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Gooner
27 July 2013 16:37:56

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1262.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn12617.png


Heat builds on Thursday


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
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Justin W
27 July 2013 17:26:25

Friday looking unpleasantly hot across the SE. I would think a 33/34C is possible before the plume is swept away east 


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
doctor snow
27 July 2013 17:48:03
holy mosses any one looked at weather radar one hell off thunder storm coming aghhhhhhhhh.
Charmhills
27 July 2013 17:52:19

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm961.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1201.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.gif


Hot and humid and increasingly bangy for a time.


Loughborough, EM.

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Duane.
Steve Murr
27 July 2013 18:37:54

Plume corrected east in the models over the last 24 hours-


No more 23c isotherm...


Be lucky to see 20c now


 


S

Sevendust
27 July 2013 18:50:06


Plume corrected east in the models over the last 24 hours-


No more 23c isotherm...


Be lucky to see 20c now


 


S


Originally Posted by: Steve Murr 


I knew it would be a "cold" post when I saw your name on this thread

Hungry Tiger
27 July 2013 18:50:33



Plume corrected east in the models over the last 24 hours-


No more 23c isotherm...


Be lucky to see 20c now


 


S


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


I knew it would be a "cold" post when I saw your name on this thread


Originally Posted by: Steve Murr 



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Charmhills
27 July 2013 18:58:11

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1202.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1442.gif


Yes a downgrade!


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
Medlock Vale Weather
27 July 2013 19:03:43

Still time for an upgrade again though..


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Hungry Tiger
27 July 2013 19:04:09


Quite considerably as well.


 


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Hungry Tiger
27 July 2013 19:06:33

ECM now for Saturday.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1682.gif


We're not going to roast at 35C - but we certainly won't freeze.


Interesting to see how this would pan out. just look at the heat in France.


Still reckon we could tap into it at some point.


Summer aint over yet.


 


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Matty H
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27 July 2013 19:16:19

ECM now for Saturday.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1682.gif


We're not going to roast at 35C - but we certainly won't freeze.


Interesting to see how this would pan out. just look at the heat in France.


Still reckon we could tap into it at some point.


Summer aint over yet.


 

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 



You mean August is summer too, Uncle Gavin? [sn_shy] [sn_cool]
Rob K
27 July 2013 19:20:22

Not quite sure how it sweeps away the heat so fast from this:
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1922.gif

to this in 24 hours!

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2162.gif


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GIBBY
27 July 2013 19:24:38
Good evening. While some of you may be reading this with thunder booming around outside lets have a look at the legacy that follows over the next 10-14 days as I look at the 12 midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Saturday July 27th 2013.

The General Situation. The UK lies in the path of a thundery plume moving NNE over Central and SE parts of the UK in the next 6 hours. Following on behind will be much less humid and fresher SW winds with sunshine and showers lasting through Sunday and Monday. Towards midweek Low pressure moves North to the west of the UK with an attached trough carrying rain Northwards followed by a return to warm and humid conditions again later in the week. A further thundery breakdown looks possible yet again late in the week and before the weekend as a further thundery disturbance makes it's way up from France and Spain.


GFS then brings Low pressure across from the West painfully slowly next weekend with a mix of sunshine and showers, some heavy.  It also finally releases the SE of the close proximity to hot air on the Continent with cooler West and eventually NW winds blowing down over the UK. These strengthen later in the run and it will feel quite cool in the strength of the wind with showers frequent and possibly heavy in the North and West. The run ends with lighter winds but still a showery theme with a new Low pressure out to the West coming in at the end of the run.


The GFS Ensembles indicate a mostly Westerly based pattern once the final warm plume in this period wafts up across the South and East later in the week. The most rainfall will always be biased towards the North but even the SE will see some at times in temperatures eventually settling close to average.


The Jet Stream shows the flow undulating across the Atlantic and across the UK either from the SW or West over the coming few weeks.


UKMO tonight shows slack pressure over the UK late in the week with slow moving showers across the north and West while the South and East sees a lot of dry weather between more scattered showers. It could still be very warm in the SE for a time but the chance of thundery rain moving up from the South at times remain.


GEM tonight is much more bullish about a substantial plume later in the week taking High pressure up to Scandinavia encapsulating much of NW Europe with very warm and sunny weather. However, as usual the UK will lie on the edge of this feature with Low pressure edging in from the South or west at times gradually bringing in the risk of showers and thunderstorms later.


