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Saint Snow
01 June 2011 13:05:25


It doesn't matter how many caps they have got, the simple fact is that for the majority of those caps they have been utter crap, often when playing alongside each other (fault of the manager perhaps). Either way they have never performed on the big stage as well as Scholes has.

I'm not even a huge fan of Scholes, but he is in a different league compared to Gerrard and Lampard.

Originally Posted by: wallaw 


I agree Rob, I am not his greatest fan either............but if those three had been Italian, Spanish, German or Dutch then Scholes would still have his caps, maybe more..........the other two would have had a handful at best. Whilst we still put effort and energy and brainless 'up and at em' football over quality then we will always fail at international level.


Originally Posted by: meme 


 


Harsh on Gerrard. His biggest [club] game was in Istanbul in 2005 when he dragged his shell-shocked team from a 3-0 half-time deficit to a win on penalties, with an outstanding second half performance.


He’s put in some quality performances for England, too. His biggest problem has been that successive England managers have insisted on playing him and Lampard together, which just won’t work as neither can play their natural game. Gerrard’s been played on both left and right to accommodate Frank in the centre (who’s not then justified his selection anyway)


Now that Matthew’s caught his CFP quota for the thread, I can safely say that Scholes has been a top quality player. [see, I have no need to be churlish] He was one of the most gifted playmakers of his generation, with a great vision, feel for a pass, and instinct to crop up in the right place at the right time. Had a dirty side to his game and those trying to make out otherwise are deluding themselves (nobody can mistime so many tackles so painfully for the other player on so many occasions when the game’s going against you)


I don’t reckon he ever scaled the heights in an England shirt that perhaps he could have done. Maybe that’s down to his lack of ego, maybe being played out of position, maybe the managers, maybe the players around him. Consistently very good, but IMO he was never a true great of the England team.



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01 June 2011 13:06:47


 


Now that Matthew’s caught his CFP quota for the thread,

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I was only just getting started


meme
01 June 2011 19:00:31
Absolutely. Beckham is right up there, I grant you that, but Scholes has a more complete game, and kept up a very high standard for longer, perhaps because he didn't move clubs and got a consistent amount of playing time in each season.
haghir22
01 June 2011 21:27:52

Good to see Matty hasn't changed since I last posted on here some two years ago.... Looking forward to next season with much excitement....and will be back for the scores predictor.


YNWA
llamedos
01 June 2011 22:21:38


 Looking forward to next season with much excitement....and will be back for the scores predictor.


Originally Posted by: haghir22 

Excellent news


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wallaw
02 June 2011 07:11:58


Harsh on Gerrard. His biggest [club] game was in Istanbul in 2005 when he dragged his shell-shocked team from a 3-0 half-time deficit to a win on penalties, with an outstanding second half performance.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I'll take my original statement back, in that game Gerrard did indeed lead from the front, although I still say that him having Alonso behind him doing his thinking for him gave him the license to go and do what he did.


He also came good in that 5-1 game over in Germany.


I should have said generally bottled the big games rather than always.


 


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future_is_orange
06 June 2011 09:40:39

Ryan has been caught wiht his trousers well and truly down...supposed 8yr affair with his brothers wife reported.

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06 June 2011 10:40:42
All those years of squeaky clean credibility completely destroyed. He's as big a scum as Rooney
wallaw
06 June 2011 10:53:33

All those years of squeaky clean credibility completely destroyed. He's as big a scum as Rooney

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


WOW, sister-in-law...............a new low???


Ian


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SEMerc
07 June 2011 10:17:45

Good move by Fulham to appoint Martin Jol.


Excellent manager who was treated shabbily at Spurs.

future_is_orange
07 June 2011 18:49:34


Good move by Fulham to appoint Martin Jol.


Excellent manager who was treated shabbily at Spurs.


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 

   


I like Jol a nice bloke but may need to toughen up a bit for his next stint at the premiership

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09 June 2011 22:08:15
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13704323.stm  just come out and say it Carlos. You think Manchester is an absolute s**t hole πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚
SEMerc
09 June 2011 22:35:38

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13704323.stm just come out and say it Carlos. You think Manchester is an absolute s**t hole πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


And to think there are so many Utd fans who will never know that factoid.

