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mulattokid
12 May 2021 19:57:37

Quoting the comments I hoped I would not be able to see, but can still  see because others engage:


"If you see what the BBC longer range is now hinting at, you won't be expecting anything more summery. They have specifically referenced 2012 and patterns being similar.


 


They seem to be erring towards a write off summer, with perhaps a 35% chance of a few hot spells. Not looking good for 2021 at all."


 


This is not true and nothiing  of the sort has been said!  In fact, the summer outlook is for above average.


 


It is the same every time things look bad. I am also a sufferer of depression and I know this game:  Involve everybody else in your misery for your own needs. And it is working.  I am getting too depressed to come on this thread.


Please! DO Not Engage in this!  It is nothing to do with weather or models.  Please do not enourage it! Silence is the best medicine.


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severnside
12 May 2021 19:57:44

Any decent weather keeps getting put back in the model runs now for some time. Central Europe has the best of the weather at the moment with temperatures in the mid 20's and looking to continue there. Back in Glos'shire its quite bleak with unsettled conditions and cool temperatures, rainfall for this month edging 60mm. Hopefully this current pattern will break allowing something more settled.

TimS
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13 May 2021 06:35:43
Déjà vu this morning. Same old models. This is one of the most persistent spells of the same weather since, well, the persistent cold dry weather of last month.

All the fault of that damned Greenland high. Sitting up there aloof, pushing all the crap down South.
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Brian Gaze
13 May 2021 07:01:57

Just removed a number of OT comments. 


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DEW
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13 May 2021 07:04:34

16-dayer shows NW Europe remaining cool for both weeks, joined by NE Europe n week 2 where it has been rather warm recently. Rain mostly over S Britain week 1 moving away to give a band over continental Europe week 2


GFS shows LP generally over the UK for the next week with new centres drifting in from the Atlantic across central Britain esp Mon 17th and Thu 20th, the latter generating a N-ly as it moves on to the E. This is briefly displaced by a toppling ridge of HP Wed 26th (with a bit of warmth) before new LP over Biscay appears and moves  N to Ireland Sat 29th


EDIT FAX shows more localised troughs along the Channel until Mon 17th followed by a N-ly controlled by LP further N over Scotland Mon 17th


GEFS mean temp stays resolutely close to or a little below average, and with showery rain throughout (but op & control both dip some 7 or 8C below to match the N-ly mentioned above, ca Sat 23rd, followed by a bounce back for the op above norm on the 28th). In Scotland more runs also show the dip around the 23rd, but less of the showery rain towards the end.


ECM similar to GFS though the LPs mentioned are deeper


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Quantum
13 May 2021 10:07:33

If the 0Z verifies the snow potential thread will be back.


Wouldn't rule out low ground snowfall (in Scotland) in June at this point!



2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
sunny coast
13 May 2021 13:30:08


 


Ok fair enough temperatures are close to or a little below average. But I'm still a little bemused at how people can be describing the recent Weather as 'lovely Spring days' it's as if some people are too easily pleased!


And I'm pretty sure it's much less than nearly half the UK population living in the SE more like 1/4


Originally Posted by: Taylor1740 

   well near the coast here there has been a good deal of sunshine this week which is pretty usual in spring showery set ups  and t ho temps are still a bit below par  it has felt warm in the strong sunshine 

Hungry Tiger
13 May 2021 13:33:54

The synoptic charts are giving me cause for concern. For weeks now there has been a persistent  high pressure over Newfoundland and another high pressure over Greenland. Occasionally they thrust a ridge in our direction which gives us the presistently low temperatures.


Hardly any mention is made of this. I've noticed this on the synoptic charts on Look East for ages now.


 


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Taylor1740
13 May 2021 13:47:11


   well near the coast here there has been a good deal of sunshine this week which is pretty usual in spring showery set ups  and t ho temps are still a bit below par  it has felt warm in the strong sunshine 


Originally Posted by: sunny coast 


Yes that's right at this time of year even with temperatures s little below average it will feel warm in the sun, but that doesn't make the conditions 'average' as some people have suggested, it will very likely be a much cooler and wetter than average month.


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moomin75
13 May 2021 14:33:22


The synoptic charts are giving me cause for concern. For weeks now there has been a persistent  high pressure over Newfoundland and another high pressure over Greenland. Occasionally they thrust a ridge in our direction which gives us the presistently low temperatures.


Hardly any mention is made of this. I've noticed this on the synoptic charts on Look East for ages now.


 


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 

This is absolutely my concern too, but I fear saying anything for getting jumped on.....There is of course, plenty of time for patterns to change, but it certainly appears a locked in pattern at the moment that is proving extremely stubborn.


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ozone_aurora
13 May 2021 14:53:32


The synoptic charts are giving me cause for concern. For weeks now there has been a persistent  high pressure over Newfoundland and another high pressure over Greenland. Occasionally they thrust a ridge in our direction which gives us the presistently low temperatures.


Hardly any mention is made of this. I've noticed this on the synoptic charts on Look East for ages now.


 


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


Wondered if Solar activity could be playing the part or just normal pattern?

noodle doodle
13 May 2021 16:07:47


 


South East quadrant - SE + London + EA = 27 million population!


Originally Posted by: Downpour 


 


Isn't part of the reason the south-east is historically more densely populated because the weather is warmer and drier?


