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fairweather
10 August 2022 23:29:27


 


Yep, all about to go bang I think with a 1976-esque deluge to end the drought,  just in time for my holiday! ๐Ÿ˜ก


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


As I recall '76 started to end  with drizzly, damp and cool weather. (I could be wrong here though) We had our first holiday of the year around the end of August start of September. It was wet and miserable and continued for a long time after.


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moomin75
11 August 2022 05:30:53

GFS 0Z is a proper deluge after Monday. Some absolutely horrendous rainfall totals over the next 2 weeks, which perfectly coincides with my holidays.
I am always guaranteed to end a drought.


 


EDIT: Thankfully, ECM is a lot less bad.


Yes we need the rain, but not in the deluge that GFS is showing as it will just run off hard baked ground and cause massive flash flooding.


Slow steady rainfall would be far more welcome.


Witney, Oxfordshire
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DEW
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11 August 2022 07:17:45

WX summary charts show the weather for Europe being dragged kicking and screaming towards a breakdown. For week 1 the high temperatures continue south of a line from N England to the Baltic but in week 2 the heat has retreated 300/400 miles S, with the new line from S France to S Poland, and an ominous advance of something quite cold from the E across Finland. There's patchy rain in various places incl C England and Wales week 1, but in week 2 there's an enormous wodge (new technical term) of heavy rain centred over the British Isles, with some minor extensions to E & W.


FAX shows a shallow LP moving from Brittany early Sunday to Wales mid-Monday with (thundery?) troughs circulating around it


GFS Op has the same evolution; and then as this LP moves off E-wards, it's replaced by a larger and deepening Atlantic LP, to the NW on Fri 19th but by Mon 22nd 985mb Irish Sea. Then a day or two of W-lies before another LP, this time from the SW running up the W coast of Britain 995mb NI Fri 26th, then moving further N but stlll extending a broad trough S to the Channel.


GEFS - in the S, mean temps decrease from a peak ca 7C above norm Sun 14th to norm Wed 17th and then stay there with good ens agreement. Much more rain than previously forecast, esp around Wed 17th (more but not exclusively SE) and Mon 22nd (more SW). In N England and in Scotland, mean temp even a little below norm, and the further N you go, the more spread out is the rain over time. 


ECM differs from GFS about the Atlantic LP which is shown running well N of Scotland from Fri 19th and by Mon 22nd is 995mb S Norway, so light W-lies at that period and less disturbed weather


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Chichester 12m asl
Rob K
11 August 2022 08:11:18
GFS really picking up momentum for a properly wet and windy week next week now. Great ๐Ÿ˜Œ
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Carola
11 August 2022 10:38:44


but in week 2 there's an enormous wodge (new technical term) of heavy rain centred over the British Isles, with some minor extensions to E & W.


Originally Posted by: DEW 


Speaking as a gardener and vegetable grower, an enormous wodge of heavy rain would be quite welcome!

moomin75
11 August 2022 10:56:38


 


Speaking as a gardener and vegetable grower, an enormous wodge of heavy rain would be quite welcome!


Originally Posted by: Carola 

Looks like you will get your wish and then some. Autumn arrives next week and sticks with us according to GFS, which has resolutely stuck to its unsettled guns.


Witney, Oxfordshire
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Rob K
11 August 2022 11:15:44

Yes I think the next fortnight might erase any perceptions of this summer from the general public's minds. Regardless of hot spells, if August is a washout that is what sticks in people's minds, and the second half of the month looks pretty abysmal on today's evidence.


 


The only bright spot is that based on this chart at least, I might be going to the right place. Just 3mm in Guernsey!



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doctormog
11 August 2022 11:19:02
Thatโ€™s hardly a washout.
Rob K
11 August 2022 11:20:03

That’s hardly a washout.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


That's only the first 10 days though, the first half of which are likely to be bone dry. The trough then sits right over the UK for another week!


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warrenb
11 August 2022 11:21:20

That’s hardly a washout.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Indeed, and it is one model that happens to drop the trough right on top of us. ECM is a lot dryer and warmer.


Edit: for the south


doctormog
11 August 2022 11:22:55


 


That's only the first 10 days though. The trough then sits right over the UK for another week!


