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David M Porter
15 July 2013 09:03:58

Don't reckon this current hot summer is (thus far) much of a comparison to 2006.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 



Not in terms of extreme heat but it could well have a longer spell of unbroken 80F+ heat than July 2006. We could end up with three full weeks with the temp reaching 80F somewhere in the UK every single day. That didn't happen even in July 2006 as there was a quite coolish interlude in the second week with temps down to 22-23c.

Not sure when the last time it happened was. If not 2003 then maybe 1983.

Originally Posted by: Steam Fog 


Or 1995?


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Charmhills
15 July 2013 09:06:01



weren't we here a week ago at the same timeframe? with gfs and ecm opp runs?


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


I seem to recall that although the overall consensus in the model output last weekend was for a lengthy settled spell, there were a few rogue GFS and ECM runs that showed the settled spell beginning to break down around the beginning of the week we're heading into. I agree with what Polar Low says about the models breaking down big HP blocks too quickly. Put it this way, if the few runs from GFS and ECM a week ago had been accurate, we'd almost certainly be looking at this week being rather cooler and more unsettled than what is is now forecast to be.


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


All blocking patterns broke down be it summer or winter David.


The computer models have to determine when that time will arrive.


My guess it will be into August when the pattern finally brakes and temps lower away.


 


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15 July 2013 09:06:18



(As for comparing the 2006 warm spell to the current one. I have felt the former big time as there were several days of 30 C and reached 35 C for a short time on the 19th July even here at my coastal location, this time round it seems that I'm getting off lightly thus making it a less memorable event for me so far - or perhaps where I used to work in a greenhouse may have altered my perception of it all).


Originally Posted by: idj20 


 


So far, this spell while excellent isn't on par with 2006 - for my location at least.


The records for Heathrow show that between the 1st and 31st July 2006, there were 13 days where the temperature exceeded 30c, 8 days that hit 32c or above and a peak of 36c was reached on the 19th (rounded to the nearest degree C). There were only 8 days out of 31 that month where the tempaerture did not reach 25c, and the lowest daytime temperature recorded was 22.4c on the 10th. A remarkable month.


Feast your eyes on that: http://www.tutiempo.net/en/Climate/Londres_Heathrow_Airport/07-2006/37720.htm


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Stormchaser
15 July 2013 09:07:27

Well GFS can't hide from the fact that the Atlantic still doesn't come charging east until into FI...


Meanwhile ECM has toned down the Atlantic onslaught and on day 10 it all looks a bit uncertain. I can see how the trough energy could split with some heading SE through or near to the UK while a ridge builds in the Atlantic and potentially topples over onto the trough energy that would by then be somewhere in NW Europe.




It's all still a long way out and doesn't seem to be drawing much closer at the moment. Meanwhile it's very warm to hot across many areas right out to around 25th July, another 10 days


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David M Porter
15 July 2013 09:16:23




weren't we here a week ago at the same timeframe? with gfs and ecm opp runs?


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


I seem to recall that although the overall consensus in the model output last weekend was for a lengthy settled spell, there were a few rogue GFS and ECM runs that showed the settled spell beginning to break down around the beginning of the week we're heading into. I agree with what Polar Low says about the models breaking down big HP blocks too quickly. Put it this way, if the few runs from GFS and ECM a week ago had been accurate, we'd almost certainly be looking at this week being rather cooler and more unsettled than what is is now forecast to be.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


All blocking patterns broke down be it summer or winter David.


The computer models have to determine when that time will arrive.


My guess it will be into August when the pattern finally brakes and temps lower away.


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


I don't disagree Duane- that will happen at some point. All I would say is that there's a possibility it might be a while before it happens. As you say, it might be August before that happens rather than anytime in July.


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Jiries
15 July 2013 10:00:05


Navgm looks very hot mid thirtys next sunday if that epic run came off I would have thought?


18 uppers on the south coast amazing.


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/fsnvgeur.html


 


is that hot enough for u Matty  maybe not for Jiries.


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


35C here would suit me fine as it a lovely clean figure than 33-34C values.  Navgem had been insisting 18C uppers for few days now.  I wondered if this will happen?

The Beast from the East
15 July 2013 11:24:35

perhaps some light at the end of the tunnel for people like me! But another week of sleepless nights and unwanted sweat  to try and get through


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Jiries
15 July 2013 11:55:21


perhaps some light at the end of the tunnel for people like me! But another week of sleepless nights and unwanted sweat  to try and get through


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


It will always push back as they did in recent summers when HP predicting always push back until September so probably the same now to wait until Autumn to be cooler and unsettled. 

Gavin P
15 July 2013 12:44:16

Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


Hot This Week - Cooler End To July?


http://www.gavsweathervids.com/


Still just very tentative signs of a breakdown by day 10.


