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Jiries
28 July 2013 07:35:12

Nice to see Scotland and Shetlands Islands getting a taste of 15C uppers on Friday.


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Very hot spell to come up with low to mid 30's on Thurs-Friday then decent dry warm weekend with mid 20's over here as HP build in from the south.  ECM seem want to extend the heat in to the weekend so to see if that a trend.


After last night rain and drying out today if no showers and staying dry all this week here then we have a perfect ingredients for very high temps as the ground still parched and still very warm allow to give higher temps boost.  Look at yesterday I recorded 31C which is 4C warmer than the GFS temps because the ground are parched and very warm so it easily give maxes 3-4C warmer every day than what the models/media temps forecasts.  Tuesday forecast is 22C so the outcome likely to be 24-25C here but would feel cool after 6 days of 30C or above here.

David M Porter
28 July 2013 08:58:54


Good morning folks. Just a quickie this morning as I have a busy day ahead. A full report will be available tonight. Anyway here's an abridged version of my review of the 00z outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Sunday July 28th 2013.


The General Situation. Low pressure lies to the SW of the UK with a showery Southerly or SW flow across the UK following the remains of the area of heavy rain from the South yesterday yet to clear the far North. This broad patern persists for several days before an area of rain moves up from the SW or South late Tuesday/Wednesday and introduces warm and possibly hot and humid weather to SE regions after midweek. The North and West will remain cooler and more changeable while SE areas again become at risk from thunderstorms later in the week.


GFS then shows very warm air never far from the SE next weekend with a sunshine and shower mix elsewhere before a cold front slowly winds its way East across all areas early in Week 2 briging cooler and frsher air to all with a more settled and pleasant spells in association with a SE moving ridge later in the week. The end of the run shows a return to Atlantic fronts and occasional rain, most prolific in the NW.


The GFS Ensembles show a sharp rise in uppers for 24-48hrs in the SE late in the week before all areas become more typical for August of average conditions with occasional rain and some bright and dry spells too.


The Jet Stream continues to blow North or NE across the UK for much of the coming week before weakening on a more West to East axis across the UK in Week 2.


UKMO today shows Low pressure close to the NW by the start of next weekend with a sunshine and shower mix across the UK in SW winds. The SE will be bright and quite warm still with the threat of further pulses of thundery rain running NE in the far SE of this region.


GEM today keeps things more generally very warm next weekend before it feeds a trough East later with thudnery rain clearing to leave a somewhat cooler and more showery Weserly wind to end the run.


NAVGEM too manages to stagger cooler air across the UK next weekend following a humid period with thundery rain. Thereafter, a sunshine and shower mix look likely with most of the showers to the NW.


ECM shows a vigorous thundery Low move up from the South next Saturday with a lot of heavy rain and thunderstorms likely before cooler air follows to a pattern not dissimilar to that of today with sunshine and showers in cooler and fresher Atlantic air.


In Summary the changeable pattern persists with periods of warm or even hot, humid and potentially thundery weather, this most likely in the SE through the next few weeks. There will also be a fair amount of time when cooler and fresher weather is experienced with a more traditional pattern of Westerly winds and showers, these conditions more prevalent in the NW. The separating boundary between these weather types could well give rise to short periods of quite potent thundery rain and storms as the cooler air to the West buffers the hot conditions over or to the SE.


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


Cheers Martin, great summary as always.


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Stormchaser
28 July 2013 09:32:36

So ECM has swung back again to fall in line with GFS - phew, last night was a confusing one!


The models still diverge in some respects though, with GFS developing a larger and slower moving trough than ECM. This sees GFS throwing a lot more fresh Atlantic air at us than ECM.


There is a common signal for a ridge of sorts to rise up behind the trough as it lifts out. With another trough drifting towards the west, there's the potential for another push of heat from the continent, which GFS hints at and ECM has a go at... in fact ECM doesn't really push the heat away from the SE Friday-Saturday and then brings up an explosive thundery low from Spain!


Many signs that we're locking into a pattern of plumes, potentially thundery breakdowns and fresher, shower or settled interludes


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Nick Gilly
28 July 2013 09:47:34


So ECM has swung back again to fall in line with GFS - phew, last night was a confusing one!


The models still diverge in some respects though, with GFS developing a larger and slower moving trough than ECM. This sees GFS throwing a lot more fresh Atlantic air at us than ECM.


