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Russwirral
19 January 2022 17:00:42
on the topic of Rain, this January has to be the driest January Ive known for some time.

To go weeks with very little rain (27mm), and to look at the charts and see total rainfall from today til the end of the month is Zero, really is astonishing.

Weve had several years now where Oct-Feb months have clocked monthly totals 100mm + This month goes very much against that. Dec we had over 140mm. which is slightly above normal.

Not complaining mind - golf course is standing up nicely to winter usage, very few winter greens in use.
Hippydave
19 January 2022 17:49:13

GFS 12z op continues with the trend for HP to become a touch less influential, allowing the Atlantic more say at times although does end very blocked again. 


Overall another dry run, with essentially no rain for much of the UK in the next 10 days aside from the NW of Scotland and temps fairly average for much of the time. (The odd cooler or milder blip aside). 


 


 


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western100
19 January 2022 18:35:50
Some remarkable weather this winter across the UK

Unfortunately for many it’s not their preference , snowless but the HP dominance December and January is unusual (more so in January)

The mild weather around new year was historic and January will be very sunny and very dry vs averages for a good proportion. Especially Midlands

The next 16 days by GFS is very blocked mid latitude

I’m still of strong opinion that the EQBO has impacted the result of the weak westerly influence , it’s not brought cold upper air to the UK but most definitely large periods of winter with little west or south west flow

I’m also still of opinion that La Niña has prompted the HP to emerge. There are several January’s with HP dominated months in La Niña years (most of them with similar CETs to 2022 as well)

I know there’s lots of deviation with the type of La Niña ( E or C based) and the state of the QBO but you could spend all day going further into the detail, it won’t yield much difference to the pattern
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picturesareme
19 January 2022 18:44:57

on the topic of Rain, this January has to be the driest January Ive known for some time.

To go weeks with very little rain (27mm), and to look at the charts and see total rainfall from today til the end of the month is Zero, really is astonishing.

Weve had several years now where Oct-Feb months have clocked monthly totals 100mm + This month goes very much against that. Dec we had over 140mm. which is slightly above normal.

Not complaining mind - golf course is standing up nicely to winter usage, very few winter greens in use.

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


Sitting close to 50% of our January average down here which after a wet December evens us out at the moment.

Rob K
19 January 2022 23:45:51
Certainly wasn’t dry today. Although maybe not a great deal of rain in mm terms it coincided with my sorting out some garden waste to take to the tip and I got thoroughly soaked by the heavy fine rain. Definitely a “wet rain”.
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20 January 2022 07:05:10

WX Summary shows an interestingly large blob of cold air far out to the east but W Europe continues mild with oC isotherm still pushed back to the further side of Poland. Very dry week 1 for Europe generally, and drier than shown yesterday for week 2 though pptn is there for NW Britain and Norway.


Jet currently running N of Britain but moving S to affect Britain from Fri 1st; no long and strong flows, more a series of pulses.


GFS op - HP over the UK for the rest of Jan, more firmly so than shown yesterday, flattening out S-wards from Tue 1st with zonal W-lies. The LP shown yesterday has been replaced by an even deeper one 940mb S of Iceland Sat 5th with gales in all parts


GEFS - cold now, milder around Tue 25th, then mean close to norm for rest of period but little agreement between ensemble members. Rain beginning to appear in an increasing number of runs from 1st Feb


FAX wants to get rid of the HP from Mon 24th with small disturbances moving from Atlantic to N Scotland


ECM also shows a weaker HP around the 24th, then re-instates it but some way S with NW/W-lies for all by Sun 30th


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Chunky Pea
20 January 2022 07:56:27

Was flicking through some grib data (since 1950) last night to see if any other winter month had such a long run of anticyclonic weather and it would seem that the prolonged spell of high pressure this month is not unprecedented. A few notable episodes in history standout but February 1965 stands out the most. 



