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some faraway beach
28 October 2013 08:05:43




 


I reckon it's next weekend we need to be more concerned about I reckon.


Originally Posted by: roger63 


 


That's a lot of reckoning!


Originally Posted by: Tractor Boy 


The 144h UKMO looks a bit concerning but  too  far in the synoptic future to worry about.(sorry can't post links at present)


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


Now where have I seen this sequence before?


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?nh=0&ech=120&carte=1021


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?nh=0&ech=144&carte=1021


Has the UKMO simply cut and pasted this weekend's charts?


GFS has things further north but deeper and the effects more widespread.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?nh=0&ech=144&carte=1021


ECM closer to UKMO but less deep:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=144&mode=1&map=0&archive=0


2 miles west of Taunton, 32 m asl, where "milder air moving in from the west" becomes SNOWMAGEDDON.
Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.
Gooner
28 October 2013 08:17:36

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1561.png


Another stormy period looms


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


JoeShmoe99
28 October 2013 08:44:30

Looks like another major storm next weekend, this one develops perhaps more 'normally' so should be easier to forecast nearer the time but a suatained period of very strong winds possibly


GFS esp. looks nasty for the north


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1621.png

Gusty
28 October 2013 09:05:19

Despite the complexities of the developing storm it was well modelled with adequate sensible warnings and was well forecasted by the Met Office in the 12 hours leading up to the event. Affected areas were a little further south in the end, hence the reasom why places just missed out on the strongest of the winds. 


The media did over hype things with words like 'Mega Storm, Killer Hurricane' etc etc


Gusts did peak in the 70-80mph range as forecasted. A lot of trees are down, it is a mess out there.


The advanced warnings allowed emergency planners to get their contingency plans in place. A lot of work has gone on behind the scenes for the last 3 days thanks to the warnings and advice.


It is no flluke of luck that most of the major road networks in southern Britain are moving fairly freely this morning 


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ARTzeman
28 October 2013 09:09:04

Thank you Martin for your output...


Not sure I like the thought of floods again after last years fields ended up awashed..


 






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Others just get wet.
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Charmhills
28 October 2013 09:18:35

Very unsettled set of runs this morning after a lull around the middle of the week.


Flooding could be an issue of some of the runs verify.


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
Gandalf The White
28 October 2013 12:44:09


Looks like another major storm next weekend, this one develops perhaps more 'normally' so should be easier to forecast nearer the time but a suatained period of very strong winds possibly


GFS esp. looks nasty for the north


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1621.png


Originally Posted by: JoeShmoe99 


Yes, there's quite good agreement across all the models on there being low pressure bang over us or very close by.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2013102800/ECM1-144.GIF?28-12 


6http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2013102800/UW144-21.GIF?28-06 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013102806/gfs-0-138.png?6 


GFS is slighly slower bringing it over the UK but it ends up looking like the Euros 12-18 hours later.


NAVGEM and GEM are very similar.  Even the ECM mean puts the LP over the top of us


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2013102800/EDM1-144.GIF?28-12 


It looks very dry through the south Midlands into East Anglia for most of this week before the LP arrives.  As has been noted, other areas look exceedingly wet still.  GFS cumulative rainfall over the next 7 days


http://91.121.16.5/modeles_gfs/runs/2013102806/168-777.GIF?28-6 


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Gooner
28 October 2013 13:29:53

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1501.png


This doesn't look too clever for those further North later in the week


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gavin P
28 October 2013 14:37:38

Hi all,


Here's todays video update;


Remaining Very Unsettled Next 8-10 Days:


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


As already stated up thread, the prospect of another major storm at the weekend and no sign of much improvement beyond that.


It's hard to see what's going to break us out of this unsettled phase at the moment...


Rural West Northants 120m asl
Short, medium and long range weather forecast videos @ https://www.youtube.com/user/GavsWeatherVids
The Beast from the East
28 October 2013 15:22:08

As Sundays storm will probably be affecting the north mostly, I suspect it wont get half the publicity as today's event.


 


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Gandalf The White
28 October 2013 16:12:06


Hi all,


Here's todays video update;


Remaining Very Unsettled Next 8-10 Days:


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


As already stated up thread, the prospect of another major storm at the weekend and no sign of much improvement beyond that.


It's hard to see what's going to break us out of this unsettled phase at the moment...


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


A New Year perhaps........?



Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


doctormog
28 October 2013 16:41:54
It looks increasingly like next weekend will also have some form of storm hitting some part of the UK. At this stage details would only be guesswork but the GFS model especially has been very consistent about a storm crossing the UK next Sunday.

This theme continues on the 12z op run:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1441.png 
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1501.png 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.gif 

In one word, unsettled.
Fun in the Sun
28 October 2013 16:43:07

GFS has toned down the storm for Sunday on the 12z it's further south and less deep (at 144h)


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013102812/gfs-0-144.png?12


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013102812/gfs-0-150.png?12


 


UKMO at 144h:


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2013102812/UW144-21.GIF?28-17


 


All academic really still as it's FI.


