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johncs2016
01 September 2024 05:54:11
A short while ago on another thread, a member of this forum was looking in great anticipation for an autumn moaning thread to be started given the relatively cool summer which we've just had and since today is the first day of the meteorological autumn, I am now pleased to report that this is the very thread which that particular member has been waiting for.

Of course, it's not everyone who is actually a fan of the moaning thread and these people just tend to look for a general discussion thread so back in the spring, I started an experiment of combining the spring moaning thread with a general discussion thread because although not everyone is a fan of the moaning threads, they are still considered to be a very important part of this forum by a large number of its members.

That experiment proved to be successful. In the winter and summer seasons, there tends to always already be a separate general discussion thread for those seasons, so I wasn't really able to repeat that experiment during the summer, but I am happy to go back to that way of doing things for this autumn which I am now doing here.

This is therefore, the very thread for getting any rants off your chest during this autumn but as before, you may also gloat about something here if you want to. If you don't want to moan or gloat though and just want to give a general discussion about this autumn, this is also the very place for that.
The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
Martybhoy
02 September 2024 15:06:21
I like autumn. I look forward to the cooling and the dark nights and getting the wood burner on. I think it will be well into October before that. I normally try to last until Halloween. 
Summer in Ayrshire has been very poor so I am glad to just get it out of the way and move on. Not a lot of signs of autumn so far though. Very green indeed here, perhaps due to just how wet it’s been. I can’t remember a wetter summer. So here’s to autumn and hopefully some frosts and a build up to a nice cold winter with lots of snow. 
200m above sea level
Rural East Ayrshire
Near to the village of Sorn
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picturesareme
02 September 2024 20:36:47
Let's be realistic here true autumn won't arrive for a couple more weeks still, at least not down here. I know it's autumn by the metoffice classification but climatically it's still summer. The sun still packing the same energy as it was in early August for parts of Scotland, and not until usually around the 3rd week of September that things will begin to change down here.
Night temperatures won't typically start dipping into single figures, and day temperatures will still be averaging in the 20's until October. 
johncs2016
03 September 2024 06:00:27

Let's be realistic here true autumn won't arrive for a couple more weeks still, at least not down here. I know it's autumn by the metoffice classification but climatically it's still summer. The sun still packing the same energy as it was in early August for parts of Scotland, and not until usually around the 3rd week of September that things will begin to change down here.
Night temperatures won't typically start dipping into single figures, and day temperatures will still be averaging in the 20's until October. 

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


It's also technically still astronomical summer, and will be until the exact point in time of the Autumn Equinox (the exact time when the overhead Sun crosses the Equator from the Northern Hemisphere into the Southern Hemisphere) which for this year, will be at 1:43pm BST (12:43 UTC) on Sunday 22 September 2024.

It is only after that, that we will then be into the astronomical autumn and I know that there are a lot of people out there who prefer to go by that particular definition of the seasons.

As for the meteorological definition of the seasons, that only exists in order to make it easier for meteorologists to properly deal with the official statistics for each season because it is much easier for them if each season starts at the very beginning of a particular calendar month.

That same definition is used not just by the UK Met Office, but also by all of the various meteorological services throughout the Northern Hemisphere.

Down in the Southern Hemisphere, the various meteorological services use the same system for defining their seasons, but with their seasons being reversed which means that when meteorological autumn started here in the Northern Hemisphere, meteorological spring started in the Southern Hemisphere.

Since this is a weather forum at the end of the day and since it is the weather and climate which meteorologists deal with, I prefer to go by the meteorological definition of the seasons but that is only my personal choice whereas others may well disagree with that and have their own take on that which they are perfectly entitled to have.
The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
Martybhoy
11 September 2024 11:21:08
First snow of the season last night at the ski slopes on Cairngorm mountain. ⛰️ ❄️ 
I think this is nice and early. 
200m above sea level
Rural East Ayrshire
Near to the village of Sorn
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Retron
11 September 2024 11:51:05
It's a wonderful refreshing change here - the sun's warm when you're out in it, but not "blast your head off" strong, there's a breeze, it feels fresh and very pleasant. As I said elsewhere, the low dewpoints remind me of spring, there's not even a hint of that damp mellowness more typical of autumn here.