NAVGEM maintains warm or very warm weather at the end of the run in the SE with the risk of showers and thunderstorms as a trough crosses East  late in the week.


ECM makes much less of this weeks warmer phase than previous runs with thundery rain crossing East on Friday. By Saturday a small High pressure area forms over the South with a fine and quite sunny start to the weekend in the South while the North sees a few more showers and a cooler NW wind. Late in the run in what appears a strange and complex evolution thundery rain spreads North again  and brings a change to cooler and more showery weather  again to end the run.


In Summary there is a complex structure of output tonight which show the same basic patterns. They can be split into the two weeks with week 1 offering changeable conditions over the UK with conditions that will range from hot and sunny and cooler and wet with some thunderstorms in the SE at times to week 2 which seems to be biased towards a general cooling set up with rain at times on Atlantic Westerlies and temperatures close to average.


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Charmhills
27 July 2013 19:28:06


Not quite sure how it sweeps away the heat so fast from this:
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1922.gif

to this in 24 hours!

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2162.gif


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


A cold front Rob!


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
Rob K
27 July 2013 19:33:43



Not quite sure how it sweeps away the heat so fast from this:
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1922.gif

to this in 24 hours!

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2162.gif


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


A cold front Rob!


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Hopefully one with some interest on it!


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Polar Low
27 July 2013 19:50:19

Thanks Martin



Good evening. While some of you may be reading this with thunder booming around outside lets have a look at the legacy that follows over the next 10-14 days as I look at the 12 midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Saturday July 27th 2013.

The General Situation. The UK lies in the path of a thundery plume moving NNE over Central and SE parts of the UK in the next 6 hours. Following on behind will be much less humid and fresher SW winds with sunshine and showers lasting through Sunday and Monday. Towards midweek Low pressure moves North to the west of the UK with an attached trough carrying rain Northwards followed by a return to warm and humid conditions again later in the week. A further thundery breakdown looks possible yet again late in the week and before the weekend as a further thundery disturbance makes it's way up from France and Spain.


GFS then brings Low pressure across from the West painfully slowly next weekend with a mix of sunshine and showers, some heavy.  It also finally releases the SE of the close proximity to hot air on the Continent with cooler West and eventually NW winds blowing down over the UK. These strengthen later in the run and it will feel quite cool in the strength of the wind with showers frequent and possibly heavy in the North and West. The run ends with lighter winds but still a showery theme with a new Low pressure out to the West coming in at the end of the run.


The GFS Ensembles indicate a mostly Westerly based pattern once the final warm plume in this period wafts up across the South and East later in the week. The most rainfall will always be biased towards the North but even the SE will see some at times in temperatures eventually settling close to average.


The Jet Stream shows the flow undulating across the Atlantic and across the UK either from the SW or West over the coming few weeks.


UKMO tonight shows slack pressure over the UK late in the week with slow moving showers across the north and West while the South and East sees a lot of dry weather between more scattered showers. It could still be very warm in the SE for a time but the chance of thundery rain moving up from the South at times remain.


GEM tonight is much more bullish about a substantial plume later in the week taking High pressure up to Scandinavia encapsulating much of NW Europe with very warm and sunny weather. However, as usual the UK will lie on the edge of this feature with Low pressure edging in from the South or west at times gradually bringing in the risk of showers and thunderstorms later.


NAVGEM maintains warm or very warm weather at the end of the run in the SE with the risk of showers and thunderstorms as a trough crosses East  late in the week.


ECM makes much less of this weeks warmer phase than previous runs with thundery rain crossing East on Friday. By Saturday a small High pressure area forms over the South with a fine and quite sunny start to the weekend in the South while the North sees a few more showers and a cooler NW wind. Late in the run in what appears a strange and complex evolution thundery rain spreads North again  and brings a change to cooler and more showery weather  again to end the run.


In Summary there is a complex structure of output tonight which show the same basic patterns. They can be split into the two weeks with week 1 offering changeable conditions over the UK with conditions that will range from hot and sunny and cooler and wet with some thunderstorms in the SE at times to week 2 which seems to be biased towards a general cooling set up with rain at times on Atlantic Westerlies and temperatures close to average.


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 

Gavin P
27 July 2013 20:04:30

ECM has toned down Thursday/Friday's heat potential a lot I notice.


