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Saint Snow
28 April 2023 14:36:02

Just looking at the sunshine figures for around here as well. March and April total could be the lowest since 2001. Could be close to 2018 though so at least the least sunny for 5 years and possibly end up for over 20 years but almost certainly in the the least two sunny total combined for March and April since 1970 !!

Originally Posted by: fairweather 




2018 summer was fantastic. I think everywhere got a decent crack at it, with the winds predominantly from the east May/June then switching S'ly/SW'ly later in July & into August.

I remember June being day after day of cloudless blue sky and nice temps (not too hot)

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fairweather
28 April 2023 16:15:52

Just looking at the sunshine figures for around here as well. March and April total could be the lowest since 2001. Could be close to 2018 though so at least the least sunny for 5 years and possibly end up for over 20 years but almost certainly in the the least two sunny total combined for March and April since 1970 !!

Originally Posted by: fairweather 


That did the trick - sun finally appeared late afternoon and temperature up to warmest of the year at 18.9C
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Bolty
28 April 2023 16:18:50

That did the trick - sun finally appeared late afternoon and temperature up to warmest of the year at 18.9C

Originally Posted by: fairweather 



Similar here, just not as warm. It's been cloudy most of the day but it's brightened up in the last hour and risen the temperature from 11.4°C to 13.2°C. Better late than never, I suppose.
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richardabdn
28 April 2023 16:28:53
Worst week I can ever recall in late April as this catastrophically bad spring just gets even more rank and disgusting. Even the putrid end of April 2014 managed one glorious day on the 28th.

The first half was horrific with temperatures at winter levels with feeble showers of rain, hail and even snow. The second half has been a league below that. Completely sunless since Wednesday afternoon with vile slate grey skies and near constant drizzle that has amounted to very little. Unspeakably bad and as far from springlike as it's possible to get 🤬🤬

After this completely foul and unusable week you would think the weekend could only get better but no another horror on the way with ridiculous winter temperatures and excrutiating grey skies. As if that wasn't draining and demoralising enough the torture looks set to continue with an utterly crap first week of May that looks like taking inspiration from 1983 🤮🤮🤮

Really it's plumbing depths that even summers 2007 and 2012 didn't sink to at this stage with weekend after weekend of cold sunless rubbish . One passable Saturday and no acceptable Sundays the entirety of March and April. Not even a part of the day that's okay. Grey and cold poison all day long every single weekend like nothing I've ever known in my life.

Spring 1993 was the worst spring I can remember and it was like heaven compared to this unusable mind-numbing write-off. Orkney has been warmer and sunnier than here. That's how ridiculous it is 😒

The year without a spring. Just a continuation of winter temperatures but with less sunshine 🤢
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ozone_aurora
28 April 2023 17:11:42

Extremely concerning those temperatures failed to go over 16C and only 7 weeks left to the longest day.  Very tired of wearing winter clothing near May.  The SSW had severely destroyed 2 out of 3 month of normal Spring climatology average.  In Spring you expect occasion warm spells to be included as it heading to summer season, all had failed.  Mostly cold to average days.   Average March warmest day 18C, 23C in April and 28C in May.  First 2 failed so far and what May have in store?  February was the best month for this year, warmer indoor temps, milder days, lot of sunshine and much welcome less rainfall.

Originally Posted by: Jiries 


I'd be interested to read more about this 2023 SSW event, in which the UK has never really recovered from so far this Spring. Do you/anyone have any links to articles on this, please?
doctormog
28 April 2023 17:31:23
Nice Bank Holiday weather tomorrow with a forecast high of 7°C. Getting a bit silly now.
Chunky Pea
28 April 2023 17:48:09
In contrast, got up to 17/18c here in Galway today. Nothing that unusual for late April, but what is unusual (for the time of year) is the high humidity and Dps  that came with it. 
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Retron
28 April 2023 17:57:39

In contrast, got up to 17/18c here in Galway today. Nothing that unusual for late April, but what is unusual (for the time of year) is the high humidity and Dps  that came with it. 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


Yup, same here - 17.9C was the high, and the dewpoint has been in double figures all day long.

Felt more like a cool July day than a late April one!
Leysdown, north Kent
Jiries
28 April 2023 17:58:30

I'd be interested to read more about this 2023 SSW event, in which the UK has never really recovered from so far this Spring. Do you/anyone have any links to articles on this, please?

