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Maunder Minimum
25 September 2013 08:04:57


not much rain here for next 7 days at least if this is true


http://wxmaps.org/pix/prec4.html


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Looks very wet in Portugal in the early period - guess that ties in with the expected synoptics.


New world order coming.
Polar Low
25 September 2013 08:05:52

ridge continues into scadi big 2 agree.


http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~fxg1/ECMWF_0z/hgtcomp.html

Polar Low
25 September 2013 08:16:53

But that is fair they generally have better weather than us, sun is finally coming out here after long wait




not much rain here for next 7 days at least if this is true


http://wxmaps.org/pix/prec4.html


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Looks very wet in Portugal in the early period - guess that ties in with the expected synoptics.


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

Polar Low
25 September 2013 08:33:22

warm looking end in fi for south and s/e from ecm


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=216&mode=1&map=0&archive=0


 


mean agrees long fetch southerly


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem1921.html


 

Hungry Tiger
25 September 2013 09:12:30


 


 


mean agrees long fetch southerly


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem1921.html


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


That looks nice - I wonder what temperatures we'll see there.


 


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Rob K
25 September 2013 10:16:45



not much rain here for next 7 days at least if this is true


http://wxmaps.org/pix/prec4.html


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Looks very wet in Portugal in the early period - guess that ties in with the expected synoptics.


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


I'm off for a weekend in Lisbon next month so hope it gets the rain out of the way now!


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Rob K
25 September 2013 10:21:33


warm looking end in fi for south and s/e from ecm


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=216&mode=1&map=0&archive=0


 


mean agrees long fetch southerly


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem1921.html


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Not too dissimilar to the Sep/Oct 2011 heatwave


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/2011/Rrea00120111001.gif


 


Albeit not as warm as that exceptional spell of course.


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Ally Pally Snowman
25 September 2013 11:42:33



warm looking end in fi for south and s/e from ecm


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=216&mode=1&map=0&archive=0


 


mean agrees long fetch southerly


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem1921.html


 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Not too dissimilar to the Sep/Oct 2011 heatwave


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/2011/Rrea00120111001.gif


 


Albeit not as warm as that exceptional spell of course.


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


If we can get some sunshine then 25c is more than possible with charts like this.


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.html


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Gooner
25 September 2013 11:54:04




warm looking end in fi for south and s/e from ecm


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=216&mode=1&map=0&archive=0


 


mean agrees long fetch southerly


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem1921.html


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Not too dissimilar to the Sep/Oct 2011 heatwave


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/2011/Rrea00120111001.gif


 


Albeit not as warm as that exceptional spell of course.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


If we can get some sunshine then 25c is more than possible with charts like this.


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.html


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Quite different to this chart fro GFS


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2401.png


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Matty H
25 September 2013 12:04:46




warm looking end in fi for south and s/e from ecm
http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=216&mode=1&map=0&archive=0 

mean agrees long fetch southerly
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem1921.html 

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Not too dissimilar to the Sep/Oct 2011 heatwave
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/2011/Rrea00120111001.gif 

Albeit not as warm as that exceptional spell of course.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


If we can get some sunshine then 25c ismore thanpossible with charts like this.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.html 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Quite different to this chart fro GFS
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2401.png 

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 



Yet very similar to the UKMO at the same time scale. 2-1 😝


moomin75
25 September 2013 12:26:56

Yes Matty, I'm firmly in UKMO/ECM camp at the moment! The longer it can stay warm the better....reduce the amount of time we have to put up with a filthy winter.


As much as I love snow (like you do I think), I cannot stand winter per se, so the longer we can stay nice and mild, the better in my view!


 


Sorry Marcus, I'll wash my mouth out with soap and water for saying it!


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100m ASL
Gooner
25 September 2013 16:15:14

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1441.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1441.gif


All fairly similar , which shouldn't be that much of a shock


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


GIBBY
25 September 2013 19:17:09

Good evening. Some advance info from me to notify you that there will be no report from me in the morning either on my website or here as I am on the road with my work tomorrow morning from early doors so won't be around until evening. Will be back in time for the evening runs though.


 


Good evening. Here is the report on the 12 midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for tonight Wednesday September 25th 2013.


