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RavenCraven
23 July 2013 15:46:31


Still looks like a very unsettled start to August, although the SE might be OK.


MATT HUGO TWITTER


"All 51 of the EC ensemble members (in some shape or form) show a cyclonic pattern across the UK up to the 7th Aug, especially for the N & W"


 


"Quick long term outlook and still good model agreement from the ensembles for the 1st week of Aug to be unsettled"


http://t.co/TcKpTiq4lN


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


 


I don't follow this guy, does he only ever mention unsettled weather or is it just people only link to him when he does?  In the medium and even long term it looks like staying above the seasonal average for quite some time.

Steam Fog
23 July 2013 15:55:27


Still looks like a very unsettled start to August, although the SE might be OK.
MATT HUGO TWITTER
"All 51 of the EC ensemble members (in some shape or form) show a cyclonic pattern across the UK up to the 7th Aug, especially for the N & W"

"Quick long term outlook and still good model agreement from the ensembles for the 1st week of Aug to be unsettled"
http://t.co/TcKpTiq4lN 

Originally Posted by: RavenCraven 



I don't follow this guy, does he only ever mention unsettled weather or is it just people only link to him when he does?UserPostedImageIn the medium and even long term it looks like staying above the seasonal average for quite some time.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



Not sure that unsettled necessarily means cooler [than average], just not settled. Could mean quite a range of weather types (other than settled). So not especially descriptive as a term given how frequently weather in the UK is not settled one way or another. Not sure he said "very" unsettled either.
Rob K
23 July 2013 16:29:21
Exactly. Warm and unsettled would suit me better than cool and settled. Much nicer swimming in 26c and showery than 19c and dry with a chilling wind.
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Steam Fog
23 July 2013 16:40:59
Still warm as we start August on 12z GFS

26C max in England on 1st August

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn21617.png 

26C max on 2nd August

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn24017.png 


Ally Pally Snowman
23 July 2013 16:42:25

The GFS 12z wants to give us at least another 10 days of summer temps stay mid/high 20s now until the 2nd August. High pressure also buils nicely at the endd of the high res.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1741.png


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Ally Pally Snowman
23 July 2013 16:46:36



Still looks like a very unsettled start to August, although the SE might be OK.


MATT HUGO TWITTER


"All 51 of the EC ensemble members (in some shape or form) show a cyclonic pattern across the UK up to the 7th Aug, especially for the N & W"


 


"Quick long term outlook and still good model agreement from the ensembles for the 1st week of Aug to be unsettled"


http://t.co/TcKpTiq4lN


Originally Posted by: RavenCraven 


 


I don't follow this guy, does he only ever mention unsettled weather or is it just people only link to him when he does?  In the medium and even long term it looks like staying above the seasonal average for quite some time.


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


He's a Pro forecaster I think he is very good short term. He was excellent last year at long term as well although this year he has been not so good. It just highlights how difficult long term forecasting is.


 


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Ally Pally Snowman
23 July 2013 16:52:07

Its back!!!!!!


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3721.png


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Stormchaser
23 July 2013 17:00:48

Usual trends having usual impacts for output beyond day 6; weaker jet, trough makes less inroads, ridge is stronger... good stuff, leading to another very warm spell to end higher-res and start FI


The developments in far FI are entertaining, but only worth a quick smile before moving swiftly on - that said, I think it's not unreasonable to imagine that mid-August will see the pattern to try and reset back to what we had in early July Obviously I see GFS as being too quick to move things along.


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Gooner
23 July 2013 17:09:02


Its back!!!!!!


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3721.png


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Excellent , day befor emy hols


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Hungry Tiger
23 July 2013 18:24:50


Its back!!!!!!


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3721.png


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



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Charmhills
23 July 2013 18:32:53


Its back!!!!!!


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3721.png


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Right at the end of FI and not to be trusted regardless of what it shows.


144hs is the real limit at this stage.


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Charmhills
23 July 2013 18:35:55

http://wwww.wetterzentrale.com/pics/Recm962.gif


http://wwww.wetterzentrale.com/pics/Recm1202.gif


A warm/humid and bangy ECM for the weekend.


http://wwww.wetterzentrale.com/pics/Rukm961.gif


The Met/o not far behind.


 


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Ally Pally Snowman
23 July 2013 18:47:12

Settled and warm from the south. Will it last?


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1681.html


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Polar Low
23 July 2013 18:52:19

ecm upgrade on warmth for s/e pressure rise over to the east and energy correction west would be very warm for s/e


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=168&mode=1&map=0&archive=0


 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=192&mode=1&map=1&archive=0


gfs  and gm give support to pressure rise at day 7 to our s/e



Settled and warm from the south. Will it last?


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1681.html


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Ally Pally Snowman
23 July 2013 18:53:37

Hot again by next Weds


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1922.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2162.html More thunder very humid and hot.


Some rain and thunder around but it remains very warm. Summer continues especially for the South.


 


 


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Polar Low
23 July 2013 18:57:14

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opp was not a outliner with p/r to our s/e in fact running a little behind with other members at that time

The Beast from the East
23 July 2013 19:09:25
Jesus. Time for me to get the razor blades out. I cant take this heat anymore!
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23 July 2013 19:10:46



Still looks like a very unsettled start to August, although the SE might be OK.
MATT HUGO TWITTER
"All 51 of the EC ensemble members (in some shape or form) show a cyclonic pattern across the UK up to the 7th Aug, especially for the N & W"

"Quick long term outlook and still good model agreement from the ensembles for the 1st week of Aug to be unsettled"
http://t.co/TcKpTiq4lN 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



I don't follow this guy, does he only ever mention unsettled weather or is it just people only link to him when he does?UserPostedImageIn the medium and even long term it looks like staying above the seasonal average for quite some time.