(map shows the monthly mean pressure pattern and values for Feb '65)


A pattern not unlike the current month, but mean position of the high a little more north in general which allowed in more potent cold air masses in on a more regular basis. A monthly MSLP mean of over 1930hPa over much of Ireland and the western portions of the UK in a Winter month is just incredible. 


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Brian Gaze
20 January 2022 08:06:59

January 92 was flagged up on Twitter.


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/reanalysis.aspx?year=1992&month=Jan&dom=01&var=HPA&region=NA&level=500&hour=00


 


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Chunky Pea
20 January 2022 08:17:15


Nice resource!


January '63 (and January '64 interestingly enough) and February 2012 are other notables:



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Rob K
20 January 2022 08:41:14


A monthly MSLP mean of over 1930hPa over much of Ireland and the western portions of the UK in a Winter month is just incredible. 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


It certainly would be!


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20 January 2022 10:34:49
This persistent UK anticyclone looks likely to help push very cold air down across Turkey all the way to Cyprus. Ankara is expecting highs of -5C next week with snow. Even Antalya is showing rain and snow next Tuesday. Nicosia rain with highs of 9c several days next week. The Troodos mountains look like they have lovely ski conditions now with more snow on the way over the next few days ....

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Jiries
20 January 2022 10:56:12

This persistent UK anticyclone looks likely to help push very cold air down across Turkey all the way to Cyprus. Ankara is expecting highs of -5C next week with snow. Even Antalya is showing rain and snow next Tuesday. Nicosia rain with highs of 9c several days next week. The Troodos mountains look like they have lovely ski conditions now with more snow on the way over the next few days ....

Originally Posted by: GezM 

">http://www.skicyprus.com/webcam/


Will be watching with interest and the weather observer Kita throw hot water into the air at -10.8C and become icy so fast that we see in colder areas.  Never tried in here sadly.

Taylor1740
20 January 2022 11:09:36
It's looking poor for February, no sign at all of a cold spell, we've hardly had a hint of a Scandi high all Winter when basically all the long range signals indicated we should have a cold spell at some point. I think this Winter has taught me to just accept that the weather is random and will do what it wants. There's no point trying to make long range predictions really, it's all just down to luck.
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Jiries
20 January 2022 11:49:19

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/show_diagrams.php?model=gfs&var=2&geoid=28552&lid=ENS&bw=1


Staying very cold and one go far as -10C uppers last reached in 1950 when it was 2C maxiumum daytime.  


Imagine if was here we would be looking at -10 to -15C uppers.  

Brian Gaze
20 January 2022 11:52:39

It's looking poor for February, no sign at all of a cold spell, we've hardly had a hint of a Scandi high all Winter when basically all the long range signals indicated we should have a cold spell at some point. I think this Winter has taught me to just accept that the weather is random and will do what it wants. There's no point trying to make long range predictions really, it's all just down to luck.

Originally Posted by: Taylor1740 


I agree it currently looks poor for Feb. My view (and I know many either won't like this and / or think I'm over simplifying ) is that recent climatology is as good a guide as anything. When month after month is  coming in above CET you're on the back foot to begin with. 


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Hippydave
20 January 2022 12:08:30

It's tempting to start copy and pasting earlier comments on the various GFS ops to save time


Minor wobbles around where the HP sits and how much influence it'll have as a result aside, the 6z op is generally very similar to the 00z etc.


The op picks back up on another temporary colder shot around 28th Jan which has been signalled in the ens on and off for a while and shows in the ECM ens to varying degrees. 


As other's have mentioned there's no signs of a cold spell on the horizon and all the while there's a never ending conveyor of strong jet streaks heading just to the North of the UK I doubt there will be either. Whether the jet will relent in February and something more interesting will pop up is TBC - given the tendency for HP to slink a bit further south with time there's probably more chance of some unusually warm weather in  early Feb than there is anything cold. (Not something that's been shown generally as the HP is a bit too far West most of the time so whilst we get some mild air it's somewhat modified by the time it rolls around the flanks of the high. Sink the high a little further south east though and we could get some very mild stuff).