All models continue to show warm air across Southern Britain but there is a colder feed of air making some progress South across Northern and Eastern areas currently. There is a lot of dry weather about but some bursts of showery rain too in places at times especially in the South and West over the next 24 hours and much more so over the weekend as some heavy and thundery rain is shown to affect the South at times while the North stays rather direr and brighter in somewhat cooler temperatures away from the far North.


GFS then shows a West/East split next week with warm Southerly winds pushing back up across Northern areas too early next week. Troughs will be ganging up to the West of Britain and are likely to make inroads East across Britain, to what extent though is very uncertain. As it stands spells of quite weather would be likely in the West while Eastern areas would more likely see drier and brighter spells between the rain. The latter end of the run indicates changeable conditions with rather cooler air in place too. There would be some dry and brighter spells almost everywhere at times when quiet and settled days could lead to overnight fog before the next band of rain moves in.


UKMO tonight shows Low pressure to the SW towards the middle of next week with further troughs carrying bands of showery rain North across Britain with temperatures probably a little lower than recently in SE winds.


GEM tonight shows quite a windy period next week as deep Low pressure lies close to the West. The winds will be from the South and it would still feel reasonably warm for many outside of the rain, which would come in bands East and North across pricipally Western locations with the driest conditions to the East, though even here some heavy rain could be possible at times.


NAVGEM too shows a feed of South or SE winds lasting well into next week with some rain at times in the South and West. The far East though may not see too much rain for a time before all areas become more at risk at the end of the run as pressure falls.


ECM tonight shows broadly similar trends to this morning with unsettled conditions for much of the period as Low pressure remains to the West and SW before showing signs of moving away NE late in the run. There would be rain at times throughout, potentially heavy in places, especially in the South and West for much of the run before the north and West become more at risk later. All areas could see some drier spells too with the East likely to see the best of these. It will stay on the warm side of average throughout as winds are maintained mostly between SE and SW.


The GFS Ensembles show a slow decline in uppers towards average by the end of the run. The weather turns changeable for most areas with occasional rain at times throughout.


The Jet Stream shows the flow to the North virtually dead in the water now as the circulation to the SW takes control as it links with a new arm exiting the Atlantic to form a Southern arm crossing East towards France. The indications for the period beyond the middle of next week are very sketchy and not worthy if comment at this range.


In summary the weather looks like staying fairly static in it's pattern with Low pressure looking odds on to remain close to the SW and West through the period with outbreaks of rain and heavy showers pushing North on occasion while High pressure to the NE and East holds enough influence to ward off the worst of the rain from more Eastern locations where longer dry spells rather than wet look likely. Temperatures although slipping back will never fall that much and even at the end of the run in average uppers any sunnier moments between the rain bands will feel pleasant enough.




Martin G
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Polar Low
25 September 2013 19:45:36

Thanks Martin

Polar Low
25 September 2013 19:51:39

Hmm intresting some gfs members backing energy off with increased n/e hight rises. would not rule that out.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=17&ech=150&mode=0&carte=1


gfs12z mean similar to ecm 0z


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=21&ech=144&mode=0&carte=1

Polar Low
25 September 2013 20:11:46

navgm not far away from some of those gfs members ideas on the energy either and heights, would be quite nice in eastern districts as Martin says have to wait and c as always


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/navgeme_cartes.php?&ech=156&mode=0&carte=1


 

Jiries
25 September 2013 23:48:10


Yes Matty, I'm firmly in UKMO/ECM camp at the moment! The longer it can stay warm the better....reduce the amount of time we have to put up with a filthy winter.


As much as I love snow (like you do I think), I cannot stand winter per se, so the longer we can stay nice and mild, the better in my view!


 


Sorry Marcus, I'll wash my mouth out with soap and water for saying it!


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


18z bring some very decent warm start for October and I am sure this weekend look superb than last weekend and this week Beijing polluted climate. 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rmgfs964.gif


Temps in the low 20's with welcome dry SE flow to clear the pollution away.  It good to see the models trending to the right way toward warmth than cooling down after a frightening early cool September.

Scandy 1050 MB
26 September 2013 08:08:39

If only it was December 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/navgeme_cartes.php?&ech=180&mode=0&carte=0


 


Meanwhile GEM has a plume for the same timeframe:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/geme_cartes.php?&ech=180&mode=0&carte=0


Apart from Navgem no real sign of any chilly weather in the forseeable future - charts very similar to July at the moment with persistent high pressure always never far from the UK.

