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Charmhills
09 July 2013 07:57:12


CFS still wanting a cold winter


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfs/run/monthly/cfs-3-1-2014.png?18


 


All 3 months below average today.


Greenland highs becoming a very common theme. 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Winter =


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
Matty H
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09 July 2013 08:02:48
Wonderful output this morning [sn_appr]

I wouldn't say winter is boring all the time. Snow is fun, but useless winter projections in mid July are hilarious. That's not a criticism of Quantum posting them, he's more than entitled to in this thread, but they've as much chance of being accurate as a Labour Party economic projection.
ARTzeman
09 July 2013 08:07:14

West is Best with Ecm this morning and for a good whlie..






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Others just get wet.
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nsrobins
09 July 2013 08:12:01


I am having to resort to my long standing tactic of sleeping in a wet t shirt with the fan on


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


For more information, google image 'Ayia Napa'


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Stormchaser
09 July 2013 08:22:20

Great shifts from ECM and to a lesser extent GFS.


Not great shifts from UKMO and to a lesser extent GEM.


The balance is retained




The behaviour of that trough moving into Scandinavia appears to lead to a wide range of setups from a sometimes changeable (most often in the NE) NW flow with fluctuating temps but near average overall (i.e. like the GFS 00z op run in FI) to a pleasantly warm regime and largely settled (i.e. ECM 00z op run).


UKMO is hard to extrapolate from this morning because although it keeps the main troughing in the same area days 5-6, it appears to do so by absorbing the day 5 storm into another one for day 6, while keeping the door open for energy going east from there. So either the trough keeps getting pumped up in the same region leading to a changeable NW flow here, or the energy moves on and high pressure returns across the UK from the SW.


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Ally Pally Snowman
09 July 2013 08:27:00

Matt now suggesting that the settled conditions will last until late July early August. NO BREAKDOWN!!!


MATT HUGO TWITTER


"Something cooler after mid-month, but high pressure reluctant to decline too far to the W and SW so maintaining a ridge long term"


"GFS ENS mean at 22nd July - - Still plreasantly warm, some precip in the N possible, but generally anticyclonic "


 


"GFS has 'won' this battle, with the 12Z EC ENS yesterday far more anticyclonic long term, as per GFS ENS for a number of days."


 


 


"EC32 maintains it's trend from recent model updates and that continues to show high pressure near to the UK, perhaps to the N early August."


 


"EC32, not always right, but in this instance showing good consistency and always kept a more anticyclonic pattern really"


 


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Scandy 1050 MB
09 July 2013 08:48:28


Matt now suggesting that the settled conditions will last until late July early August. NO BREAKDOWN!!!


MATT HUGO TWITTER


"Something cooler after mid-month, but high pressure reluctant to decline too far to the W and SW so maintaining a ridge long term"


"GFS ENS mean at 22nd July - - Still plreasantly warm, some precip in the N possible, but generally anticyclonic "


 


"GFS has 'won' this battle, with the 12Z EC ENS yesterday far more anticyclonic long term, as per GFS ENS for a number of days."


 


 


"EC32 maintains it's trend from recent model updates and that continues to show high pressure near to the UK, perhaps to the N early August."


 


"EC32, not always right, but in this instance showing good consistency and always kept a more anticyclonic pattern really"


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Heatwave about to collapse then if the EC32 is saying dry all the way out to the end of the month!  


As I said in another comment, to be fair he's just saying what he is seeing but for Summer the weather seems to be doing the opposite of the EC32 run so one to watch. Looking at the output this morning the threat of a breakdown has retreated however UKMO and GEM not as much.

Gooner
09 July 2013 09:01:25

A decent output again this morning with plenty of very warm weather on offer.


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
09 July 2013 09:02:25


CFS still wanting a cold winter


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfs/run/monthly/cfs-3-1-2014.png?18


 


All 3 months below average today.


Greenland highs becoming a very common theme. 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Thanks for the update 'Q'



Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Downpour
09 July 2013 09:18:44

Wonderful output this morning Approve

I wouldn't say winter is boring all the time. Snow is fun, but useless winter projections in mid July are hilarious. That's not a criticism of Quantum posting them, he's more than entitled to in this thread, but they've as much chance of being accurate as a Labour Party economic projection.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Chingford
London E4
147ft
Downpour
09 July 2013 09:21:01



Matt now suggesting that the settled conditions will last until late July early August. NO BREAKDOWN!!!


MATT HUGO TWITTER


"Something cooler after mid-month, but high pressure reluctant to decline too far to the W and SW so maintaining a ridge long term"


"GFS ENS mean at 22nd July - - Still plreasantly warm, some precip in the N possible, but generally anticyclonic "


 


"GFS has 'won' this battle, with the 12Z EC ENS yesterday far more anticyclonic long term, as per GFS ENS for a number of days."


 


 


"EC32 maintains it's trend from recent model updates and that continues to show high pressure near to the UK, perhaps to the N early August."


 


"EC32, not always right, but in this instance showing good consistency and always kept a more anticyclonic pattern really"


 


Originally Posted by: Scandy 1050 MB 


Heatwave about to collapse then if the EC32 is saying dry all the way out to the end of the month!  


As I said in another comment, to be fair he's just saying what he is seeing but for Summer the weather seems to be doing the opposite of the EC32 run so one to watch. Looking at the output this morning the threat of a breakdown has retreated however UKMO and GEM not as much.


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


 Indeed. A pointless cannon fodder model that goes up and down like the proverbial's knickers. 