Originally Posted by: ozone_aurora 



SSW is a nasty piece of weather work that we should not hope for in 2024.  SSW in 2018 ended in April as it switched to hot summer runs non stop.  2019 and 2020 was not much affected but 2021 was the worst one as it took to last week of May so hope not a repeat this year.  SSW can get lost and dont come back again , do it In late November.
tallyho_83
28 April 2023 23:32:20
Thursday 27th was dreadful!

+9 to +10c with heavy rain all day and felt like January, so had to turn heating on.

Rained all day until 6 or 7pm before drizzle.

At least milder and more spring like today (Friday) maxed at 16 or 17c with bright spells

 
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richardabdn
29 April 2023 12:32:02
Yet another day of poisonous soul-destroying 💩

The 6th completely sunless day of this godforsaken disaster of an April which equals 2012. I wonder if tomorrow can make it 7 and equal 2014.

Never recorded more than three consuectutive fully sunless days before between April and August, not even in 2007 and 2012 so that'll be another new low reached if it happens which looks likely as this vile permacast is just sitting there refusing to budge while there is acres of clear skies to the north that the Orkneys are sitting in once again while we endure their fetid climate 👺

Also looks certain to join 2012, 2016 and 2017 as the ludicrous 4th April in just 12 years to have a final week with a mean max below 9C when the average is 12C. That is the same number as there were in the previous 50 years which speaks volumes about the horrific month of relentless nasty chilly easterly nothingness April is becoming. Devoid of warmth, devoid of convection, devoid of variety and interest. Just the same relentless grey year after year interspersed with a block of stupidly clear days, to give the illusion of average sunshine, like nothing we ever used to get before.

No chance of even reaching 15C this month so an unprecedented third April on the trot to fail to hit 16C. It's beyond dreadful. This is what the average April extreme maximum by decade now looks like for Dyce:

1950s: 17.0
1960s: 17.7
1970s: 16.2
1980s: 17.6
1990s: 18.3
2000s: 17.2
2010s: 17.6
2020s: 15.4 🤢😲

Absolute filth. There really was more genuine warmth around in the 60s. The only reason the means were lower is because when you got a cold max it would be accompanied by a frost and not the mild nights that even well below average days now come with now😴

1970, 1978, 1983 and 1985 were the only years between 1961 and 2011 to have a final week of April this cold. I'll put money on none of those years seeing 18-20C in the south of England at the same time. It will have been below average there as well because this insufferable crap of there being a greater gradient between there and here than you would expect between here and the south of France is purely a 21st Century phenomenon. Yet any time I go there I get weather akin to the Falklands 🤢😡
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Jiries
29 April 2023 16:50:35

Thursday 27th was dreadful!

+9 to +10c with heavy rain all day and felt like January, so had to turn heating on.

Rained all day until 6 or 7pm before drizzle.

At least milder and more spring like today (Friday) maxed at 16 or 17c with bright spells

 

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 



Nasty SSW did that for your area yesterday.   SSW had already destroyed 2 out of 3 Spring month and can't see any end of it.  Many posters in NW wanted the SSW but not realising is a Spring killer.

Once again Cyprus is the place to be this month, very active weather from warm to hot, then sudden cold weather with snow in Troodos, hail storms in the west and lot of rain and thunder, then got hot again to 34.5C in Nicosia follow by sharp drop and again snow and hail cover in Troodos yesterday with water spouts in coastal area..  That what I call it weather, UK had no weather at all.
Bolty
30 April 2023 16:25:57
Days like this are so frustrating! The showers/rain over North West England merged together to ruin most of the morning and afternoon here, only to start clearing now. It's bad enough when the day is ruined, but for the sun to come out around tea time or later just adds insult to injury.
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Jiries
01 May 2023 17:27:52

Days like this are so frustrating! The showers/rain over North West England merged together to ruin most of the morning and afternoon here, only to start clearing now. It's bad enough when the day is ruined, but for the sun to come out around tea time or later just adds insult to injury.

Originally Posted by: Bolty 



No sign of any warm weather of 20C or over as it still cold and dull this weekend.  April just gone and was a very cold, dull and wet month and well below average.
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01 May 2023 21:47:22

No sign of any warm weather of 20C or over as it still cold and dull this weekend.  April just gone and was a very cold, dull and wet month and well below average.

Originally Posted by: Jiries 



Er ... take a look at figures from Gavin D in https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twocommunity/Posts/t23581-April-UK-temperature-analysis-and-discussion  and you will see that April was spot on average.
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johncs2016
02 May 2023 05:56:02

Er ... take a look at figures from Gavin D in https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twocommunity/Posts/t23581-April-UK-temperature-analysis-and-discussion  and you will see that April was spot on average.