ARTzeman
26 September 2013 08:15:08


Good evening. Some advance info from me to notify you that there will be no report from me in the morning either on my website or here as I am on the road with my work tomorrow morning from early doors so won't be around until evening. Will be back in time for the evening runs though.


 


Good evening. Here is the report on the 12 midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for tonight Wednesday September 25th 2013.


All models continue to show warm air across Southern Britain but there is a colder feed of air making some progress South across Northern and Eastern areas currently. There is a lot of dry weather about but some bursts of showery rain too in places at times especially in the South and West over the next 24 hours and much more so over the weekend as some heavy and thundery rain is shown to affect the South at times while the North stays rather direr and brighter in somewhat cooler temperatures away from the far North.


GFS then shows a West/East split next week with warm Southerly winds pushing back up across Northern areas too early next week. Troughs will be ganging up to the West of Britain and are likely to make inroads East across Britain, to what extent though is very uncertain. As it stands spells of quite weather would be likely in the West while Eastern areas would more likely see drier and brighter spells between the rain. The latter end of the run indicates changeable conditions with rather cooler air in place too. There would be some dry and brighter spells almost everywhere at times when quiet and settled days could lead to overnight fog before the next band of rain moves in.


UKMO tonight shows Low pressure to the SW towards the middle of next week with further troughs carrying bands of showery rain North across Britain with temperatures probably a little lower than recently in SE winds.


GEM tonight shows quite a windy period next week as deep Low pressure lies close to the West. The winds will be from the South and it would still feel reasonably warm for many outside of the rain, which would come in bands East and North across pricipally Western locations with the driest conditions to the East, though even here some heavy rain could be possible at times.


NAVGEM too shows a feed of South or SE winds lasting well into next week with some rain at times in the South and West. The far East though may not see too much rain for a time before all areas become more at risk at the end of the run as pressure falls.


ECM tonight shows broadly similar trends to this morning with unsettled conditions for much of the period as Low pressure remains to the West and SW before showing signs of moving away NE late in the run. There would be rain at times throughout, potentially heavy in places, especially in the South and West for much of the run before the north and West become more at risk later. All areas could see some drier spells too with the East likely to see the best of these. It will stay on the warm side of average throughout as winds are maintained mostly between SE and SW.


The GFS Ensembles show a slow decline in uppers towards average by the end of the run. The weather turns changeable for most areas with occasional rain at times throughout.


The Jet Stream shows the flow to the North virtually dead in the water now as the circulation to the SW takes control as it links with a new arm exiting the Atlantic to form a Southern arm crossing East towards France. The indications for the period beyond the middle of next week are very sketchy and not worthy if comment at this range.


In summary the weather looks like staying fairly static in it's pattern with Low pressure looking odds on to remain close to the SW and West through the period with outbreaks of rain and heavy showers pushing North on occasion while High pressure to the NE and East holds enough influence to ward off the worst of the rain from more Eastern locations where longer dry spells rather than wet look likely. Temperatures although slipping back will never fall that much and even at the end of the run in average uppers any sunnier moments between the rain bands will feel pleasant enough.




Originally Posted by: GIBBY 

Just in case you miss Martin this morning who has escaped to Trowbridge.






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Stormchaser
26 September 2013 09:30:26

The models sure are keen on avoiding any undercutting by the Atlantic later next week. While it's true that the time of year strongly favours the Atlantic having enough energy to ride NE, we've seen large enough corrections in recent times to keep the possibility of trough disruption and undercutting of that strong high being modelled across Scandinavia as an option on the table.


With the Atlantic heading NE as shown, we're kept in warm tropical maritime air under high pressure, which implies another spell of muggy, often murky weather to come our way.


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Hungry Tiger
26 September 2013 12:56:34


The models sure are keen on avoiding any undercutting by the Atlantic later next week. While it's true that the time of year strongly favours the Atlantic having enough energy to ride NE, we've seen large enough corrections in recent times to keep the possibility of trough disruption and undercutting of that strong high being modelled across Scandinavia as an option on the table.


