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briggsy6
05 October 2013 09:57:17

With clear skies and light winds overnight leading to an increased risk of mist & fog this week, can anyone tell me which areas are likely to be most at risk? (Thames Valley or hillier areas perhaps in Chilterns or Downs?)


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Retron
05 October 2013 10:41:38
It's starting to get a bit more interesting now, that's for sure!

ECM ensembles for Reading:

http://i42.tinypic.com/rr8fif.gif 

Note the marked cooldown on Thursday, albeit with greater scatter than for Wednesday and earlier.

Contrast that with GFS, which shows a completely different picture:

http://www.meteociel.com/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?x=306&y=141&run=0&ville=Londres&runpara=0&type=3&ext=1 

One of these models is going to be wrong, any bets as to which? 😛
Leysdown, north Kent
Gooner
05 October 2013 10:44:21

It's starting to get a bit more interesting now, that's for sure!

ECM ensembles for Reading:

http://i42.tinypic.com/rr8fif.gif

Note the marked cooldown on Thursday, albeit with greater scatter than for Wednesday and earlier.

Contrast that with GFS, which shows a completely different picture:

http://www.meteociel.com/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?x=306&y=141&run=0&ville=Londres&runpara=0&type=3&ext=1

One of these models is going to be wrong, any bets as to which? :P

Originally Posted by: Retron 


 


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Gooner
05 October 2013 10:50:22

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn31217.png


This is more like it, some lower temps .


Log burner will be firing up soon


 


 


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Snowfan
05 October 2013 11:34:56


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn31217.png


This is more like it, some lower temps .


Log burner will be firing up soon


 


 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 

   


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Matty H
05 October 2013 12:52:53
Lovely warm, settled spell of weather starting now 🤤
Polar Low
05 October 2013 13:09:54

Going to be a shock to the system if ecm has this right


http://www.weathercast.co.uk/services/ensemble-forecast.html



 

glenogle
05 October 2013 14:09:53

It's starting to get a bit more interesting now, that's for sure!

ECM ensembles for Reading:

http://i42.tinypic.com/rr8fif.gif

Note the marked cooldown on Thursday, albeit with greater scatter than for Wednesday and earlier.

Contrast that with GFS, which shows a completely different picture:

http://www.meteociel.com/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?x=306&y=141&run=0&ville=Londres&runpara=0&type=3&ext=1

One of these models is going to be wrong, any bets as to which? :P

Originally Posted by: Retron 


 


GFS looks pretty split on it does it not?  Or am i a run of ensembles ahead of when you posted?  Im sure GFS (maybe it was meto) hinted at this cool down over the last few days.


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Gooner
05 October 2013 16:10:00

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1261.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn12617.png


A welcome return to some more sensible temps


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Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Osprey
05 October 2013 16:15:32
http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/navgem/runs/2013100506/navgem-0-138.png?05-12 


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Charmhills
05 October 2013 16:18:40


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1261.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn12617.png


A welcome return to some more sensible temps


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Much more seasonal.


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Osprey
05 October 2013 16:22:53



http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1261.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn12617.png


A welcome return to some more sensible temps


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


Much more seasonal.


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Seasons are all to cock! This is our spring we didn't get... TBH I wish it was colder I prefer a warm spring


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harty
05 October 2013 16:26:26

wouldn't mind this pattern repeating itself mid winter 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=174&mode=0

Snowfan
05 October 2013 17:53:14

This "wind-chill" temperature guage has been dropping all day, and we now have our first 0.4C appearing for Friday...!!


http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=10day;sess=


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Gooner
05 October 2013 17:59:20


This "wind-chill" temperature guage has been dropping all day, and we now have our first 0.4C appearing for Friday...!!


http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=10day;sess=


Originally Posted by: Snowfan 


That would be a very chilly day , not too sure it is that accurate


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LeedsLad123
05 October 2013 18:18:53


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1261.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn12617.png


A welcome return to some more sensible temps


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Indeed. We're now at the time of year where high pressure does not automatically equal warm weather. I'd like some sunny, cool weather with cool nights to help the foliage along.


