It doesn't matter how many caps they have got, the simple fact is that for the majority of those caps they have been utter crap, often when playing alongside each other (fault of the manager perhaps). Either way they have never performed on the big stage as well as Scholes has.
I'm not even a huge fan of Scholes, but he is in a different league compared to Gerrard and Lampard.
Originally Posted by: wallaw
I agree Rob, I am not his greatest fan either............but if those three had been Italian, Spanish, German or Dutch then Scholes would still have his caps, maybe more..........the other two would have had a handful at best. Whilst we still put effort and energy and brainless 'up and at em' football over quality then we will always fail at international level.
Originally Posted by: meme
Harsh on Gerrard. His biggest [club] game was in Istanbul in 2005 when he dragged his shell-shocked team from a 3-0 half-time deficit to a win on penalties, with an outstanding second half performance.
He’s put in some quality performances for England, too. His biggest problem has been that successive England managers have insisted on playing him and Lampard together, which just won’t work as neither can play their natural game. Gerrard’s been played on both left and right to accommodate Frank in the centre (who’s not then justified his selection anyway)
Now that Matthew’s caught his CFP quota for the thread, I can safely say that Scholes has been a top quality player. [see, I have no need to be churlish] He was one of the most gifted playmakers of his generation, with a great vision, feel for a pass, and instinct to crop up in the right place at the right time. Had a dirty side to his game and those trying to make out otherwise are deluding themselves (nobody can mistime so many tackles so painfully for the other player on so many occasions when the game’s going against you)
I don’t reckon he ever scaled the heights in an England shirt that perhaps he could have done. Maybe that’s down to his lack of ego, maybe being played out of position, maybe the managers, maybe the players around him. Consistently very good, but IMO he was never a true great of the England team.
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