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Gooner
15 July 2013 12:58:02

It is several degrees too hot for me but I have to say it is nice to come home, open a lager then sit on the hammock for the evening


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Hungry Tiger
15 July 2013 13:16:06

Unless this changes - I think we can see the cracks emerging in this nice spell. But it is some way out though.


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bledur
15 July 2013 13:19:56

)http://www.weatherweb.net/tvweather/birminghamtempens.gif


 


 starting to cool off after the 19th, still pretty warm though and some rain showing up afterthe 23rd

Sevendust
15 July 2013 14:39:02


Unless this changes - I think we can see the cracks emerging in this nice spell. But it is some way out though.


http://www.jp2webdesign.co.uk/ds/gfs.htm


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


As usual, the 6z like the 18z is less on my radar than other output. However, the trend for less settled weather is there but it is still a long way out. What would be unfortunate from this type of breakdown would be a general lack of rain in the south(much needed), not to mention the continuing total absence of thunder!

Scandy 1050 MB
15 July 2013 15:18:09


perhaps some light at the end of the tunnel for people like me! But another week of sleepless nights and unwanted sweat  to try and get through


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Second that , just like in Winter it can be a bit much for weeks on end of cold -  well I think this is a bit too hot now IMBY, I like a bit of Summer but a week max is enough in one batch not a month!  As someone mentioned earlier, does remind me of 90s Summers and perhaps is the throwback Summer (like the 1950s) in a run of poor ones as Gavin P mentioned in one of his excellent videos. Looking forward to the weekend when the NE'lies pick up a bit here as the HP moves further north again and bring temps back to 26-28 rather than the 90F we have now. Northerners can have the heat back which I think they might be glad of!! 


Longer term definite more signs across the models of cracks in the heatwave today ,granted still FI but more in agreement so one to watch as always. Either way if you don't have to work and love the heat the next 10 days is certainly up your street.

picturesareme
15 July 2013 15:29:19
Today is st swithins day 🙂 a good omen I hope for the rest of the summer.
Rob K
15 July 2013 16:04:03
12Z on the way...

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1081.png 
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David M Porter
15 July 2013 16:42:18

UKMO 12z on WZ:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Rukm961.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Rukm1201.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Rukm1441.gif


Settled.


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Rob K
15 July 2013 16:47:37
GFS keeps the heat going...

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2401.png  Easily 30C.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2762.png 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3602.png 

I don't think it would be long before we saw things settle down again.
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Charmhills
15 July 2013 16:53:43
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3602.png 

I don't think it would be long before we saw things settle down again.


And an increasing threat of lively thunderstorms if that comes off.


The Met/o at 144hs isn't far away either and pressure slowly falls from the south with time.


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Gavin P
15 July 2013 17:00:24

As these runs come and go the breakdown doesn't seem to be getting any closer does it - Always seems to be around Day's 8-10?


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Matty H
15 July 2013 17:14:58

As these runs come and go the breakdown doesn't seem to be getting any closer does it - Always seems to be around Day's 8-10?

Originally Posted by: Gavin P 



Standard blocking high scenario isn't it? Doesn't seem to matter whether it's summer or winter, the models don't handle it very well at all. The breakdown at around a week to ten days always seems to be there. It'll be right eventually.
Rob K
15 July 2013 17:18:02


As these runs come and go the breakdown doesn't seem to be getting any closer does it - Always seems to be around Day's 8-10?


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Indeed. Someone made the point above that July 2006 only had 8 days when the temperature at Heathrow didn't reach 25C. Well at this rate July 2013 might only have 4 such days, if the heat can just last out till the end of the month.


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Nordic Snowman
15 July 2013 17:21:32


As these runs come and go the breakdown doesn't seem to be getting any closer does it - Always seems to be around Day's 8-10?


Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Standard blocking high scenario isn't it? Doesn't seem to matter whether it's summer or winter, the models don't handle it very well at all. The breakdown at around a week to ten days always seems to be there. It'll be right eventually.

Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Agreed.


I hope any eventual breakdown comes from the S with some storms rather than a cooler and fresher non event from the NW


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Steam Fog
15 July 2013 17:25:09
Hot start to next week. Any breakdown once again pushed back even further.

28C in south on Sunday

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn15017.png 

30C in south on Monday

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn17417.png 

30C in south on Tuesday (at midday)

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn19217.png 

29C in west on Wednesday (at midday)

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn21617.png 

29C in central England on Thursday (at midday).

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn24017.png 

Extending further on this run

28C in central England on Friday 26th

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn26417.png 

Matty H
15 July 2013 17:26:56

Hot start to next week. Any breakdown once again pushed back even further.

28C in south on Sunday

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn15017.png 

30C in south on Monday

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn17417.png 

30C in south on Tuesday (at midday)

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn19217.png 

29C in west on Wednesday (at midday)

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn21617.png 

29C in central England on Thursday (at midday).

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn24017.png 

Extending further on this run

28C in central England on Friday 26th

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn26417.png 

Originally Posted by: Steam Fog 



Amazing! 😱


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