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Brian Gaze
14 January 2023 17:58:09
UKV now a lot closer to GFS tomorrow night.

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idj20
14 January 2023 18:18:34

Big snow event for parts of EA and SE on the the GFS 12z for Monday morning. 

https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/royaume-uni/precipitations/45h.htm 
 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



Which of course will all be cold rain here at my south Kent coastal location as often the case with these borderline sloppy seconds marginal set ups, but I've noticed only the GFS seems to be the most bullish with precipitation amounts (be it of rain or snow) pretty much over the SE while all the other models are showing it just skimming over the south of Kent, some missing it by a hair's breadth.
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tallyho_83
14 January 2023 18:31:06
12z ENS shows an impressive snow spike for London Monday 16th:
Wasn't on any model charts yesterday!).

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Zubzero
14 January 2023 19:05:21
Seems we're back to square one after this coldish blip.
https://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?x=313&y=94&run=12&runpara=0&type=3&ext=1  

Though thankfully it is more settled overall compared to recently.
doctormog
14 January 2023 19:10:50

Seems we're back to square one after this coldish blip.
https://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?x=313&y=94&run=12&runpara=0&type=3&ext=1  

Though thankfully it is more settled overall compared to recently.

Originally Posted by: Zubzero 


I think this chart tells a more important story: https://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?x=313&y=94&run=12&runpara=0&type=1&ext=1  
Zubzero
14 January 2023 19:54:29

I think this chart tells a more important story: https://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?x=313&y=94&run=12&runpara=0&type=1&ext=1  

Originally Posted by: doctormog 



 Yep It's about 50/50 atm, that after this cold spell high pressure will build over the UK or it will be more of a flat pattern with the high sinking. 
will have a better idea soon hopefully. Getting tired of this wind and rain.

https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=3&ech=324&mode=0&carte=0&ext=0  flat 

https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=11&ech=288&mode=0&carte=0&ext=0  easterly 

https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=9&ech=360&mode=0&carte=0&ext=0  uk high

Be interesting to see how it evolves.
Zubzero
14 January 2023 20:21:47
Hippydave
14 January 2023 20:57:11
Quite a cold/chilly set of ECM ens IMBY tonight -> 2-4c from Monday to the end of the op run and a decent cluster of members keeping at chilly at the surface (5c or under) until 26th Jan, before more scatter appears. For balance there's a fair few milder members, just not as strongly clustered.

https://weather.us/forecast/2639022-royal-tunbridge-wells/ensemble/euro 


Be interesting to have a look at tomorrows runs re possible snow in the far south east Monday - currently Arome has precip of some description for Kent/Sussex, Arpege fringes some rain in to the coastal south east, GFS has snow and so does UKV. GEM doesn't and ECM doesn't either with rain just clipping the coast again but mainly out in the channel and in Northern France. It's looking a little bit 'nowcasty'!

Away from MBY and just using UKV theres snow for parts of Scotland for the next several days, snow for parts of Northern England, Wales and even parts of the South West, albeit all from showers so amounts would vary and no guarantee of any settling/accumulating away from the hills I'd imagine. The pattern is one which favours Northern and Western coastal areas so may be a relatively dry week for other areas - given wind direction it should be fairly sunny I'd imagine, which will make a pleasant change from recent weeks. All supposing no features crop up at short notice of course, which the December cold spell shows does happen. 
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squish
14 January 2023 21:25:45
interesting 'slider' low at +120 on the 18z ICON

https://modeles12.meteociel.fr/modeles/icon/run/iconnh-0-120.png?18 

I think there is plenty of scope for things to crop up at short notice over the next 5/6 days. As long as the rain stops!  It's been quite horrendous in this area.

 
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Chiltern Blizzard
14 January 2023 23:39:31
18z GFS looks very interesting at just t+39 with heavy snow for much of the south-eastern corner…. However, temperatures and dewpoints point to this being a wet damp slushfest - the worst of all weathers - which is why I’m guessing there is such little interest. 
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Zubzero
15 January 2023 00:27:38

18z GFS looks very interesting at just t+39 with heavy snow for much of the south-eastern corner…. However, temperatures and dewpoints point to this being a wet damp slushfest - the worst of all weathers - which is why I’m guessing there is such little interest. 

Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 



Yes the HD zoomed in version implys it's mostly rain/sleet with id guess wet snow in any heavier bursts,and temporary accumulations over high ground more likely.

https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/precipitations-hd/39h.htm 
 
tallyho_83
15 January 2023 00:35:38
18z ENS still showing an impressive snow spike on Monday 16th in London - a mean of around 2cms:
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tallyho_83
15 January 2023 02:35:04
18Z TEMPS @ 10hpa Perturbation No 28 JFF: 🤪

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roadrunnerajn
15 January 2023 07:37:30
As was said a couple of days ago. The north midlands look like they will see some snow during the overnight period Sunday into Monday. Areas above 150m most favoured. This morning webcams for the Cat and fiddle (1,675ft) and the A515 Ashbourne to Buxton route (980ft-1350ft) both have falling snow. I would expect this stalled front to give more snow than the low passing through the SE. However that said, if the precipitation is heavy enough and with some elevation sticking wet snow is a high possibility.
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Tim A
15 January 2023 08:07:34
https://modeles16.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2023011500/nmmuk-42-28-0.png?15-05 

Different models have tonight's feature in slightly different places, NMM is best for here, somewhere might get lucky.
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15 January 2023 08:32:31
The immediate interest lies with a stalled front across N England and a Channel low running E-wards tonight, both nicely shown on FAX, the low at 985mb. Neither, however, look as if enough cold air has been drawn S-wards for more than wet snow on top of hills - but it's marginal and could still provide a useful fall. More chance perhaps of snow for the S with another small low in the Channel 982mb Tue, also shown on FAX, with cold air having had longer to trickle S. FAX also shows a sudden abrupt flip from N-lies to W-lies on Thu.