 


EDIT Michael you beat me to it!


Ed
Location: Teddington SW London 14m asl

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Gavin P
28 October 2013 17:10:50



Hi all,


Here's todays video update;


Remaining Very Unsettled Next 8-10 Days:


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


As already stated up thread, the prospect of another major storm at the weekend and no sign of much improvement beyond that.


It's hard to see what's going to break us out of this unsettled phase at the moment...


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


A New Year perhaps........?



Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Rural West Northants 120m asl
Short, medium and long range weather forecast videos @ https://www.youtube.com/user/GavsWeatherVids
Snowfan
28 October 2013 17:14:11



Hi all,


Here's todays video update;


Remaining Very Unsettled Next 8-10 Days:


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


As already stated up thread, the prospect of another major storm at the weekend and no sign of much improvement beyond that.


It's hard to see what's going to break us out of this unsettled phase at the moment...


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


A New Year perhaps........?



Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


 


I suspect this stormy weather will help us break out of the mild spell - just came out of work and realised the temperature was a good 5 degrees or more lower than this morning, I was freezing!!! Maybe that's why the charts are so unsettled, because there are more storms to come before we emerge in early Winter?


"Let It Snow, Let It Snow, Let It Snow! "
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Charmhills
28 October 2013 17:15:18


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1501.png


Severe gales for England and Wales especially.


P,S. cheers Gav.


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
Gooner
28 October 2013 17:15:41




Hi all,


Here's todays video update;


Remaining Very Unsettled Next 8-10 Days:


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


As already stated up thread, the prospect of another major storm at the weekend and no sign of much improvement beyond that.


It's hard to see what's going to break us out of this unsettled phase at the moment...


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


A New Year perhaps........?



Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Probably right but with colder interludes


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Nordic Snowman
28 October 2013 18:54:59





Hi all,


Here's todays video update;


Remaining Very Unsettled Next 8-10 Days:


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


As already stated up thread, the prospect of another major storm at the weekend and no sign of much improvement beyond that.


It's hard to see what's going to break us out of this unsettled phase at the moment...


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


A New Year perhaps........?



Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Probably right but with colder interludes


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


I agree. The pattern seems established now and I wouldn't bet against a mild December to follow on from a mild November... based on past patterns. Colder interludes are inevitable but will probably come with brief NW or N'ly incursions. The Azores HP is setting itself up nicely and we now face a train of Lows to zip eastwards into Scandi.


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GIBBY
28 October 2013 19:23:43

Good evening. Here is the report on the 12 noon outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Monday October 28th 2013.


All models show the St Jude's storm now long gone away to the NE. A rather chilly and showery NW flow will affect the UK tonight and tomorrow with the majority of the showers towards the North and West. pressure will be rising steadily and a ridge crossing East through Wednesday will kill off the showers and give a drier interlude for most. However, a cold front moving in from theWest will bring increasing cloud, wind and rain in from the Atlantic reaching all parts by Wednesday night. Thursday will be a benign sort of day in the South with a lot of dry weather and just the odd shower. The North could see a greater chance of rain and by Friday the weather begins to slide downhill again a new deep Low pressure centre to the West of Ireland moving across the UK over the start of the weekend with spells of heavy rain and showers for all. All through this week the temperatures will never be far away from the seasonal average but it will feel rather chillier than of late.


GFS then takes us through Week 2 with a strong Westerly flow maintained for much of the period though with short quieter spells in the South. This would continue to mean spells of rain at times but with some drier and less windy interludes in the South. The temperatures will remain well up to average given winds remain from a Westerly source. Late in the run a major pressure build from the South over the Atlantic brings dry weather for all with mostly dry weather with some clear skies overnight and some frost and fog patches possible.


UKMO closes it's run with Low pressure clearing slowly away to the East with a strong and windy NW flow over the UK with showers or longer spells of rain continuing.


GEM tonight shows deep Low pressure almost continually settled to the North of Scotland with strong Westerly winds, spells of rain and average temperatures for all of the UK with some heavy rain in places at times.


NAVGEM looks like keeping unsettled weather going indefinately over the UK as the bandwagon of Low pressure areas clear to the East and approach from the West and NW beyond the term of the run.


ECM too shows a very unsettled and windy weekend to come with little sign of any significant improvements thereafter. It will feel quite cold fr a time as winds switch Northerly briefly but a weak transient ridge moving East kills the Northerly flow quickly and re-opens the gates to the West but in a much more medramatic fashion in quite mild conditions.


The GFS Ensembles show a very sine wave style pattern over the two weeks as successive air mass changes takes place over the UK behind frontal systems frequently steaming in from the West. The temperature extremes are never particularly marked but  there will be some cold and mild feeling days in among the always rather breezy Westerly flow. The operational run described above is a marked outlier of the cold variety at the end of the run.