Originally Posted by: DEW 



It's possible though, that Jiries might have just been talking about the temperature in his own neck of the wood being well below average (although he should really specify that is that is the case if indeed, that has actually been the case).

It is true that the April Mean CET was spot on average but even if that is also the case with the overall UK temperature average for April, this doesn't necessarily mean that this is actually the case throughout the whole of the UK.

Indeed, there are always going to be a number of outliers within that with some places experiencing well below average temperatures during April whilst others have well above temperatures during that same month.

Here in Edinburgh, we had a slightly colder than average month due to our almost constant exposure to those winds coming in from off the North Sea.

On the other hand, the far NW of Scotland actually had more sunshine and temperatures even reaching around 21°C at one point due to those location being well sheltered from those winds from off the North Sea, and the resulting Foehn Effect. As a result, those areas are probably likely to have been warmer than average overall during that same month and when you balance all of that out, you end up with what is actually an average month for Scotland as a whole, as has been the case for the UK as a whole and also, the CET region.

Of course, NW Scotland is well away from the CET region, but there have probably been some parts of the CET region which have also been warmer than average during April (those areas being most likely to be around the more sheltered west coast of England) as well as a number of other areas which will have been colder than average overall during that same month.
 
The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
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02 May 2023 07:53:53

Er ... take a look at figures from Gavin D in https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twocommunity/Posts/t23581-April-UK-temperature-analysis-and-discussion  and you will see that April was spot on average.

Originally Posted by: DEW 



It also depends which period you take as average. It was almost spot on the 1981-2010 average but below the 1991-2020 average which is probably more relevant for 2023. I do agree though that for neither of these time periods was this April 'well below average' .  
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DEW
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02 May 2023 07:58:20

It's possible though, that Jiries might have just been talking about the temperature in his own neck of the wood being well below average (although he should really specify that is that is the case if indeed, that has actually been the case).

 

Originally Posted by: johncs2016 



Jiries, along with richardabdn and moomin are 'neck of the woods' specialists. 

But did you see, John, the BBC weather presenters with rainfall figures for Spring? IIRC 230% of average for SE England and 46% of average for SE Scotland. Now there's cause for a moan at both ends of the country (If I can call Edinburgh an 'end' - I know there's still a lot of Scotland further north)
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johncs2016
02 May 2023 08:50:55

Jiries, along with richardabdn and moomin are 'neck of the woods' specialists. 

But did you see, John, the BBC weather presenters with rainfall figures for Spring? IIRC 230% of average for SE England and 46% of average for SE Scotland. Now there's cause for a moan at both ends of the country (If I can call Edinburgh an 'end' - I know there's still a lot of Scotland further north)

Originally Posted by: DEW 



That situation in SE Scotland as regards to rainfall which you have just mentioned, is something which I have been pointing out for some time now, especially on the precipitation threads.

This is happening because the wet weather either keeps on going too far north for us to really get it here (in that scenario, the wet weather becomes more confined to the north and west of Scotland which was what happened back in February) or goes too far south for us to really get it here (this then results in England and Wales getting most of that rainfall which is what has been happening more recently).

In both of those scenarios, SE Scotland nearly always misses out on that rainfall and of course, we need to be getting that rainfall here just as much as what everywhere else in the country does.

This is something which has been going on for the last year or so now, and I am sick to the back teeth of always recording rainfall totals for here which are constantly either at or below our long term average. Because this has been going being going on for so long now, water shortages are clearly inevitable here during the coming summer (groundwater levels even as long ago as February were already exceptionally low in SE Scotland according to SEPA's last report on that). That was emphasized quite a lot during last summer and this situation is going to even worse last year as a result of this year's rainfall deficit coming on top of that deficit for last year which never even came close to being properly made up.

The big issue which I have is the fact that temperature and rainfall data is often far too over-generalised on this forum so that whenever temperatures are shown to be average overall across the whole country or whenever rainfall is above average across the whole country, there of often too much of an assumption made here that this is actually the case throughout the country, when this is clearly not the case as all as shown by the comparison in the rainfall totals between SE Scotland, and over the UK as a whole.

With any trend regardless of whenever we are dealing with average rainfall or temperatures or above or below average rainfall temperatures, there are always going to be deviations from that across the country and yet, I just don't believe that these deviations get pointed out often enough on this forum which then all too often, results in them being ignored altogether as though they weren't actually happening.
 
The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
MRazzell
02 May 2023 09:02:56

Er ... take a look at figures from Gavin D in https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twocommunity/Posts/t23581-April-UK-temperature-analysis-and-discussion  and you will see that April was spot on average.

