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Joe Bloggs
17 July 2022 10:13:12

06z GFS as discussed.


15z Monday and Tuesday. 




Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL
Retron
17 July 2022 10:17:34


Ill be following that closely, thanks, given my son will be baking at St Martin’s Plain on his CCF camp.


If you fancy seeing what’s happening up in the downs then here’s mine, at Little Bursted Vineyard https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/ICANTE35


Originally Posted by: TimS 


Both Steve's station and yours will make good viewing tomorrow and Tuesday!


As you mentioned Sheppey earlier - mine's here:


https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/ILEYSDOW1/


(It has a daytime fan installed, to try and reduce over-readings. It's better than the Oregon it replaced, but I still have my doubts!)


 

Leysdown, north Kent
TimS
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17 July 2022 10:29:39
Arome 06z takes todays maxes down from 32 to 31C. Not sure why, as it’s pretty sunny with just a bit of high cloud and the 850s are similar.

27C at 11am on the latest readings, Arome says 28C by midday so let’s see.
Brockley, South East London 30m asl
Ally Pally Snowman
17 July 2022 10:30:47


06z GFS as discussed.


15z Monday and Tuesday. 




Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Yep weve got used to them but they are truly historic charts. Nothing compares in the TWO era imo. 


 

Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Rob K
17 July 2022 10:37:32

Arome 06z takes todays maxes down from 32 to 31C. Not sure why, as it’s pretty sunny with just a bit of high cloud and the 850s are similar.

27C at 11am on the latest readings, Arome says 28C by midday so let’s see.

Originally Posted by: TimS 


Charlwood was 27.9C at 11am, more than 1C above anywhere else.


I've noticed Charlwood seems to be an early frontrunner on hot days and then falls away in the afternoon.

Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Nick Gilly
17 July 2022 10:43:31


 


It wouldn't matter. We could get to 50C and there would still be those who deny, imagine it's all some kind of a conspiracy or think it's all just natural variations in the climate. What this might do is to convince the 'waverers', those who still have their doubts as to the reality of the situation. The tin-foil hat brigade you can do nothing about and should hopefully become so isolated as to be completely irrelevant.


Originally Posted by: Col 


 


These people have woken up and smelt the covfefe.

TimS
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17 July 2022 10:43:51


 


Charlwood was 27.9C at 11am, more than 1C above anywhere else.


I've noticed Charlwood seems to be an early frontrunner on hot days and then falls away in the afternoon.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Interestingly also 28C at Gloucs airport. That’s usually the opposite: stays hot later in the evening than anywhere else, so I assumed it’s on a west facing slope. 


But upper air is hottest in the SW today so would expect to see some early leadership from the West Country and Wessex stations.

Brockley, South East London 30m asl
Bolty
17 July 2022 10:49:34


 


It wouldn't matter. We could get to 50C and there would still be those who deny, imagine it's all some kind of a conspiracy or think it's all just natural variations in the climate. What this might do is to convince the 'waverers', those who still have their doubts as to the reality of the situation. The tin-foil hat brigade you can do nothing about and should hopefully become so isolated as to be completely irrelevant.


Originally Posted by: Col 


Without turning this into a climate thread...


What difference would it make though? Even if you somehow convinced everyone in the UK and we went completely carbon neutral in 10 years, if China, India, Russia and the US continue blasting out emissions, it's pointless. Not saying we shouldn't try and contribute, but I'm just raising the point that the UK is a drop in the sea metaphorically.


And yes, if a 50°C heat wave in Canada and devastating wildfires in Australia, Portugal and the SW US won't convince them, then nothing will. I don't know why people get all worked up about it, to be honest.

Scott
Blackrod, Lancashire (4 miles south of Chorley) at 156m asl.
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Joe Bloggs
17 July 2022 10:56:31


 


Yep weve got used to them but they are truly historic charts. Nothing compares in the TWO era imo. 


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Absolutely. UKV is very similar too. 



Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL
Brian Gaze
17 July 2022 10:57:03

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Brian Gaze
17 July 2022 10:58:45


 


By Wednesday morning there will be nobody left in doubt. We will have to go through some pain for a few days to achieve it. 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


A complaint made by a number of people is that the colours used on the forecast temperature charts (from various providers) are designed to frighten. Sadly that is now the level of debate in some quarters.   

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Rob K
17 July 2022 11:00:33




Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 Shameless clickbaiting, I like it.


 


Edit - yes Brian re your last post, I have seen the meme shared comparing the previous forecasts with happy looking suns with the modern red temperature field maps. Not really a fair comparison because I remember the TV forecasts 30 years ago showing the orange and red colours for temperatures on occasion too!

Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Retron
17 July 2022 11:05:07


 


A complaint made by a number of people is that the colours used on the forecast temperature charts (from various providers) are designed to frighten. Sadly that is now the level of debate in some quarters.   


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Shame you can't Tweet this back at them - from our own Kevin Bradshaw:



(Taken from a July 1995 forecast. Current forecast graphics are merely an evolution of that with, of course, red shades rather than orange reflecting the higher temperatures.)


EDIT: The old graphics did have red colours, but for above 40C.


Leysdown, north Kent
Col
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17 July 2022 11:05:09


 


Without turning this into a climate thread...


What difference would it make though? Even if you somehow convinced everyone in the UK and we went completely carbon neutral in 10 years, if China, India, Russia and the US continue blasting out emissions, it's pointless. Not saying we shouldn't try and contribute, but I'm just raising the point that the UK is a drop in the sea metaphorically.


And yes, if a 50°C heat wave in Canada and devastating wildfires in Australia, Portugal and the SW US won't convince them, then nothing will. I don't know why people get all worked up about it, to be honest.


Originally Posted by: Bolty 


I know we're not supposed to talk about Climate Change on here but this is a weather forum and weather & climate are inextricably linked, especially at times like these. So basically it's difficult not to mention the 'elephant in the room'.


And you're probably right, we are approaching our very own Canadian heat dome situation here. It may convince some but the never the hard-liners.

Col
Bolton, Lancashire
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Gavin D
17 July 2022 11:08:53

LNER have cancelled all trains between York/Leeds/Lincoln to London Kings Cross on Tuesday due to extreme heat.


 


Services north of York will run.


Rob K
17 July 2022 11:31:51

12 noon highest readings appear to be 28.4C at Santon Downham and Pershore. Lots of other 28C rounded figures across the south and up into the Midlands.


Proper heat is starting to arrive in SW France, 36C+ in Cazaux now.

Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
idot
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17 July 2022 11:44:34


12 noon highest readings appear to be 28.4C at Santon Downham and Pershore. Lots of other 28C rounded figures across the south and up into the Midlands.


Proper heat is starting to arrive in SW France, 36C+ in Cazaux now.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


where can I see these figures? I only have airports via Aeroweather


 


thanks

https://twitter.com/JohnathanSizz 

 
Rob K
17 July 2022 11:45:51


 


 


where can I see these figures? I only have airports via Aeroweather


 


thanks


Originally Posted by: idot 


https://weatherobs.com/ gives a good graphical overview. Includes some unofficial stations too I think.

Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Gavin D
17 July 2022 11:50:19

BBC showing rain pushing into the west on Tuesday, fresher here as a result, whilst the eastern side holds onto the heat


westv
17 July 2022 11:53:11


 


https://weatherobs.com/ gives a good graphical overview. Includes some unofficial stations too I think.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Thanks for that. Saved to favourites.

At least it will be mild!
DEW
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17 July 2022 11:55:35




Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


"Let a man walk ten miles steadily on a hot summer's day along a dusty English road, and he will soon discover why beer was invented."


G.K Chesterton

War does not determine who is right, only who is left - Bertrand Russell

Chichester 12m asl
johncs2016
17 July 2022 11:56:00

I've just seen that the Met Office amber warning for Monday and Tuesday has now been extended across Edinburgh to as far north as the cities of Perth and Dundee, and passes just to the east of Stirlng and Glasgow which both remain outside that area for now.


Nevertheless, this means that I will now be instead that area even here in Edinburgh which wasn't the case beforehand.


 

The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
Essan
17 July 2022 11:58:01


Interestingly also 28C at Gloucs airport. That’s usually the opposite: stays hot later in the evening than anywhere else, so I assumed it’s on a west facing slope. 


But upper air is hottest in the SW today so would expect to see some early leadership from the West Country and Wessex stations.


Originally Posted by: TimS 



Although on hot days, Staverton (can't get used to these new fangled rebranded names  )  does tend to lead the way in this part of the country.   

Andy
Evesham, Worcs, Albion - 35m asl
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idot
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17 July 2022 12:00:17


 


https://weatherobs.com/ gives a good graphical overview. Includes some unofficial stations too I think.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


thank you Rob - 

https://twitter.com/JohnathanSizz 

 
Essan
17 July 2022 12:00:26


 


Shame you can't Tweet this back at them - from our own Kevin Bradshaw:



(Taken from a July 1995 forecast. Current forecast graphics are merely an evolution of that with, of course, red shades rather than orange reflecting the higher temperatures.)


EDIT: The old graphics did have red colours, but for above 40C.



Originally Posted by: Retron 



Ah, but that proves it!  They now have red for perfectly normal summer temps ..... 

Andy
Evesham, Worcs, Albion - 35m asl
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