Longer term, WX temps shows W Europe seasonally cold for week 1 and colder still away from Atlantic coasts and the Baltic in week 2. Further east it's still colder but nothing unusual, maybe even less cold than usual for that area. Pptn widespread across W Europe week 1, probably much of it snow, but very dry in week 2 with rain banished to either Britain & Norway, and the Med. 

GFS Op echoes FAX, and goes on to show HP developing from the SW; by Sun 22nd SW-lies for Britain on one side and a cold pool over C Europe, later Italy on the other. The HP wobbles around a bit but is well established 1045mb Tue 31st.

ECM much the same as GFS

GEFS temps cold to Fri 20th then quickly back to norm with good agreement in ens members; mean then stays near norm with most members on the milder side, the average being dragged down by a collection of a few much colder runs. Spikes on the rainfall chart for the s Mon 16th and in the N Wed 18th else bits and pieces, perhaps more in the W later on
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nsrobins
15 January 2023 09:27:51
There are several chances of snowfall in the next four days but the marginality has been well modelled. Favoured areas under even more favourable conditions may see an accumulation (N Midlands Sun eve, Dartmoor early Mon for example) but for many it’ll be a cold rain or sleety mix at best. I am not at all surprised - as I say the modelled parameters have been in the main the wrong side of the line. And for interest the ppn type charts, especially GFS HD, tend to switch from rain to snow on a very fine line and I don’t take much notice TBH.
Longer term and the NWP continues to play with raising heights to the NE but time will tell. Tick tock and all that.  
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nsrobins
15 January 2023 09:44:03
There is a lot of guff and bluster posted on lesser forums and FB pages about a looming SSW. There is no SSW currently being forecast by any of the models that publish relevant data.
The latest GfS run gets the zonal mean component at 60N 10hPa down to +16 later on but not a reversal, one if the prerequisites for a SSW.
http://www.weatheriscool.com/prod/ztemp_multilevels.html 
As dramatic as the 10hPa charts have been, a warming at 10hPa does not necessarily mean or lead to an SSW. 
Pinning hopes for Feb on this is ill-conceived, ac it stands currently. 
 
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UncleAlbert
15 January 2023 09:48:19
So, from current output it looks like after the up and coming 'cold' snap, significant cold not likely before the end of January.  Not necessarily mild though and still lots of options on the positioning, orientation of high pressure, so there could still be some frosty nights in the mix.  

Incidentally, we had  thunder during the night here in North Somerset.  Second time in a week.  I can only remember any single occurrence of this in January a couple of times since the 1950s.
doctormog
15 January 2023 09:56:44
Yes the chilly unsettled spell this week looks almost certain with a risk of wintry precipitation in some parts. Compared with December the extent of any wintry risk is significantly lower (but still there especially in W/NWern parts). Beyond then things look like settling down to something much more anticyclonic.
Rob K
15 January 2023 10:44:12

Yes the chilly unsettled spell this week looks almost certain with a risk of wintry precipitation in some parts. Compared with December the extent of any wintry risk is significantly lower (but still there especially in W/NWern parts). Beyond then things look like settling down to something much more anticyclonic.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Anticyclonic would be very welcome. Made a refreshing change having the sun streaming through the windows while having breakfast thus morning (although a lot of cloud has already bubbled up).
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Brian Gaze
15 January 2023 12:03:56
GEFS35 suggests zonal winds at 60 north will strengthen again through the first third of February. To me it looks like fairly run of the mill stuff for this stage of the winter.


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Phil24
15 January 2023 12:25:55

There is a lot of guff and bluster posted on lesser forums and FB pages about a looming SSW. There is no SSW currently being forecast by any of the models that publish relevant data.
The latest GfS run gets the zonal mean component at 60N 10hPa down to +16 later on but not a reversal, one if the prerequisites for a SSW.
http://www.weatheriscool.com/prod/ztemp_multilevels.html 
As dramatic as the 10hPa charts have been, a warming at 10hPa does not necessarily mean or lead to an SSW. 
Pinning hopes for Feb on this is ill-conceived, ac it stands currently. 
 

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Maybe they are confusing a Minor SSW with a full SSW with a reversal. It has been discussed for some time now within the AER briefings by Judah Coen as a very probable Minor SSW event towards the end of the month.  
tallyho_83
15 January 2023 12:45:15

Maybe they are confusing a Minor SSW with a full SSW with a reversal. It has been discussed for some time now within the AER briefings by Judah Coen as a very probable Minor SSW event towards the end of the month.  

Originally Posted by: Phil24 



06z: - Some of these runs do split the PV others go for a majour SSW and a few go for a minor SSW - either way all show a warming of the stratosphere at 10hpa!
https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?ech=192&mode=7&carte=1&code=0&ext=0 
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UncleAlbert
15 January 2023 14:11:57
MOGREPS now looking very mild going through next weekend.
https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/mogreps/mogreps850london.png 

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