There is a common signal for a ridge of sorts to rise up behind the trough as it lifts out. With another trough drifting towards the west, there's the potential for another push of heat from the continent, which GFS hints at and ECM has a go at... in fact ECM doesn't really push the heat away from the SE Friday-Saturday and then brings up an explosive thundery low from Spain!


Many signs that we're locking into a pattern of plumes, potentially thundery breakdowns and fresher, shower or settled interludes


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


 


Well that is our traditional summer pattern of '3 fine days & a thunderstorm'. Still miles better than the rubbish we had to endure last summer.


I see that the 00z GFS run is looking more settled than the 18z from last night.

Gooner
28 July 2013 10:02:25

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1081.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn10817.png


Hot start to August , somewhere will get to 30c no doubt


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Sevendust
28 July 2013 10:05:54

Excellent synoptics really. Quite like the varied pattern, especially with it being faitrly warm for much of the time. More confident of seeing storms in the next fortnight

Gooner
28 July 2013 10:10:51

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1262.png


Some hot air clipping the UK


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Phil G
28 July 2013 10:15:03
Chance of storms late Friday afternoon into the evening
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Gooner
28 July 2013 10:37:32

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2281.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn22817.png


HP keeping us warm


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2522.png


The real heat is just a stones throw away


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Hungry Tiger
28 July 2013 10:47:17

Impressive chart here for August 7th.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2522.png


I just wonder if we can get a build of pressure from the south.


If we could that would advect some 30Cs pluses for a number of days.


 


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Jiries
28 July 2013 10:53:10


Impressive chart here for August 7th.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2522.png


I just wonder if we can get a build of pressure from the south.


If we could that would advect some 30Cs pluses for a number of days.


 


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


Very likely as the moment the models does not show it as it far away and beng set at default pattern.  Just more than a week ago the models was showing unsettled cool pattern for this coming week and look what happened now?  We getting another very hot spell with temps up to mid-30s on Friday.  With so much heat over the continent so it have to go somewhere and that UK and Scandi regions to get occasionally hot spells.

Charmhills
28 July 2013 11:15:45


Excellent synoptics really. Quite like the varied pattern, especially with it being faitrly warm for much of the time. More confident of seeing storms in the next fortnight


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Our weather pattern looks like getting itself into a plumey state over the next 7 to 10 day period and at times explosive to.


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Matty H
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28 July 2013 11:19:47

Impressive chart here for August 7th.
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2522.png 
I just wonder if we can get a build of pressure from the south.
If we could that would advect some 30Cs pluses for a number of days.

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 



Unlike Jiries I think it is very unlikely, much as I wish it would. The Synoptics don't suit high pressure building north across the UK on current output. Glancing blows are about all. Obviously that could change.
idj20
28 July 2013 11:24:57

Pro-Celebrity Weather Forecasting! Thats the way forward.....!!!! What a great show that would be, the celebs would have to he mentored by proper met bods, and wluld get voted off for poor forecasting!!

Originally Posted by: VIRTUAL STORMCHASER 



I have come up with a similar idea, as this cartoon I did a few months ago suggests (this is where ITV always seem to struggle when it comes to original ideas - apart from the much-liked The Chase) . . .



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Hungry Tiger
28 July 2013 11:25:56

Impressive chart here for August 7th. http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2522.png  I just wonder if we can get a build of pressure from the south. If we could that would advect some 30Cs pluses for a number of days.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Unlike Jiries I think it is very unlikely, much as I wish it would. The Synoptics don't suit high pressure building north across the UK on current output. Glancing blows are about all. Obviously that could change.


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 



Good points there Matty. Anyway I will explain things in more detail.


 


I think the main problem is the concept of atmospheric physics there. I was taught that very high temperatures and those there certainly are high temperatures - Very high temperatures go against the process of high pressure - Indeed when you get high temperatures for as long as this you get what is known as a heat low forming. Pressure might be somewhat higher at higher altitudes but at lower levels the intense rising air brought about by those temperatures drops the pressure at a lower level.


This I have the theory -  that this process weakens the process of adiabatic compression which is needed to produce high pressure. The combined process of which weakens the high pressure and makes it more easily eroded by low pressure systems moving in from the Atlantic.