All in all, disappointing from a snow POV but at least the outlook is generally dry.


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tallyho_83
20 January 2022 12:20:45


 


I agree it currently looks poor for Feb. My view (and I know many either won't like this and / or think I'm over simplifying ) is that recent climatology is as good a guide as anything. When month after month is  coming in above CET you're on the back foot to begin with. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Yes and the frustrating thing is that many other parts of Europe and the world can get and or experience extreme cold and snow but it always appears to be the case that the UK misses the cold and snow. This year is another example - today the cold air and snow is 100 miles east and over Scandinavia and in the north sea. Despite 850hpa uppers in the south east of -7.0c at 850hpa the daytime temperature is still +7c in central London at 12pm which is average and even though we may have got a few frosty nights under weeks of Anti-cyclonic weather we saw no freezing fog or ice days and every few places saw much if any frost due to cloud and it has actually been feeling rather pleasant during the daytime in the light winds. If the cause of our milder weather is due to this Mid Atlantic ridge - then what is the cause of that ridge to stick around there and for weeks and weeks?


Anyway, I digress - but after a mild December and exceptionally mild end to the month and start to January - it now appears that it will be a mild end to January and start to February: - This winter is a write off WIO. Sorry someone had to say it! So disappointed I really am - after last years teaser and all the background signals for cold -more notably the La Nina and Eastern QBO etc we could have a snowless winter and as much as I despised the winter of 2019/20 as the PV of doom at least there were colder incursions and Scotland saw snow if transient snow and there was weather to talk about. So far we have had nothing of interest to talk about in terms of cold and snow. We have to look back to Autumn at Storm Arwen which occurred at the end of November for any interest.


Furthermore, the PV is strengthening and not weakening and temperatures are cooling at 10 and 30hpa not rising!


AS you rightly mentioned Brian we had such a warm Autumn with well above average CET's throughout September, October and November etc. Perhaps this could be the new norm of warmer Autumns and Winters but colder Spring and Summers!? I would dread to think that but I do recall April and May last year and it was cold - not to mention snowy early April.


Meanwhile back OT - look's like January will end just how it started -(On a milder note).


I do wonder if this could turn out to be the mildest winter on record?


 


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Taylor1740
20 January 2022 13:05:55


 


Yes and the frustrating thing is that many other parts of Europe and the world can get and or experience extreme cold and snow but it always appears to be the case that the UK misses the cold and snow. This year is another example - today the cold air and snow is 100 miles east and over Scandinavia and in the north sea. Despite 850hpa uppers in the south east of -7.0c at 850hpa the daytime temperature is still +7c in central London at 12pm which is average and even though we may have got a few frosty nights under weeks of Anti-cyclonic weather we saw no freezing fog or ice days and every few places saw much if any frost due to cloud and it has actually been feeling rather pleasant during the daytime in the light winds. If the cause of our milder weather is due to this Mid Atlantic ridge - then what is the cause of that ridge to stick around there and for weeks and weeks?


Anyway, I digress - but after a mild December and exceptionally mild end to the month and start to January - it now appears that it will be a mild end to January and start to February: - This winter is a write off WIO. Sorry someone had to say it! So disappointed I really am - after last years teaser and all the background signals for cold -more notably the La Nina and Eastern QBO etc we could have a snowless winter and as much as I despised the winter of 2019/20 as the PV of doom at least there were colder incursions and Scotland saw snow if transient snow and there was weather to talk about. So far we have had nothing of interest to talk about in terms of cold and snow. We have to look back to Autumn at Storm Arwen which occurred at the end of November for any interest.


Furthermore, the PV is strengthening and not weakening and temperatures are cooling at 10 and 30hpa not rising!


AS you rightly mentioned Brian we had such a warm Autumn with well above average CET's throughout September, October and November etc. Perhaps this could be the new norm of warmer Autumns and Winters but colder Spring and Summers!? I would dread to think that but I do recall April and May last year and it was cold - not to mention snowy early April.