 


After all, people retire to Bournemouth and Brighton not Braemar and Baltasound :-)

Bertwhistle
13 May 2021 16:15:50


The spring monsoon continues. Not the best weather in terms of Covid spread. We need dry air and sunshine


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Not my understanding; cold, dry air is the worst, but yes to sunshine as research has now indicated rapid reduction in viral viability in even moderate UV.


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13 May 2021 16:35:23


 


 


Isn't part of the reason the south-east is historically more densely populated because the weather is warmer and drier?


 


After all, people retire to Bournemouth and Brighton not Braemar and Baltasound :-)


Originally Posted by: noodle doodle 


One of the reasons the Lancashire cotton industy developed where it did was that the damp climate meant the cotton threads were less likely to break during manufacture.


It would probably never have taken off in Essex!


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Ally Pally Snowman
13 May 2021 17:31:58

Some straws tonight as both GEM and GFS build the Azores high very nicely over the UK by day 9/10.


 


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Col
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13 May 2021 17:47:08


Some straws tonight as both GEM and GFS build the Azores high very nicely over the UK by day 9/10.


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Yup, but I've seen this all before this month. Some very tasty looking charts, sometimes even consistent over a few days but always at 10+ days out, near enough to be of interest but always too far away for any degree of confidence. Then they disappear completely and return again at 10 days. Rinse & repeat. This is liike the winter search for cold, forever chasing the end of the rainbow, always just out of reach....


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Ally Pally Snowman
13 May 2021 18:01:57


 


Yup, but I've seen this all before this month. Some very tasty looking charts, sometimes even consistent over a few days but always at 10+ days out, near enough to be of interest but always too far away for any degree of confidence. Then they disappear completely and return again at 10 days. Rinse & repeat. This is liike the winter search for cold, forever chasing the end of the rainbow, always just out of reach....


Originally Posted by: Col 


 


Indeed,  we need the high pressure to get in the 6 day range to have a chance.  The GFS run really is a beauty though. 


 


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13 May 2021 18:50:09

Something has to budge soon. Yesterday’s GEFS were so linear, clustered and flat for so long you knew something had to give.


I think by the last week of May we’ll have very different weather to now. Whether that’s cataclysmic flooding, a return of unseasonably late frosts and snow flurries, or a suddenly record breaking heatwave I don’t know.


There is at one member of this evening’s GEFS set that promises to smash the May max temp record. P15. Modelled max of 30C on the ensemble line chart means a mid 30s actual max. At least 33C. There is another member (P20) that gives almost the whole country several days of frost, with some widespread hill snow. Various runs promise different locations a month’s worth of rain in a day.



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Ally Pally Snowman
13 May 2021 18:57:51

ECM also brings in the Azores high by day 9/10


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Jiries
13 May 2021 19:25:19


Something has to budge soon. Yesterday’s GEFS were so linear, clustered and flat for so long you knew something had to give.


I think by the last week of May we’ll have very different weather to now. Whether that’s cataclysmic flooding, a return of unseasonably late frosts and snow flurries, or a suddenly record breaking heatwave I don’t know.


There is at one member of this evening’s GEFS set that promises to smash the May max temp record. P15. Modelled max of 30C on the ensemble line chart means a mid 30s actual max. At least 33C. There is another member (P20) that gives almost the whole country several days of frost, with some widespread hill snow. Various runs promise different locations a month’s worth of rain in a day.



Originally Posted by: TimS 


Something need to give sooner than later as it been nearly 2 months now since we had a normal Spring warm spell.  Now is down to 5 weeks left to the longest day and we lost so much of useable long daylight hours so far.

Polar Low
13 May 2021 20:11:46

Strange amount of variability across the set for temperature tomorrow I don’t think I’ve seen that amount of variation so soon in time before.


https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_table.php?x=0&y=0&lat=51.5085&lon=-0.12574&run=12&ext=1&mode=7&sort=0

Polar Low
13 May 2021 20:14:32

https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=15&ech=312&mode=0&carte=0




 


Something need to give sooner than later as it been nearly 2 months now since we had a normal Spring warm spell.  Now is down to 5 weeks left to the longest day and we lost so much of useable long daylight hours so far.


Originally Posted by: Jiries 

Brian Gaze
13 May 2021 20:20:18

TWO grid points may be slightly different, but the first 30C of the season is safely in the bag tonight.



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fairweather
13 May 2021 20:22:03


 


Yup, but I've seen this all before this month. Some very tasty looking charts, sometimes even consistent over a few days but always at 10+ days out, near enough to be of interest but always too far away for any degree of confidence. Then they disappear completely and return again at 10 days. Rinse & repeat. This is liike the winter search for cold, forever chasing the end of the rainbow, always just out of reach....


Originally Posted by: Col 


Yes, you start feeling like you are wishing your life away at the moment. Waiting for the cold to arrive, waiting for the cold to go, waiting for the rain to come, waiting for the summer of course and all this while you are looking forward to the end of the lockdown. I'm too old to be wishing my life away!


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13 May 2021 20:40:09
The worst thing about this spell of rather unseasonably cool and showeryness is the long hours of daylight 'going to waste'.
Not just our use of the time but plant growth too should be photosynthesising like mad - but here most trees are still barey opening leaves and silage/hay crops are only just starting to grow more normally when some years they'd be up to your knees with huge leaf area.

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