This will explain why we have been stuck on the borders between the two air masses for so long.


 


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Rob K
28 July 2013 12:11:49
The great thing about the current set-up is that even when it is unsettled it hasn't been getting cold as there is plenty of warm air in the mix.

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Twister
28 July 2013 12:13:39


Excellent synoptics really. Quite like the varied pattern, especially with it being faitrly warm for much of the time. More confident of seeing storms in the next fortnight


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


 


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Gooner
28 July 2013 16:08:46

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1021.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn10217.png


Seems to agree with the latest Beeb forecast


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Gooner
28 July 2013 16:19:50

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2281.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn22817.png


 


Auntumn for the North, Summer for the South


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28 July 2013 16:24:08

Got my eye fixed on this thread.  I'm off for a week's holiday with the family to Powys in Wales next Saturday and every time I've been to Wales, it's been rainy and grey. 


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Hungry Tiger
28 July 2013 16:24:20


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http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn22817.png


 


Auntumn for the North, Summer for the South


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Amazing to see 40C for Hungary - that sure is hot.


 


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David M Porter
28 July 2013 16:31:02


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2281.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn22817.png


 


Auntumn for the North, Summer for the South


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Only autumnal for the north in the sense that the temps up here would be lower. Doesn't look a bad chart for up here to me were it to verify of course.


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Gooner
28 July 2013 16:44:31



http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2281.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn22817.png


 


Auntumn for the North, Summer for the South


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Only autumnal for the north in the sense that the temps up here would be lower. Doesn't look a bad chart for up here to me were it to verify of course.


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Of course hence the link to the temps, quite a contrast, if verified of course


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Steve Murr
28 July 2013 18:46:28

ECM out to 168


 


looks hot interspersed with THundery incursions from Biscay-


 


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GIBBY
28 July 2013 20:27:10

Good evening. A little late but here is my report on the midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Sunday July 28th 2013.


The General Situation. Low pressure will remain close to the North or to the West of the Uk over the coming week. Occasional troughs of Low pressure will move North or NE across the UK feeding rain and showers, sometimes heavy across the UK. After midweek the airflow becomes more Southerly dragging very warm or hot air north across Southern and eastern areas before a cold front moving East across the UK late in the week brings the risk of thundery rain or thunderstorms later in the week. Through this period the North and West will remain somewhat cooler and more unsettled with rain at times.


GFS then shows next weekend rather unsettled and showery with temperatures on the decline in the SE to more average levels but with some good dry spells too for the start of next week. Thereafter the latter half of the run indicates that a changeable pattern ensues with rain at times in a cooler Westerly wind for most parts.


The GFS Ensembles show that a pronounced warm up later in the week and notably in the South is a precursor to much cooler conditions with Westerly winds and rain at times over the second half of the output.


The Jet Stream is shown to cross the Atlantic on its more Southerly trajectory of late to cross the UK on a NE track or latterly on a more Easterly path across the UK.


UKMO tonight shows a weak cold front crossing East late in the week and over the weekend with a very warm Southerly feed still close to the East where some heavy and thundery rain is likely with other areas seeing more showery and somewhat cooler conditions.


GEM shows a hot end to the week in the SE and reasonably warm elsewhere too if rather humid. A band of thundery rain looks likely to cross East at the start of the weekend with a more unsettled and changeable pattern developing later with showers or rain at times as a Low pressure complex develops over the South of the UK.


NAVGEM shows a similar transcript with events at the weekend with a thundery phase in the SE with warm weather remaining over or close by throughout the end of the run. The north and West would see a more conventional and traditional sunshine and shower mix in temperatures close to average.


ECM tonight shows a hot start to next weekend before cooler and fresher air follows a band of thundery weather crossing north or NE over SE Britain early in the weekend. Cooler conditions following see us through to the middle of the following week with some showers in the South and a ridge moving slowly SE from the NW settling thinds down somewhat later.


In Summary tonight the pattern remains as this morning. This coming week looks like being a changeable one with some rain at times in average temperatures or a little above before things warm up dramatically over Southern and Eastern Britain soon after midweek but only for a few days. Thereafter things become much more unclear with all models more than hinting at a return to more average early August temperatures with rain at times in Westerly breezes, though there is also some suggestion that very warm air will never clear far away from the far SE through the outlook period.


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