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


That is a lifetime away in NWP terms with several days of hot weather coming up before any kind of change to more unsettled conditions. A lot could change in FI (for better or worse!)


moomin75
11 August 2022 11:38:45

That’s hardly a washout.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


It's not far off a washout, given, as Rob says, this is only the first 10 days and there is then a semi stationary trough parked slap bang over the UK for the rest of the month.


IF, and its a big IF, GFS is near the mark, the second half of August will be a write-off for most.


That isn't a prediction by the way, just a view based on the last 4 or 5 GFS runs which have been resolutely unsettled.


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mulattokid
11 August 2022 11:49:14


 


 


Hmm.. I probably shouldn't be posting here, as this forum is for the weather science and model outputs and not for some of the wet lettuce brigade such as myself  I'll make no more comments!


Originally Posted by: Osprey 


Oh don't say that.  There is so much to learn here.  


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doctormog
11 August 2022 11:52:45


 


It's not far off a washout, given, as Rob says, this is only the first 10 days and there is then a semi stationary trough parked slap bang over the UK for the rest of the month.


IF, and its a big IF, GFS is near the mark, the second half of August will be a write-off for most.


That isn't a prediction by the way, just a view based on the last 4 or 5 GFS runs which have been resolutely unsettled.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


We all know how well such long term sections of the GFS model can turn out to be.


Sevendust
11 August 2022 12:00:07


We all know how well such long term sections of the GFS model can turn out to be.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


It's not a washout. No sign of steady rain just more risk of convective activity which will deliver variable rainfall

doctormog
11 August 2022 12:01:56


 


It's not a washout. No sign of steady rain just more risk of convective activity which will deliver variable rainfall


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Indeed, that is also an important point. Some places (with the exception of Witney, N Norfolk and Chester) may miss most of it. 


TimS
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11 August 2022 12:04:00
GFS op remains well below ensemble mean pressure, but the mean has fallen from where it was. Now up to around 1013-1015hPa by the 22nd. Only a couple of days ago we were looking at high pressure back in charge by next weekend and temperatures back nudging 30C.
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TimS
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11 August 2022 12:54:28
ENS mean is up to 1020hPa by the end of the 06z runs. Leaving aside the low pressure op which is a huge unsettled outlier, the spread at 384 hrs is from 1012 to 1033 (op is 1006).
Brockley, South East London 30m asl
bledur
11 August 2022 13:02:37


 


That's only the first 10 days though, the first half of which are likely to be bone dry. The trough then sits right over the UK for another week!


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 Rainfall modelling has some way to catch up with temp modelling which has become pretty accurate recently. It is going to change next week with showers breaking out and possibly more organized rain at the end of the week.

moomin75
11 August 2022 13:04:49

ENS mean is up to 1020hPa by the end of the 06z runs. Leaving aside the low pressure op which is a huge unsettled outlier, the spread at 384 hrs is from 1012 to 1033 (op is 1006).

Originally Posted by: TimS 


It doesn't look like an outlier in any way to me. Very representative of the mean.


I feel we need to accept that the end is nigh on this unbelievable spell of weather. 


Mother Nature is about to start making up the rainfall deficit (as she always does).


Witney, Oxfordshire
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bledur
11 August 2022 13:08:11


 


It doesn't look like an outlier in any way to me. Very representative of the mean.


I feel we need to accept that the end is nigh on this unbelievable spell of weather. 


Mother Nature is about to start making up the rainfall deficit (as she always does).


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


 I hope you are right as it is looking like a dessert out there now

doctormog
11 August 2022 13:12:30


 


It doesn't look like an outlier in any way to me. Very representative of the mean.


I feel we need to accept that the end is nigh on this unbelievable spell of weather. 


Mother Nature is about to start making up the rainfall deficit (as she always does).


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


 


At +384 hr (which is the time point to which Tim is referring) the pressure on the op run is the lowest in the entire set.


DEW
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11 August 2022 13:13:32


 


 I hope you are right as it is looking like a dessert out there now


Originally Posted by: bledur 


Sand pudding rather than mud pie?


https://www.food.com/recipe/sand-pudding-recipe-516491


https://tasty.co/recipe/mississippi-mud-pie 


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Chichester 12m asl
Osprey
11 August 2022 13:30:23

Wonder if we'll get wet weather when the kids go back?


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