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Stormchaser
05 October 2013 19:30:33

All of a sudden the models are agreed on a much chillier spell of weather, and for the first time since early March I'm pleased to see that




On the Netweather 'feels like' outlook, I've got 24°C for daytime Tuesday 8th October before -2.2°C for nighttime Thursday 10th/Friday 11th! A shock to the system looks to be on the way. It will be fun explaining that to the many foreigners in my halls at Reading, who lately have been complaining about the cloudy yet clammy weather




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GIBBY
05 October 2013 19:43:03

Good evening. Here is tonight's look at the 12 noon outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Saturday October 5th 2013.


All models show a North/South split over the next few dasy as High pressure develops close to the South while a cold front slips slowly South over the North. As a result the South will be dry and bright with some warm sunshine by day with the North seeing cloudier spells with occasional rain but with some drier and brighter spells in the North of this area too.


GFS then shows High pressure transfer to the West of the UK midweek with a cold front moving South over the UK lowering temperatures considerably and followed by the introduction to some showers in the SE at the end of the week extending to other areas next weekend as low pressure from Europe feeds West into Southern England. With High pressure having moved well away to Northern Scandinavia and shallow Low pressure over Southern England being reinforced by further troughs from off the Atlantic. The rest of the run sees changeable weather develop with more Atlantic mobility delivering some rain at times interspersed by drier spells too when temperatures return to close to average.


UKMO brings a cold front South midweek with a little rain in tow. Once passed colder and clearer air will follow with temperatures 4-5C lower than of late with night time levels particularly lower with the risk of patchy frost and fog in places.


GEM shows High pressure across the UK with fine and dry weather with temperatures somewhat down on values of late with mist and fog in places. later in the run dry weather persists and temperatures could recover somewhat again as a feed from the SE or South develops as the High slips SE into Europe.


NAVGEM follows a GFS type route tonight pulling a colder Northerly down over the UK midweek. High pressure stays in charge for a time with a trend towards moving it towards Scandinavia and introducing the risk of Low pressure over the far South later in the run with an increasing risk of showers.


ECM tonight shows a more unsettled period developing towards the end of the run as it too pulls Low pressure in from Europe late next week  and then weakens it in situ bringing showers or rain at times across the South late next week in rather chilly conditions too. Late in the run the Atlantic wakes up with a large depression throwing rain bearing troughs NE towards Western Britain at the end of the run.


The GFS Ensembles tonight have introduced a colder dip in uppers around the midweek period before a slow recovery takes place again. all through this very little rain is likely in the South. in the second period there is a greater chance of rain for all as the returned warmer uppers dissolve slowly back towards average levels by the end of the run. the operatinal run described above was a cold outlier in regard to the cooler interlude in the middle of the coming week.


The GFS Jet Stream forecast shows the flow setting up in a NE direction to the NW of Scotland in the next few days. later next week the flow tilts West to East over Northern Scotland.


In Summary there are some changes tonight as more models have picked up on the earlier isolated offering of a Northerly flow midweek which could change the complexion of the course of events thereafter. As it stands there is more support for Low pressure from Europe to make some inroads across Southern Britain with the chance of showers ever increasing late next week. Beyond that the door could be open to the Atlantic but I have the feeling we are going to see yet another period of uncertainty between the models on how things will pan out from the end of next week with plenty more swings and roundabouts to come in the coming days.


Transcript taken from:-http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


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Hungry Tiger
05 October 2013 22:48:25

Sure is different now.


http://www.jp2webdesign.co.uk/ds/gfs.htm


High pressure in very different places from what we have seen this past couple of weeks.


 


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GIBBY
06 October 2013 07:18:29

Good morning folks. Here is the report on the midnight outputs of GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Sunday October 6th 2013.


