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Crepuscular Ray
19 July 2024 20:42:34
This house rarely gets above 20 C downstairs and 22 C upstairs. We just don't get prolonged sunshine or heat.
Always great for sleeping. 
When I lived in Nottingham, summer nights in the hot 1990's were unbearable in the house, we slept in the attic conversion
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Edinburgh, in the frost hollow below Blackford Hill
Retron
20 July 2024 04:20:16
The morning after the (crap) night before: 26C upstairs (in a room with the window open all night), 25C downstairs. It peaked at 33C upstairs yesterday evening.

MetO still has 27 today and 25 tomorrow, so it's going to be a long process to get the house back to decent (i.e. 21) conditions.
Leysdown, north Kent
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20 July 2024 05:00:46

Never really heard of using a conservatory to heat your home until Jiries started talking about it. Most things online are about solving cold conservatory's. 
Our house has large windows which helps when it is sunny, e.g 3 metres long and nearly 2 metres high in the living room.  Our ground floor extension also has a couple of skylight windows , next doors has a glass dome on theirs, these things probably all help when it is sunny/bright. 

Originally Posted by: Tim A 


Our underfloor heating very rarely comes on due to heating by the sun. Our living area has bi-folds along the width of an East facing wall that gets morning sun, plus a large roof lantern that gets the sun almost all day, so it’s super cosy in winter.  However it can be awful in hot weather because keeping doors and windows closed keeps it hot, rather than cool.  It was a constant 27c indoors yesterday and would have been worse but for a light breeze pulling through with all doors and windows open.  We’re seriously thinking about getting air con installed. 
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Tim A
20 July 2024 06:07:26

Our underfloor heating very rarely comes on due to heating by the sun. Our living area has bi-folds along the width of an East facing wall that gets morning sun, plus a large roof lantern that gets the sun almost all day, so it’s super cosy in winter.  However it can be awful in hot weather because keeping doors and windows closed keeps it hot, rather than cool.  It was a constant 27c indoors yesterday and would have been worse but for a light breeze pulling through with all doors and windows open.  We’re seriously thinking about getting air con installed. 

Originally Posted by: Caz 


My personal view is that is is worth living in a house that retains as much heat as possible given our climate , the vast majority of the over 500k minutes in a year it is cold, cool or mild rather than warm or hot. (Sone nice graphics show this but can't find) 
Last night was a tad hot though, 26c all night upstairs.
Recognise that it is cooler here though, anywhere SE of Leeds and on lower ground has a bit of a different climate and seems to cool off so much more slowly well into the evenings. 
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20 July 2024 06:24:15

My personal view is that is is worth living in a house that retains as much heat as possible given our climate , the vast majority of the over 500k minutes in a year it is cold, cool or mild rather than warm or hot. (Sone nice graphics show this but can't find) 
Last night was a tad hot though, 26c all night upstairs.
Recognise that it is cooler here though, anywhere SE of Leeds and on lower ground has a bit of a different climate and seems to cool off so much more slowly well into the evenings. 

Originally Posted by: Tim A 


Yes, we certainly reap the benefits of heat retention.  I agree we have far more days when we need heating rather than cooling, so I shouldn’t complain. Every time I consider installing air con, I talk myself out of investing so much, when it’s needed so few times.  I don’t think I can really justify the cost. 
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Retron
21 July 2024 04:36:36
A very warm night last night - despite having the windows open all night (in rooms other than my bedroom) it's still 26C upstairs, and 24C downstairs.
Leysdown, north Kent
The Beast from the East
21 July 2024 09:14:50

My personal view is that is is worth living in a house that retains as much heat as possible given our climate , the vast majority of the over 500k minutes in a year it is cold, cool or mild rather than warm or hot. (Sone nice graphics show this but can't find) 
Last night was a tad hot though, 26c all night upstairs.
Recognise that it is cooler here though, anywhere SE of Leeds and on lower ground has a bit of a different climate and seems to cool off so much more slowly well into the evenings. 

Originally Posted by: Tim A 


I always assumed good insulation meant you had heat retention in winter and but also keeps the heat out during extreme heat, assuming you close windows

My house has no insulation so the top attic room gets very hot in summer and cold in winter. In winter I tend to close it off so the heat doesnt escape too much
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ARTzeman
21 July 2024 09:43:31
23.7 Indoors at the moment. Early power cut had no effect as the heating was not switched on.




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Retron
21 July 2024 10:08:14

23.7 Indoors at the moment. Early power cut had no effect as the heating was not switched on.

Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 


Still stubbornly warm here, despite a cooler than expected morning outside ("only" 20C, but still very humid). 25C upstairs, 24C downstairs, all windows open...