Originally Posted by: DEW 



Dew, i'm assuming this is spot on average across 720 hours?

It didn't get particularly cold here in E-Sussex last month (perhaps 1 frost here), nor did it get particularly warm.

I wonder if the point that's trying to be made is its the higher night-time temperatures that pushed the average up despite the dull and cool daytime temperatures.
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Jiries
02 May 2023 14:18:30

Er ... take a look at figures from Gavin D in https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twocommunity/Posts/t23581-April-UK-temperature-analysis-and-discussion  and you will see that April was spot on average.

Originally Posted by: DEW 



Sorry I don't read or believe those CET lairs, in my book it was cold month without a single warm spell.  Dull and very wet sum up.  If was on average, then I would had already gotten a warm spell up to normal April max average of 23C.  16C was the highest so that 1C above average and mostly on the cold side 10-12C including my trips to SE weekly with full winter jacket every time.  Don't care about false night temps more care about daytime being important factor when we awake. 

Another cold day today and dull no sun after the clearance over night.  Clouds are nasty and they have their own agenda and track the times when sun come up and set to ensure it cloudy.  Bolty posted how frustrating it is when sun come out at sunset.
Chunky Pea
02 May 2023 16:34:04

Sorry I don't read or believe those CET lairs, in my book it was cold month without a single warm spell.  Dull and very wet sum up.  If was on average, then I would had already gotten a warm spell up to normal April max average of 23C.  16C was the highest so that 1C above average and mostly on the cold side 10-12C including my trips to SE weekly with full winter jacket every time.  Don't care about false night temps more care about daytime being important factor when we awake. 

Another cold day today and dull no sun after the clearance over night.  Clouds are nasty and they have their own agenda and track the times when sun come up and set to ensure it cloudy.  Bolty posted how frustrating it is when sun come out at sunset.

Originally Posted by: Jiries 

 I suppose the 'feel' of temperature is a very subjective thing. Daytime Temps of between 13c & 16/17c are near perfect for me. Anything above that and I panic. But what is warm to me is considered very cool to cold to others. 

I think most country stats in the N. hemisphere show that it is the night time minima that is rising somewhat faster than daytime maxima over longer timescales, which I theorise is down to the increased humidity in the atmosphere owing to the very warm ocean temps as compared to those even 20 years ago. 
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Jiries
02 May 2023 17:01:51

I suppose the 'feel' of temperature is a very subjective thing. Daytime Temps of between 13c & 16/17c are near perfect for me. Anything above that and I panic. But what is warm to me is considered very cool to cold to others. 

I think most country stats in the N. hemisphere show that it is the night time minima that is rising somewhat faster than daytime maxima over longer timescales, which I theorise is down to the increased humidity in the atmosphere owing to the very warm ocean temps as compared to those even 20 years ago. 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 



I hear a lot of reports from the people I know and my wife's colleague said this Spring is the worst one they experience.  2021 was bad but because of April being very sunny month and March had a warm spell at the end didn't make a bad full 3 month Spring until May came.  My work collogue who live in Slough had not able to do the garden yet this year due to this bad cold Spring.

Spring was much better before we had diurnal temperatures  very often in between settled spell and many sunny day.  I Had temps once recorded as low as -5C to 22C and 2C to 29C in May once in the 90's,    Used to wear light jacket on cold mornings to shorts few hours in the warm sunny afternoons.  That what Spring should be about, warming phrasing not other way around colder phrases.  This week was dirty cloudy HP and need to go soon, not seen the real sun and warmth same time since zonality left at end of Feb.  SSW had destroyed it and it seem to continue to destroy the last month of Spring in May from the latest output no warm sunny days yet.    
moomin75
03 May 2023 10:56:16
It's been an absolutely horrendous spring here. So wet, that our cricket ground will not be fit for play for at least 2 to 3 weeks, and that's if the weather starts to dry out.


But looking at the models, it's looking like May is going the same way as March and April, wet and cool.


An absolute shocker, and I think the summer pattern is set in stone now and I am fully anticipating a 2007/2012 type wash-out.
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Saint Snow
03 May 2023 11:42:27

It's been an absolutely horrendous spring here. So wet, that our cricket ground will not be fit for play for at least 2 to 3 weeks, and that's if the weather starts to dry out.


But looking at the models, it's looking like May is going the same way as March and April, wet and cool.


An absolute shocker, and I think the summer pattern is set in stone now and I am fully anticipating a 2007/2012 type wash-out.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 




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