west of London anyway and it doesn't look that wet


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 



Whereas here at Kent it's already starting to look like the stunted Spring of 2013 all over again, although SSTs off the South East in Spring 2013 were much lower than average (was still 5 c around the Kent coast in April) while it is currently 7 c to 8 c which are normal for this time of year and, like you say, at least there hasn't been much in the way of rainfall lately. 


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Gooner
25 March 2021 17:09:52

First 10 days of April is looking a bit cold 


 


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Tim A
25 March 2021 20:24:46
Possible lying snow in places Saturday dawn.
https://modeles14.meteociel.fr/modeles/euro4/runs/2021032512/euro4_uk1-46-41-0.png?25-17 

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DEW
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26 March 2021 07:22:04

16-dayer showing the Spring warm-up in week 2 by-passing the UK and moving into C/E Europe, while the UK, if anything, gets colder from the north. Band of rain across the N of UK and across to Norway in week 1 shifts to the S of UK and across to the Med in week 2.


GFS - strong SW-lies and HP over France to Tue 30th suddenly flips as HP moves to C Atlantic and N-lies set in under influence of LP over Norway - tentatively at first but a full-on Arctic blast Mon 5th. This is only brief as the worst of the cold shifts E-wards as new HP arises over N Sea 1035mb Wed 7th and a full-on S-ly by Fri 9th!


GEFS - in the S, brief very mild spell around Mon 29th has abrupt end Wed 1st with the majority of runs then some 7C below norm gradually recovering to norm Sun 11th - it's only the op run which is  a major warm outlier matching the synoptics above . Small amounts of rain from Thu 1st onwards. Similar in Scotland but mild spell at first is shorter with some rain; and a few very cold outliers around Tue 6th with some high snow row figures.


Not much sign of consistency in the GFS suite - alternating S-ly and N-ly flows, and actual weather for UK depending critically on whether these flows establish just to the W or just to the E.


ECM has the initial stages of the N-ly spell held to the other side of the N Sea so not too cold but fully agrees with the Arctic blast on Mon 5th


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Brian Gaze
26 March 2021 07:38:27

One of the most extreme polar plunges I can recall seeing.


 



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Sevendust
26 March 2021 07:50:06


One of the most extreme polar plunges I can recall seeing.


 



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Looks very 1975 that. We were midway through a very cold and wintry month long spell at that point

doctormog
26 March 2021 07:55:20

Thankfully there is nothing cold heading this way by the 5th on the ECM 00z op run 



 


GezM
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26 March 2021 10:13:44


16-dayer showing the Spring warm-up in week 2 by-passing the UK and moving into C/E Europe, while the UK, if anything, gets colder from the north. Band of rain across the N of UK and across to Norway in week 1 shifts to the S of UK and across to the Med in week 2.


Originally Posted by: DEW 


I'm surprised the 8 to 16 day chart is not showing darker greens and even blues over the UK. It does look as if we're in for a proper cold spell. Perhaps the brief warmer interludes are offsetting it?


All in all, after a fairly bland March, end of March and early April are looking much more interesting. A brief hint of summer is likely in the south early next week with temperatures into the low 20s in a few favoured spots. This looks to be followed by a return to winter, at least for a few days. 

Personally, I love the 'battle' between strengthening sun and Arctic cold that we can get this time of year 


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Gooner
26 March 2021 14:32:07

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backtobasics
26 March 2021 14:56:20


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Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Pretty much sums up spring in this country.  Even the great purple one knew that Sometimes it snows in April 

Ally Pally Snowman
26 March 2021 15:04:34

Some very warm air first though 23c forecast for Tuesday which is date record territory. 


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moomin75
26 March 2021 19:11:20


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Originally Posted by: Gooner 

Isn't this just sodding typical of this country. In December to February, these charts will downgrade, but you just know these will continue to ramp up cold to delivery a thoroughly miserable Easter.


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Quantum
26 March 2021 20:00:52


This one is fairly funny. Even in April that would give an ice day to many northern parts.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
tallyho_83
27 March 2021 01:27:45


Isn't this just sodding typical of this country. In December to February, these charts will downgrade, but you just know these will continue to ramp up cold to delivery a thoroughly miserable Easter.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


 


I haven't seen the GFS for a while now as I am in spring mode and especially after that failed easterly back in February after the models showed so much potential but delivered little I lost interest.


I do occasionally check this forum and had a quick look at GFS. I can't find the parallel run. So I assume it's been taken down or heard rumours the operational is the new parallel? Anyway. I agree with you. It's sods law we get a prior northerly over Easter....just wish these charts occurred in the winter months. I bet this colder spell will get upgraded as well. Just when we don't want cold weather. But on the flip side this use to be quite normal I remember in the 00s and 90s we had snow over Easter. I remember April 1998/April 1999 very well and also the snowfall in early April 2008 during the Olympic torch run in London. It is fair to say that have perhaps been spoilt with warm springs over the recent years.wink


Back to the models (if they verify!) Having seen the ENS - we could be in for a long cold spell early April which will be a shock to wildlife after potential of reaching 20c Wednesday. 


I just wish we could see charts like this in the winter but NO they get downgraded of course. 🙄


 


 


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KevBrads1
27 March 2021 07:24:27


HERE'S WINTER!!!!!!!



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DEW
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27 March 2021 07:50:22

16-dayer showing a resurgence of cold air over Scandi and to a lesser extent over UK in week 2, and main rain area as yesterday transferring from N of UK to S of it.


GFS - troughs moving through ATM but massive bulge of HP, a plume even, by Tue 30th 1035mb N France, but just as quickly slips away to mid Atlantic ushering in N-lies by Thu 1st, weak at first and converting to E-lies Sun 4th as pressure drops over France and then some colder NE-lies Wed 7th (not a N-ly as yesterday). The direct feed drops off but cold air remains over UK as LPs move in from the Atlantic and sit off Cornwall from Sat 10th. The deep Lp over Scandi is in place from Wed 7th and still a possible menace through to Mon 12th.


GEFS - for the S - ridiculously mild ca Tue 30th followed by a drop >15C overnight and then consistently cold (ca 5C below norm) through to Sun 11th - and good agreement, too. Small amounts of rain from time to time. Similar in Scotland, a little less consistent and rather more rain - or maybe snow, the snow row figures even for Edinburgh are high teens for a week or so either side of Thu 8th.


ECM - Similar to GFS up to Sun 4th, but then sticking with the original and very cold direct N-ly Mon 5th which persists.


Note: clocks go forward tonight so owing to domestic circumstances I may not always be able to wait for ECM 00z to load when posting this review, for the period of BST (ECM 00z appears in stages, & doesn't finish before 0700 GMT)


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