The sun incidentally is as strong now as it is at the very end of March, and the weather itself - 15.7 in early afternoon, dewpoint of 8.4 - is very much like an April day here.

I'll definitely enjoy the rest of the week, as there's more to come! 😁
Leysdown, north Kent
Martybhoy
11 September 2024 12:07:07

It's a wonderful refreshing change here - the sun's warm when you're out in it, but not "blast your head off" strong, there's a breeze, it feels fresh and very pleasant. As I said elsewhere, the low dewpoints remind me of spring, there's not even a hint of that damp mellowness more typical of autumn here.

The sun incidentally is as strong now as it is at the very end of March, and the weather itself - 15.7 in early afternoon, dewpoint of 8.4 - is very much like an April day here.

I'll definitely enjoy the rest of the week, as there's more to come! 😁

Originally Posted by: Retron 


The Sun definitely is still a bit stronger than I expect it to be for September. My solar panels are maxing out as if it’s high summer. That wasn’t the case last September, even on sunny days.
200m above sea level
Rural East Ayrshire
Near to the village of Sorn
Col
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11 September 2024 16:35:52

It's a wonderful refreshing change here - the sun's warm when you're out in it, but not "blast your head off" strong, there's a breeze, it feels fresh and very pleasant. As I said elsewhere, the low dewpoints remind me of spring, there's not even a hint of that damp mellowness more typical of autumn here.

The sun incidentally is as strong now as it is at the very end of March, and the weather itself - 15.7 in early afternoon, dewpoint of 8.4 - is very much like an April day here.

I'll definitely enjoy the rest of the week, as there's more to come! 😁

Originally Posted by: Retron 


That's as maybe but you're not getting battered by blustery showers day & night as I am!

Edit: Just got some hail, nice!
Col
Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg
Jiries
11 September 2024 17:18:54

The Sun definitely is still a bit stronger than I expect it to be for September. My solar panels are maxing out as if it’s high summer. That wasn’t the case last September, even on sunny days.

Originally Posted by: Martybhoy 


If skies are very blue are the most important factor.  I did not like the last Friday dirty few hours of thick hazy sun that gave no warmth compare to Sunday skies was very nice. I also notice the temperatures indoors does not response if hazy just non-warmth sunlight. 
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Martybhoy
12 September 2024 06:25:25
Woke up to a ground frost this morning.
200m above sea level
Rural East Ayrshire
Near to the village of Sorn
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Windy Willow
12 September 2024 08:06:25
After a very blustery, wet and wild, with some hail thrown in for good measure, first day back home, today is cool but very bright and sunny and a lot calmer. I'm hoping that we at least have a few more days like this left as it's been a nasty shock to the system this cold spell.
South Holland, Lincs 5m/16ft ASL

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Chunky Pea
12 September 2024 10:43:59
11.6c here and still feels very warm in the sun. Early April weather! 
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Hungry Tiger
12 September 2024 11:41:31
A good informative seasonal thread for autumn. Feel free to put stats on here as well.
I've stickied it so it doesn't disappear into the ether. On December 1st or 2nd I'll the move it to the classics thread section.  🙂 
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Jiries
13 September 2024 08:41:01
While we experiencing unusual very low night temps, still very mild at 12C in Santa Claus but look cloudy at the moment.  The source this cold air hit us missed that region and went to UK and Europe and eventually Cyprus as they expecting large drop on temperatures.
Martybhoy
13 September 2024 09:05:19
Overnight low here of 1. 
200m above sea level
Rural East Ayrshire
Near to the village of Sorn
Saint Snow
13 September 2024 09:09:14

A good informative seasonal thread for autumn. Feel free to put stats on here as well.
I've stickied it so it doesn't disappear into the ether. On December 1st or 2nd I'll the move it to the classics thread section.  🙂 