It's a reminder, I guess, that although it takes a couple of days to really get hot indoors, it takes just as long to cool down afterwards.
Leysdown, north Kent
Roger Parsons
21 July 2024 10:44:07

My personal view is that is is worth living in a house that retains as much heat as possible given our climate , the vast majority of the over 500k minutes in a year it is cold, cool or mild rather than warm or hot. (Sone nice graphics show this but can't find) 
Last night was a tad hot though, 26c all night upstairs.
Recognise that it is cooler here though, anywhere SE of Leeds and on lower ground has a bit of a different climate and seems to cool off so much more slowly well into the evenings. 

Originally Posted by: Tim A 


I posted in Moaning and Gloating: "I find it a paradox that our efforts to address energy use/loss by better building materials and insulation could in some cases force us to go for air conditioning to cool our homes in summer - putting up our energy use back to where we started. Is this a fair take on the present situation?"
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Windy Willow
21 July 2024 13:46:34
It's a lovely cosy 22.7c indoors, in the living room and upstairs was 23c when I got up this morning and probably hasn't changed much (it was a late morning start today! lol)
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21 July 2024 19:01:33
With lot is sunshine today was 29C living room and 27C to 28C other rooms while 35C in conservatory.  Fan on in the bedroom at nights now and that how it should be use instead of being idle all summer.
Retron
27 July 2024 17:12:45
After a couple of days in "only" the mid 20s, it's now back in the high 20s: 27C upstairs with the windows open all day, and a gentle breeze too.
It'll be in the 30s by Monday, I'd wager.
Leysdown, north Kent
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29 July 2024 15:37:44
FWIW it's 28.9C outside in the 'Mediterranean'/'Tropical' garden (north facing wall thermometer) and 22C in the kitchen. One of the benefits of water reed on the roof.
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30 July 2024 04:39:06
For the last week it been pleasant warm 28 to 32 living room and 26 to 30 rest of the room while conservatory 35 to 40.  All air vents on windows and one on the wall are open all the time so fresh air snd dry warmth indoors with low humidity.  Been using fan at night constantly so pleased how it should be for high peak summer season. 
Crepuscular Ray
30 July 2024 17:47:39
Our house reached 21 C in most rooms today, 22 C upstairs. Thats quite high for us. 20 C outside but a moderate cooling breeze.

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Retron
30 July 2024 17:58:50

Our house reached 21 C in most rooms today, 22 C upstairs. Thats quite high for us. 20 C outside but a moderate cooling breeze.

Originally Posted by: Crepuscular Ray 


Sounds pleasant to me! Here, it's 27C upstairs, 24C downstairs, and the windows have been open all day upstairs (they've been closed most of the day downstairs, with curtains drawn). 23C outside, down from a high of 25C earlier.

It's the humidity that's the killer, btw; when the dewpoint is hovering between 18 and 20, as it has been today, it takes an age for things to cool down indoors. (Indeed, even though I'll get my bedroom down to 21 via the portable a/c, it will only take 30 minutes after it's turned off for temperatures to equalise with the rest of upstairs... then all the warmth will slowly rise from downstairs through the night, keeping it toasty. It'll be 23C or more through most of the night. 🥵)

Leysdown, north Kent
Chunky Pea
30 July 2024 18:48:36

Sounds pleasant to me! Here, it's 27C upstairs, 24C downstairs, and the windows have been open all day upstairs (they've been closed most of the day downstairs, with curtains drawn). 23C outside, down from a high of 25C earlier.

It's the humidity that's the killer, btw; when the dewpoint is hovering between 18 and 20, as it has been today, it takes an age for things to cool down indoors. (Indeed, even though I'll get my bedroom down to 21 via the portable a/c, it will only take 30 minutes after it's turned off for temperatures to equalise with the rest of upstairs... then all the warmth will slowly rise from downstairs through the night, keeping it toasty. It'll be 23C or more through most of the night. 🥵)

Originally Posted by: Retron 


Averaging around 20c here around the house. Too warm for me but more pleasant compared to your ongoing horror.  
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30 July 2024 19:28:17

Sounds pleasant to me! Here, it's 27C upstairs, 24C downstairs, and the windows have been open all day upstairs (they've been closed most of the day downstairs, with curtains drawn). 23C outside, down from a high of 25C earlier.