 


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Steve Murr
27 July 2013 20:13:05



Plume corrected east in the models over the last 24 hours-


No more 23c isotherm...


Be lucky to see 20c now


 


S


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


I knew it would be a "cold" post when I saw your name on this thread


Originally Posted by: Steve Murr 


 


 wheres the complain button .


Still hot, but thundery :)

RobN
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27 July 2013 21:45:05

Those hot, hot isotherms do like hugging the coast of mainland Europe don't they (apart form the sticking out bits, like Brittany)? We could use that as a reliable forecasting tool when viewing these improbable plume scenarios that the models sometimes throw up


Rob
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RavenCraven
27 July 2013 23:13:47

Anyone would think the output is poor looking at the last few posts. Looking warm to very warm during the coming week or two, with some good opportunities for some more storms. 

Stormchaser
27 July 2013 23:14:55

GFS milling around with similar runs each time, GEM and JMA adjusting west (less progressive), UKMO more progressive, ECM... super progressive, a huge change from previous runs


The models have no idea how to handle the mostly rather weak and broken up jet stream pattern. One moment there's a sharp trough in the jet digging well south, next moment there's hardly any sign of that on some models.


More runs needed!


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David M Porter
27 July 2013 23:31:27


GFS milling around with similar runs each time, GEM and JMA adjusting west (less progressive), UKMO more progressive, ECM... super progressive, a huge change from previous runs


The models have no idea how to handle the mostly rather weak and broken up jet stream pattern. One moment there's a sharp trough in the jet digging well south, next moment there's hardly any sign of that on some models.


More runs needed!


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


Indeed James. The models seem to be all over the place right now, and even at a relatively close timeframe as well. Sunday's runs will be very interesting I think.


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28 July 2013 00:38:57
Pro-Celebrity Weather Forecasting!
Thats the way forward.....!!!!
What a great show that would be, the celebs would have to he mentored by proper met bods, and wluld get voted off for poor forecasting!!
GIBBY
28 July 2013 07:02:25

Good morning folks. Just a quickie this morning as I have a busy day ahead. A full report will be available tonight. Anyway here's an abridged version of my review of the 00z outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Sunday July 28th 2013.


The General Situation. Low pressure lies to the SW of the UK with a showery Southerly or SW flow across the UK following the remains of the area of heavy rain from the South yesterday yet to clear the far North. This broad patern persists for several days before an area of rain moves up from the SW or South late Tuesday/Wednesday and introduces warm and possibly hot and humid weather to SE regions after midweek. The North and West will remain cooler and more changeable while SE areas again become at risk from thunderstorms later in the week.


GFS then shows very warm air never far from the SE next weekend with a sunshine and shower mix elsewhere before a cold front slowly winds its way East across all areas early in Week 2 briging cooler and frsher air to all with a more settled and pleasant spells in association with a SE moving ridge later in the week. The end of the run shows a return to Atlantic fronts and occasional rain, most prolific in the NW.


The GFS Ensembles show a sharp rise in uppers for 24-48hrs in the SE late in the week before all areas become more typical for August of average conditions with occasional rain and some bright and dry spells too.


The Jet Stream continues to blow North or NE across the UK for much of the coming week before weakening on a more West to East axis across the UK in Week 2.


UKMO today shows Low pressure close to the NW by the start of next weekend with a sunshine and shower mix across the UK in SW winds. The SE will be bright and quite warm still with the threat of further pulses of thundery rain running NE in the far SE of this region.


GEM today keeps things more generally very warm next weekend before it feeds a trough East later with thudnery rain clearing to leave a somewhat cooler and more showery Weserly wind to end the run.


NAVGEM too manages to stagger cooler air across the UK next weekend following a humid period with thundery rain. Thereafter, a sunshine and shower mix look likely with most of the showers to the NW.


ECM shows a vigorous thundery Low move up from the South next Saturday with a lot of heavy rain and thunderstorms likely before cooler air follows to a pattern not dissimilar to that of today with sunshine and showers in cooler and fresher Atlantic air.


In Summary the changeable pattern persists with periods of warm or even hot, humid and potentially thundery weather, this most likely in the SE through the next few weeks. There will also be a fair amount of time when cooler and fresher weather is experienced with a more traditional pattern of Westerly winds and showers, these conditions more prevalent in the NW. The separating boundary between these weather types could well give rise to short periods of quite potent thundery rain and storms as the cooler air to the West buffers the hot conditions over or to the SE.


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