Chingford
London E4
147ft
Charmhills
09 July 2013 09:21:15



CFS still wanting a cold winter


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfs/run/monthly/cfs-3-1-2014.png?18


 


All 3 months below average today.


Greenland highs becoming a very common theme. 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Thanks for the update 'Q'



Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Hopefully a mild/stormy winter ahead to.


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
Matty H
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09 July 2013 09:24:03



CFS still wanting a cold winter


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfs/run/monthly/cfs-3-1-2014.png?18


 


All 3 months below average today.


Greenland highs becoming a very common theme. 


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


Thanks for the update 'Q'



Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Hopefully a mild/stormy winter ahead to.

Originally Posted by: Quantum 



Mild would be brilliant. Not sure about the stormy bit though. Brian posting on FB about some model showing a mild winter. Comes with same caveats as all the other waste of time seasonal predictions, but its one I'll be hoping comes true 👍
Rob K
09 July 2013 10:11:58



CFS still wanting a cold winter


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfs/run/monthly/cfs-3-1-2014.png?18


 


All 3 months below average today.


Greenland highs becoming a very common theme. 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Thanks for the update 'Q'



Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I think that one might be a bit misleading (even if you take it at face value). The anomalies might look "cold" but the actual; pressure patterns don't exactly scream deep freeze!


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfs/run/monthly/cfs-2-1-2014.png?18


 


 


Meanwhile back in reality - scorchio! http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rmgfs1054.gif


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Steam Fog
09 July 2013 10:27:46



CFS still wanting a cold winter


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfs/run/monthly/cfs-3-1-2014.png?18


 


All 3 months below average today.


Greenland highs becoming a very common theme. 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Thanks for the update 'Q'



Originally Posted by: Gooner 


I think that one might be a bit misleading (even if you take it at face value). The anomalies might look "cold" but the actual; pressure patterns don't exactly scream deep freeze!


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfs/run/monthly/cfs-2-1-2014.png?18


 


 


Meanwhile back in reality - scorchio! http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rmgfs1054.gif

Originally Posted by: Quantum 



Still looking hot Saturday. Might be the day we breach 30C.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rmgfs1084.gif 
09 July 2013 10:46:56

I absolutely despise mild winters. Not only is the weather boring but so is the model watching.


Anyway, looking good for some quite intense warmth across southern areas this weekend. Possibly the warmest so far (?), which I alluded to on my week ahead outlook on my Facebook page but won't be here to enjoy as I'll be at a music festival in Bilbao. Its a tough life!


Met Office forecast for London and the south east mentions thunderstorms late on Sunday. Can't see it myself but one to keep an eye out for.


 

Gavin P
09 July 2013 12:06:34

Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


Turning Cooler And A Little More Unsettled From 20th?


http://www.gavsweathervids.com/


Just first hints of how the fine spell may break - Thinking slow and gradual.


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Steam Fog
09 July 2013 12:13:37
Cooler from around mid month, though still dry.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png 
Gavin P
09 July 2013 12:34:41


Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


Turning Cooler And A Little More Unsettled From 20th?


http://www.gavsweathervids.com/


Just first hints of how the fine spell may break - Thinking slow and gradual.


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Hopefully nobody minds if I push this through to the new page.


Rural West Northants 120m asl
Short, medium and long range weather forecast videos @ https://www.youtube.com/user/GavsWeatherVids
Sevendust
09 July 2013 15:28:50



Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


Turning Cooler And A Little More Unsettled From 20th?


http://www.gavsweathervids.com/


Just first hints of how the fine spell may break - Thinking slow and gradual.


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Hopefully nobody minds if I push this through to the new page.


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Methinks that down here it'll still be quite dry in a gently unsettled fashion.That kind of set up is OK,especially along the south coast. I think we will see a push of southerlies at some point as we approach August which would bring some genuine imported heat and hopefully some thunder before the Atlantic proper arrives later on. Long way off though

Stormchaser
09 July 2013 16:32:02

http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20130709/12/144/h850t850eu.png


The 12z GFS op run has swung back through square 1 and on to some place beyond... only by a very short distance, but it does show the 06z to be another of many '06z swings' which in this case was driven by a stronger jet for days 5-6 that pushed Atlantic troughing further into Scandi within that time range, preventing the Azores High from extending much of a ridge through the south.


Out to 162 hours and, with the jet making a lot less progress into Europe, there's actually a weak ridge breaking away and heading on east. Also of great note is an upstream trough just SW of Greenland which is promoting a ridge ahead of it. On the 06z, that trough was very weak and the jet remained flatter. The ECM 00z op run developed a stronger trough there but took a day longer to do so. The results were good for the UK


With the trough nearer Scandi rather than near Svalbard as per the 00z ECM op run, I reckon the 12z GFS op run is more likely to go on to build a flatter ridge, focused more across the south.


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Gooner
09 July 2013 16:34:30

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn17417.png


High temps for many in the South out to Tuesday


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Stormchaser
09 July 2013 16:37:32

http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20130709/12/240/h850t850eu.png


Looking very good with GFS lifting the trough up to Svalbard - it may be slower than ECM with that part, but the result by day 10 is about as excellent


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Polar Low
09 July 2013 16:41:42

gfs models heights decline at grenny soon after thus not as much displacement on azhores which gives us good looking charts later on.

Matty H
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09 July 2013 16:46:05
Friday and Saturday looking pretty hot after a cooler day on Thursday for many. A bit cooler again by Sunday.

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