With the Atlantic heading NE as shown, we're kept in warm tropical maritime air under high pressure, which implies another spell of muggy, often murky weather to come our way.


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 



Sounds OK to me. At least it's warm.


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Gavin P
26 September 2013 13:28:40

Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


NAO/AO Going Negative So Where The Cold?


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


An interesting example of how the exact positioning of blocks is key, NOT the indexes themselves.


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Gooner
26 September 2013 13:52:04

Cheers Gav


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013092606/gfsnh-1-114.png?6


Shows the Euro East /West split


Shame we continue to be on the warm side of the High, probably best to get it out the way now though


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Scandy 1050 MB
26 September 2013 18:26:21


Cheers Gav


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013092606/gfsnh-1-114.png?6


Shows the Euro East /West split


Shame we continue to be on the warm side of the High, probably best to get it out the way now though


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Know what you mean but I am liking the early build up of snow cover over Eastern Russia, that could have big implications down the line. Not certain by any means but certainly a good signal so early in the season, if we have a mild October so be it as it could mean we benefit in Winter proper from the earlier than normal establishment of the Siberian cold pool.

GIBBY
26 September 2013 19:24:53

Good evening. Here is the report on the 12 noon outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Thursday September 26th 2013.


All models show a SE or East flow across the UK with a weakening front across the SW with occasional rain and a similar setup over the far NW. The air is moist and humid so cloud amounts will be quite large at times but some good sunny spells are possible for many tomorrow. By Saturday the Low to the SW which is the driving force to our weather edges closer to the Suth sending another set of fronts North and slowly East onto SW Britain with some heavy thundery rain especially on Saturday lessening on Sunday. Through the first few days of next week the most noticeable change will be an increase in wind with quite a fresh to strong wind blowing North over the UK with the axis of winds changing from SE to NW to South to North. An East/West split also seems likely with the West continuing to see outbreaks of heavy rain at times while the East stays drier for most of the time with some sunny intervals away from the North Sea coasts.


GFS then continues the veering wind scenario while maintaining the changeable theme. the emphasis on wind and rain shifts towards the West and North for a time before cooler and more settled weather develops late in the run as High pressure moves in from the West with dry and  bright if cool weather with mist and fog as well as a touch of frost all possible for a time late in the run.


UKMO also veers winds more Southerly as we move through next week with a West/East split allowing occasional rain over the West while Eastern areas stay dry and bright. Temperatures would be near to average in the rain but warmer in any bright spells towards the East while all areas become much breezier than of late.


GEM tonight shows the weather becoming very unsettled and windy next week with Low pressure closer in towards the UK than some of the other output allowing a rain risk for all areas some of it heavy especially in the South and West. Temperatures would be somewhat lower than of late with time but still above average in any brighter breaks especially at first.


NAVGEM shows an unsettled and windy spell to come next week as SE winds become strong with rain at times carried North and more slowly East across the British Isles. It will feel cooler than of late in the strength of the wind with sunshine at a premium for most in generally cloudy skies.


ECM also shows unsettled conditions for much if not all of next week with Low pressure to the SW and West gradually transferring to the NW later next week before pressure builds in it's wake. Much of the week will see rain at times along with strong winds for a time before things gradually become drier across the South and East which extends to all areas next weekend away from the far NW. Temperatures on the warm side of average innitially would fall back to average levels late next week.


The GFS Ensembles show descending uppers albeit gradual over the next two weeks towards the seasonal average. It would appear that for a large part of the time Low pressure will be in charge with rain at times for all.


The Jet Stream shows the main flow relocating South of the UK over the next 48hrs or so. After undulating at this more Southerly latitude for the following few days the flow pulls further North over the British Isles in the days that follow.


In Summary tonight the output is fairly agreed on the basic setup but what is less clear is how much and for how long the High pressure over Europe can interpret to what extent the rain bearing fronts guaranteed to affect the South and SW early in the weekend and again next week is allowed to extend it's influence to Eastern areas of Britain too. Most output tonight does show fronts making it right over to the East by midweek by which time the emphasis on rain shifts more to a NW/SE split with somewhat cooler uppers feeding cooler and cleaner air across the UK. In the longer term tonight there are some signs that High pressure may move up towards Southern Britain late in the period allowing dry and fine conditions to return to some degree and extent.


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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