It's the humidity that's the killer, btw; when the dewpoint is hovering between 18 and 20, as it has been today, it takes an age for things to cool down indoors. (Indeed, even though I'll get my bedroom down to 21 via the portable a/c, it will only take 30 minutes after it's turned off for temperatures to equalise with the rest of upstairs... then all the warmth will slowly rise from downstairs through the night, keeping it toasty. It'll be 23C or more through most of the night. 🥵)

Originally Posted by: Retron 


25.6C in the south-facing living room here, probably the same in the bedroom above. I'll survive it without too much difficulty!

And one of my neighbours considers 25C the ideal temperature all the year round. I hate to think what their heating costs are like.
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Retron
31 July 2024 04:31:28

Averaging around 20c here around the house. Too warm for me but more pleasant compared to your ongoing horror.  

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


All I'll say is that if you ever visit the SE of England, make sure to book a hotel with a/c!

And talking of which, due to the humidity my portable really struggled last night... it may have been "only" 25C outside, but even after 3 hours it only managed to take it down from 27C to 23C in my bedroom... it was a very sticky night's sleep.

I set it to turn off after 2 more hours (during which I didn't get to sleep... it's loud, and I'm a very light sleeper), and then of course the temperature shot straight back up.

This morning it's 25C upstairs and 23C in the living room, 24C in the kitchen... and though I've put the fan on the patio, the air outside smells stale and musty, no surprise really as it's 19C (dew 17.2)!

Hideous.

As to those cold-blooded - and non-elderly - people who actually enjoy slowly cooking at 25C... all I can say is that they're very much an outlier in the UK. Even the WHO recommends setting temperatures to 21C in living areas by day and 18C in bedrooms at night.

(Mind you, have you seen how many people see skin damage as a good thing? There's no safe way to tan , and at school my nickname was "Daz" - because I was whiter than white! At least I should avoid skin cancer, unlike my uncle and some of my friends...)


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Crepuscular Ray
31 July 2024 07:09:33
Down to 18 C throughout the house this morning (5 C outside last night!) A good 8 hrs sleep 😁
I'm wanting to experience some heat (25 C would do) but I'm trying to appreciate the comfortable sleeps you get up here!
Jerry
Edinburgh, in the frost hollow below Blackford Hill
MRazzell
31 July 2024 07:43:14

All I'll say is that if you ever visit the SE of England, make sure to book a hotel with a/c!

And talking of which, due to the humidity my portable really struggled last night... it may have been "only" 25C outside, but even after 3 hours it only managed to take it down from 27C to 23C in my bedroom... it was a very sticky night's sleep.

I set it to turn off after 2 more hours (during which I didn't get to sleep... it's loud, and I'm a very light sleeper), and then of course the temperature shot straight back up.

This morning it's 25C upstairs and 23C in the living room, 24C in the kitchen... and though I've put the fan on the patio, the air outside smells stale and musty, no surprise really as it's 19C (dew 17.2)!

Hideous.

As to those cold-blooded - and non-elderly - people who actually enjoy slowly cooking at 25C... all I can say is that they're very much an outlier in the UK. Even the WHO recommends setting temperatures to 21C in living areas by day and 18C in bedrooms at night.

(Mind you, have you seen how many people see skin damage as a good thing? There's no safe way to tan , and at school my nickname was "Daz" - because I was whiter than white! At least I should avoid skin cancer, unlike my uncle and some of my friends...)

Originally Posted by: Retron 


Sounds like a dehumidifier might suit you better than AC, it would certainly be cheaper to run.

Around 27-29 yesterday upstairs in my gaff at bedtime (9:30pm), depending on which bedroom you were in. As others have alluded its the humidity which makes sleeping uncomfortable. I didn't check the temperature this morning but when i returned from walking the dog the upstairs was considerably hotter and stickier than downstairs or outside.
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Chunky Pea
31 July 2024 07:57:43

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(Mind you, have you seen how many people see skin damage as a good thing? There's no safe way to tan , and at school my nickname was "Daz" - because I was whiter than white! At least I should avoid skin cancer, unlike my uncle and some of my friends...)

Originally Posted by: Retron 


Similar to you, I'm overly pale. Can easily pink up in the sun but I lose that glow very rapidly. 
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Saint Snow
31 July 2024 08:28:49
It was a touch cooler than forecast IMBY yesterday, peaking briefly at around 26c - but feeling fresher than you'd expect.

By 11.30pm, outside temp was 18c.

Bedroom temp was only 24c and easy to sleep in.

I suspect today and tomorrow are going to be warmer.

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01 August 2024 21:31:47
Was 33C in the livng room yesterday and 40.9C in the conservatory and 28-30C in other rooms.  Today was 30.8C inside and 38.2C.  All windows air vents open and Conservatory windows opened ajar for my clothes washing humidity to exit out and dried out fast.  
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