SEMerc
11 June 2011 07:23:24


All those years of squeaky clean credibility completely destroyed. He's as big a scum as Rooney

Originally Posted by: wallaw 


WOW, sister-in-law...............a new low???


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


 


Gary L
11 June 2011 10:30:18

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13704323.stm just come out and say it Carlos. You think Manchester is an absolute s**t hole πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


I think he needs help, paid all that money and can't find anything to do. I assume the 2 resteraunts he is referring to are Bem Brasil on Deansgate and Bem Brasil in the Northern Quarter.  All he ever does is moan, I remember when SAF got rid of him and the fans weren't happy about it, turns out it was the right decision.

11 June 2011 15:47:05

The new fixtures will be announced on Friday. Time to predict which easy game Man Utd will get on the final day.

In recent seasons, they've had last day games against Southampton, Charlton, West Ham, Wigan, Hull, Stoke and Blackpool. You can bet that sequence will continue next season with a game against one of the promoted teams (or a team who narrowly avoided relegation)

Gary L
11 June 2011 16:56:00


The new fixtures will be announced on Friday. Time to predict which easy game Man Utd will get on the final day.

In recent seasons, they've had last day games against Southampton, Charlton, West Ham, Wigan, Hull, Stoke and Blackpool. You can bet that sequence will continue next season with a game against one of the promoted teams (or a team who narrowly avoided relegation)


Originally Posted by: Brummie Snowman 


Fingers crossed. I'm sure SAF has had a word and bunged them some cash.

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13 June 2011 18:48:10
Β£17m for Phil Jones πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚
meme
14 June 2011 19:54:11

£17m for Phil Jones πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


 


Yes a laughable price, but I fancy him to do well at one of the big clubs. He has a calm head and is reliable, two good defensive attributes. Still a risk though, could easily end up the other way round with him being farmed off to a midtable club on loan and fading out into obscurity come next year.


Just a warning, Phil, if you're reading

llamedos
14 June 2011 22:05:57

£17m for Phil Jones πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

I'm struggling here..........do I go with the opinions of my boyhood hero Matty, or do I side with the opinions of David Gill and SAF. God it's a tough call


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15 June 2011 06:46:18
Stick with the irrepressible Matty H, mate πŸ‘ 😁 Β£17m for Jones? The world has gone mad. It's not a slur on Jones, just the sickeningly over-inflated transfer market.
16 June 2011 19:36:11

Fixtures are out tomorrow.

Mark it down on your calendar, Man Utd v Norwich, Sunday 13th May 2012 4pm.


If not Norwich, then you can be guaranteed they will avoid a tricky game on the last day yet again.

Gary L
17 June 2011 08:02:32


Fixtures are out tomorrow.

Mark it down on your calendar, Man Utd v Norwich, Sunday 13th May 2012 4pm.


If not Norwich, then you can be guaranteed they will avoid a tricky game on the last day yet again.


Originally Posted by: Brummie Snowman 


Sunderland Away.

Saint Snow
17 June 2011 08:44:38



Fixtures are out tomorrow.

Mark it down on your calendar, Man Utd v Norwich, Sunday 13th May 2012 4pm.


If not Norwich, then you can be guaranteed they will avoid a tricky game on the last day yet again.


Originally Posted by: Gary L 


Sunderland Away.


Originally Posted by: Brummie Snowman 


Someone's head is for the chop for warming the wrong ball       



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Saint Snow
18 June 2011 22:36:09

Is Lerner aiming for mid-table mediocrity the boring way?


I cannot fathom the logic of appointing McLeish. Villa are a big club - fanbase, history, etc - and as long as I can recall have had a reputation for playing decent football.


McLeish had Birmingham set up to play negative, uninspiring football. OK, he had limited resources - but other managers in similar positions have at least tried to play football. He won the Mickey Mouse Cup, but then couldn't gee his team out of a freefall that ended in relegation.


I can understand the anger from Villa fans. McLeish's sides play negative, boring football; ultimately he's been a failure in English football; he's coming fresh from Villa's hated rivals.


WTF is Lerner thinking????


 



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