Originally Posted by: RavenCraven 



He's a Pro forecaster I think he is very good short term. He was excellent last year at long term as well although this year he hasbeen not so good. It just highlights how difficult long term forecasting is.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



He used to post on TWO - as "MVH". One of those lucky ones who ended up doing meteorology as a career rather than a hobby. I once harboured ambitions of being a research climatologist but then got lured into the world of consulting by the milk round at university.

I think he is suffering from confirmation bias. He looks at the long term models, they say poor weather, he gets it wrong for July and so is keen to find evidence for things turning unsettled. My non scientific reading of things is that prediction beyond a couple of weeks remains a mug's game, hunch and intuition are as bad and unreliable as ECM extended outlooks (remember the barbecue summer forecast was based on ECM ensembles) and we are best off just enjoying the ride.

Having said that's hunch and intuition tells me patterns often repeat and we will see another extending Azores high before summer is out.

Brockley, South East London 30m asl
Gusty
23 July 2013 19:11:40

The breakdown to a cooler and fresher atlantic airmass remains at 168 hours, as it has done now for a couple of weeks. Saturday's heat now has cross model agreement and now we are starting to see the tell tale hints of further heat in 7-9 days time.


Today's thundery blip seems to be pushing out the way already and the outlook is a warm and sunny one.


Summer 2013 is becoming 'very good' 


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Polar Low
23 July 2013 19:13:12

many members adding much more punch than the opp with energy and pressures rise


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=9&ech=168&mode=0&carte=0

Polar Low
23 July 2013 19:17:16

fab run from this morning gfs on run of temperatures always above average for london untill end


http://www.weathercast.co.uk/services/ensemble-forecast.html

Polar Low
23 July 2013 19:19:27


Jesus. Time for me to get the razor blades out. I cant take this heat anymore!

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Polar Low
23 July 2013 19:21:59

and now has support from ecm and gm and its members


Usual trends having usual impacts for output beyond day 6; weaker jet, trough makes less inroads, ridge is stronger... good stuff, leading to another very warm spell to end higher-res and start FI


The developments in far FI are entertaining, but only worth a quick smile before moving swiftly on - that said, I think it's not unreasonable to imagine that mid-August will see the pattern to try and reset back to what we had in early July Obviously I see GFS as being too quick to move things along.


GIBBY
23 July 2013 19:24:40

Good evening. Here is the report on the 12 midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for tonight Tuesday July 23rd 2013.


All models maintain the fairly gentle Southerly flow over the UK with fine and dry conditions alternating with thundery showers or storms at times almost anywhere but as always never evenly distributed over the UK with some missing out on these entirely and perhaps more concentrated towards the North and East. A further surge of warmth at the weekend could lift the SE into the hot category for a while again with the risk of a further thundery outbreak moving NE across these SE areas. Then as we start next week some differences between the models begin to emerge.


GFS tonight shows next week as a further potentially thundery week as cooler Atlantic air struggles to breakthrough the hot plume over western Europe. This means through the week the weather is shown to stay very much on the warm side with pulses of thundery rain and thunderstorms continuing to blight the UK from time to time as successive injections of cooler air hits the buffers over the UK. It's not until well into the latter stages of the run that cooler air does win through only to be replaced by a renewed surge of High pressure extending NE from the Azores at the end of the run bringing what looks like a further spell of sunny and very warm summer weather.


The GFS Ensembles show a spell of showery weather over the next few weeks. There will be a lot of warm weather in association with this weather type and as a result the rainfall where it occurs will potentially be thundery as winds are maintained from a Southerly source. Towards the end of the run there is some support for a rebuild of High pressure from the SW towards the UK, at least to the South.


The Jet Stream continues to undulate over the Atlantic dipping South to the West before returning NE across the UK and on into Northern Europe around the hot plume over Western Europe.


GEM shows Low pressure to the West and North of the UK over the coming week to 10 days. There will be some rain at times with the North and West possibly seeing the most risk though the SE closest to hot conditions on the continent could see some thundery outbreaks at times too.


NAVGEM continues to show the showery theme up to and including the weekend before a more definitive cool off in fresher Westerly winds with rain at times arrive early next week.


ECM tonight shows another hot plume pushing North through England and Wales at the weekend with another surge of heat and thunderstorms likely for many areas transferring North. The South will then become cooler and fresher again with sunshine and scattered showers by the start of the new week. It isn't long before heat rebuilds next week over the South and East with further potential for thundery outbreaks to interrupt the otherwise continuing warm and sometimes sunny conditions here while the North stays somewhat cooler and fresher with occasional rain and nearer to average temperatures possibly extending to all areas later.


In Summary the weather looks like staying relatively warm now for the reliable timeframe. With hot weather maintained on the Continent and repeated attempts by Atlantic fronts to nudge into this hot block there is plenty of chance created for occasional bursts of thundery weather across the UK moving South to North, probably more pronounced towards the South and East with brief flirtations with rather cooler air at times behind. There are still some signs of more definitively cooler weather for all areas in the mid to long term but there has been a definite swing towards the hotter air over Europe to influence at least some parts of the UK for quite a while yet with nowhere seeing any temperatures below average in the coming 10-14 days with the likelihood of well above average temperatures featuring very strongly  in tonight's output.


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