The General Situation. All models are in fairly sound agreement on the course of events over the next 5 days or so. A High pressure area in the English Channel is bathing Southern areas of England and Wales in fine and dry weather today with sunny spells making it feel warm after the clearance of chilly early morning  mist and fog. Further North winds are more defined from the SW with cloud and patchy rain at times, heavy in the NW. Through the next few days the North will stay changeable with some rain at times and the South will become cloudier but still mostly dry until midweek. High pressure then is likely to transfer towards the West and NW of the UK allowing a cold front in association with Low pressure moving South to the East of Britain to bring a spell of light rain to all followed by much colder and brighter skies. This then sets up a much colder regime than we have seen thus far this Autumn with sunny spells by day but very chilly night when frost and fog become probable, more so in the North and West. The South and East may become rather chilly and unsettled by next weekend as showers from a Continental Low advances across from the East. Winds are expected to freshen too from the NE accentuating the cold feel here.


GFS then shows the UK remaining under cooler and more changeable conditions thereafter with the Atlantic bringing further Low pressure in to join our own home based model during Week 2 with rain at times and temperatures lower than of late. The rain could be heavy at times with strong winds locally.


UKMO shows High pressure up to the NE of the UK with a ridge towards Scotland next weekend. Southern England would be afflicted with a chilly and strong ENE flow with cloudy skies and the risk of a little rain at times in association with a Low pressure area over the near Continent. Mist, frost and fog would be likely in the North.


GEM holds High pressure closer in, over NW Britain next weekend limiting the effects of any cool NE flow over the South for a while longer before it too shows it making inroads into the UK from the East early the following week with some showers and temperatures close to normal. Cool night would result in mist, fog and a touch of frost too. that most likely in the NW.


NAVGEM concludes it's run with High pressure receding East over scandinavia with a ridge to Scotland weakening. An Easterly drift is shown to be strengthening over Southern britain with cloudy, grey skies likely and temperatures having fallen back to average late this week. Again mist, fog and a touch of frost are all possible by night, especially in the North.


ECM brings a strong ENE flow over the South at the end of the week which would no doubt feel cold under the likely cloudy skies with occasional rain as Low pressure settled close to the SE. the north would stay dry and brighter close to receding High pressure to the NE with bright days and the chance of mist, fog and frost patches by night. At the end of the run the winds have decreased as pressure has become slack over the UK with a few showers still floating around in misty and rather cloudy conditions as well as quite cool conditions too overall.


The GFS Ensembles show a marked drop in uppers midweek behind the cold front. thereafter a slow recovery to more average conditions at the surface look likely with occasional rain or showers following a fine start to this week. in the South. No huge amounts of rain are indicated though by any model at this range and certainly not much in the way of strong winds considering we are well into October.


The Jet Stream to the NW of Britain is now expected to turn sharply South over the UK midweek with a cut off Low developing close to the SE with the main flow well North of the UK over Iceland and Northern Scandinavia. There are signs thereafter this morning that ot could realign much further south towards Southern Europe in week 2.


In Summary a change to the weather is on the way. The models were quite late in picking up this change but have now all come together in their prognosis. A cold front slipping South on Wednesday will pull in much colder Autumnal air to all areas. The North and West close to repositioned High pressure close by will become dry with the early week rain having moved away while Southern areas though dry for a while become under attack from Low pressure over Europe which looks like feeding rather cold raw and perhaps strong NE winds and occasional rain or showers. Longer term it looks like changeable conditions will ensue with not much sign of a return to the current warm uppers across Britain though it doesn't look like turning particularly chilly as yet. Nevertheless, some areas particularly in the North could see their first frosts of the season later this week but at least with the injection of drier air midweek fogs look less likely to be widespread from this morning's output.


Transcript taken from:-http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


Martin G
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ARTzeman
06 October 2013 08:15:42

Thank You Martin.


 


ECM doing a grand job...


Must check the heating.






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06 October 2013 08:54:53

A great analysis, even if it means that we'll have to turn the heating on ...


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Matty H
06 October 2013 09:48:56
The models have, indeed, handled this poorly, which nicely highlights the folly of anyone watching the CFS updates to see what it will do in January 😂
Gooner
06 October 2013 09:58:58

The models have, indeed, handled this poorly, which nicely highlights the folly of anyone watching the CFS updates to see what it will do in January LOL

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Or any update past 168


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