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 




As I say every season, these threads shouldn't be called 'moaning & gloating', just  'general discussion'

Martin
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Col
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13 September 2024 14:20:19

As I say every season, these threads shouldn't be called 'moaning & gloating', just  'general discussion'

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I think they started off as just 'moaning' threads which gave them a specific purpose. Then gloating was added and put the two togrether it pretty much does amount to 'general discussion'.
Col
Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg
westv
13 September 2024 14:43:39

I think they started off as just 'moaning' threads which gave them a specific purpose. Then gloating was added and put the two togrether it pretty much does amount to 'general discussion'.

Originally Posted by: Col 


Or more correctly "moating". 😀
At least it will be mild!
Jiries
13 September 2024 16:40:14
Seem lot of cloud about so no fun to enjoy a day and not useable.  Hope not a dirty type HP moving in as still overdue cloud free day and not much to ask for. 
johncs2016
13 September 2024 17:07:50

I think they started off as just 'moaning' threads which gave them a specific purpose. Then gloating was added and put the two togrether it pretty much does amount to 'general discussion'.

Originally Posted by: Col 


On that basis, I could just title these threads as General Discussion threads whenever I start them and do so in such a way that you can still moan or gloat about something if you wish.

If I did so though, it would no longer be obvious that you could actually do so if you want to which means that a number of members on here would probably then no doubt end up moaning about the fact there is no longer an official moaning thread on here.

Having said that though, these threads have now developed into a lot more than just moaning and gloating threads these days and I never thought I would ever see the day when I would even end up posting the summer statistics on what started off as the summer moaning thread in the manner in which I did a few weeks ago.

Personally, I think that statistics should be dealt with in their own separate threads which are devoted to that particular subject, and that is why I always start new threads on the first day of every month for the previous month's statistics.

I think it should be the same for each season or year as well but then, that is only my opinion.
 
The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
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Col
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13 September 2024 17:38:03

On that basis, I could just title these threads as General Discussion threads whenever I start them and do so in such a way that you can still moan or gloat about something if you wish.

If I did so though, it would no longer be obvious that you could actually do so if you want to which means that a number of members on here would probably then no doubt end up moaning about the fact there is no longer an official moaning thread on here.

Having said that though, these threads have now developed into a lot more than just moaning and gloating threads these days and I never thought I would ever see the day when I would even end up posting the summer statistics on what started off as the summer moaning thread in the manner in which I did a few weeks ago.

Personally, I think that statistics should be dealt with in their own separate threads which are devoted to that particular subject, and that is why I always start new threads on the first day of every month for the previous month's statistics.

I think it should be the same for each season or year as well but then, that is only my opinion.
 

Originally Posted by: johncs2016 


Moaning about the lack of a moaning thread? That would never do.
Keep things as they are, seems to work OK.
Col
Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg
picturesareme
14 September 2024 23:52:49
Back to mid 20's by wednesday down here 🙂
Jiries
15 September 2024 05:37:57

Back to mid 20's by wednesday down here 🙂

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Hope with full sunny days since mid Jan.  Wed is the day my garden have a full turnover so dry warm and sunny is perfect timing so no mud bath type.
johncs2016
16 September 2024 21:34:58
During the summer, we hardly ever saw any high pressure and at least partly as a result of that, it was a very disappointing summer here overall.

Now that we're into the autumn though, we now have the perfect "if only it were summer" setup during this week with high pressure firmly in charge of the overall pattern.

You really couldn't make it up and of course, this now raises the question of where on Earth was this high pressure during the summer when we were looking for it to deliver some hot and sunny weather to these parts at that time?😡
The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
Bolty
19 September 2024 07:59:56
It's been a beautiful week so far here with lots of sunshine and every day in the low-20s. I didn't think I'd get to Thursday and still be yet to see a cloud blocking the sun! It's easily been the best weather week of this very poor year.
Scott
Blackrod, Lancashire (4 miles south of Chorley) at 156m asl.
My weather station 

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