Meanwhile back OT - look's like January will end just how it started -(On a milder note).


I do wonder if this could turn out to be the mildest winter on record?


 


Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


I'm pretty sure there's not much chance of this being the mildest winter on record as January will come out not that much above average.


But agree with Brian that we seem to be in a warm/mild pattern since about last June. In my experience these warm/ cold runs tend to last around 6 months. For example the first 5 months of last year were generally cold, now we have had around 6 months of warmer than average. I remember the first 6 months of 2013 were very cold and the last 6 months being warm as another example.


So we must be due to come out of this pattern at some point maybe it will be March.


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fairweather
20 January 2022 13:27:41


 


I agree it currently looks poor for Feb. My view (and I know many either won't like this and / or think I'm over simplifying ) is that recent climatology is as good a guide as anything. When month after month is  coming in above CET you're on the back foot to begin with. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I think as recently as a couple of years ago you would have been pilloried for making that statement in the middle of January but most dissenters have now realised that sadly it is pretty much a statement of fact.


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nsrobins
20 January 2022 17:22:42


 


I think as recently as a couple of years ago you would have been pilloried for making that statement in the middle of January but most dissenters have now realised that sadly it is pretty much a statement of fact.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


Not so many years ago I would be one to criticise such a statement, but there's no denying the climate is changing and the old rule of thumb that over a year the means normalize out is sadly no longer true and you can't say 'next month will be cold because the last three have been warm' anymore. The evidence is there to see.
I wonder if and when the next cold winter will come.


Still, stranger things have happened (March 2018 for instance)


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20 January 2022 17:32:58
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Chunky Pea
20 January 2022 17:44:52


 


It certainly would be!


Originally Posted by: Rob K 



I think it is fair to say that that record will not be challenged anytime soon! 


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Chunky Pea
20 January 2022 17:51:54


 


I'm pretty sure there's not much chance of this being the mildest winter on record as January will come out not that much above average.


But agree with Brian that we seem to be in a warm/mild pattern since about last June. In my experience these warm/ cold runs tend to last around 6 months. For example the first 5 months of last year were generally cold, now we have had around 6 months of warmer than average. I remember the first 6 months of 2013 were very cold and the last 6 months being warm as another example.


So we must be due to come out of this pattern at some point maybe it will be March.


Originally Posted by: Taylor1740 


Agree with this totally, though I think any cooling won't occur until at least the 2nd half of this year. The last warm phase peaked in summer 2018* and after that, there was a very gradual cool down that eventually bottomed out in early Summer 2021. Only going by stats for over here, but would imagine it would be a similar story in the UK. 


* that should read early Summer 2019


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David M Porter
20 January 2022 18:45:22


 


Not so many years ago I would be one to criticise such a statement, but there's no denying the climate is changing and the old rule of thumb that over a year the means normalize out is sadly no longer true and you can't say 'next month will be cold because the last three have been warm' anymore. The evidence is there to see.
I wonder if and when the next cold winter will come.


Still, stranger things have happened (March 2018 for instance)


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


I can remember during the winter of 2006/07, which was a very poor one for coldies and was also my first winter as a member of TWO, that many people were asking on these threads if we were ever likely to get a reasonably long-lasting spell of notable winter cold in this country again, let alone a notably cold winter season. Given what that winter was like and the one after that, many would have been forgiven at that time for thinking the answer to that was a pretty definite 'no'. Little did any of us think then that only 3-4 years later, we would see two winters on the bounce with major month-long cold spells and a sub-zero CET month in the second of those winters.


I agree that recent climatology is generally a good guide, but at the same time it should never be taken to mean that a notable cold spell of sustained length can't or won't happen again. Some of us thought that in the mid-noughties as noted above, but we had something of a rude awakening for a time at the end of the 2000s/ start of the 2010s.


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marco 79
20 January 2022 18:58:23
Think we need to see a negative AMO develop before any meaningful winters verify. As back in 70s/80s..although with a warming climate we may not see one as definitive as they were..
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