The Jet Stream shows the flow streaming across the Atlantic and the Uk for the reliable future before it shows signs of moving further North tonight late in the predictive period.


In Summary tonight the weather looks like staying unsettled and windy for the reliable future. there are some potentially stormy periods especially again towards this weekend. In contrast there is also some windows of drier weather, especially in the South and later in the run as signs of a Northward moving Jet Stream and Low pressure areas on a much more Northerly trajectory are shown. With High pressure then to the South and Low to the North this would once again mean temperatures above average as we move into November. 


transcript taken from:-http://www.norton-ra...is(2859336).htm


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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moomin75
28 October 2013 19:26:23





Hi all,


Here's todays video update;


Remaining Very Unsettled Next 8-10 Days:


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


As already stated up thread, the prospect of another major storm at the weekend and no sign of much improvement beyond that.


It's hard to see what's going to break us out of this unsettled phase at the moment...


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


A New Year perhaps........?



Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Probably right but with colder interludes


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 

Crikey Marcus....That's as close as you come to throwing in the towel....LOL....


I don't think I could put up with this until the new year!


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
moomin75
28 October 2013 19:27:59






Hi all,


Here's todays video update;


Remaining Very Unsettled Next 8-10 Days:


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


As already stated up thread, the prospect of another major storm at the weekend and no sign of much improvement beyond that.


It's hard to see what's going to break us out of this unsettled phase at the moment...


Originally Posted by: Nordic Snowman 


A New Year perhaps........?



Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Probably right but with colder interludes


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


I agree. The pattern seems established now and I wouldn't bet against a mild December to follow on from a mild November... based on past patterns. Colder interludes are inevitable but will probably come with brief NW or N'ly incursions. The Azores HP is setting itself up nicely and we now face a train of Lows to zip eastwards into Scandi.


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 

I agree Mike. This is what I was alluding to in the Winter forum...This pattern, once it locks in, can prove an extremely stubborn beast to shift....


No I'm not saying winter is over!! LOL....But I think certainly we are looking increasingly likely to see a mild and unsettled first half of November. Where we go from there is anyone's guess.


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
Medlock Vale Weather
28 October 2013 20:14:01







Hi all,


Here's todays video update;


Remaining Very Unsettled Next 8-10 Days:


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


As already stated up thread, the prospect of another major storm at the weekend and no sign of much improvement beyond that.


It's hard to see what's going to break us out of this unsettled phase at the moment...


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


A New Year perhaps........?



Originally Posted by: Nordic Snowman 


Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Probably right but with colder interludes


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


I agree. The pattern seems established now and I wouldn't bet against a mild December to follow on from a mild November... based on past patterns. Colder interludes are inevitable but will probably come with brief NW or N'ly incursions. The Azores HP is setting itself up nicely and we now face a train of Lows to zip eastwards into Scandi.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

I agree Mike. This is what I was alluding to in the Winter forum...This pattern, once it locks in, can prove an extremely stubborn beast to shift....


No I'm not saying winter is over!! LOL....But I think certainly we are looking increasingly likely to see a mild and unsettled first half of November. Where we go from there is anyone's guess.


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Yep the CFS model was going for a dry November, but the start of month looks anything but dry, who knows the middle and end could be when pressure builds.


 http://images.meteociel.fr/im/2658/cfs-4-11-2013_rvo1.png


Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
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Hippydave
28 October 2013 20:27:50

Shame this thread is so quiet at the moment - some really interesting weather atm and more stormy charts on show, which have been a bit sparse over the last few years.


GFS toys with the idea of sending a couple of LPs over the country that would give gales or severe gales to some, before going a bit loopy in deepest FI and trying to kill Scandinavia....


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3601.png


Outside of the defined LPs this little runner looks interesting at t96


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn961.png


Out in FI Scotland would probably be moved a little bit to the East if this one came off:-


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3121.png


UKMO also manages to bring a fairly active depression right over the country by t144 leading to strong winds and wet weather for all and before that has a go at some comedy with an entertaing <ahem> spread of LPs...


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm961.gif


Would guess all this is due to the strong jet and cold air flooding over the mild Atlantic, which will continue throwing up interesting weather for a while.


Winter can wait it's turn


 


Home: Tunbridge Wells
Work: Tonbridge
Gooner
28 October 2013 21:02:50






Hi all,


Here's todays video update;


Remaining Very Unsettled Next 8-10 Days:


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


As already stated up thread, the prospect of another major storm at the weekend and no sign of much improvement beyond that.


It's hard to see what's going to break us out of this unsettled phase at the moment...


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


A New Year perhaps........?



Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Probably right but with colder interludes


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Crikey Marcus....That's as close as you come to throwing in the towel....LOL....


I don't think I could put up with this until the new year!


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Steady old bean


I just think it will be the last quarter of December and the first half of January when we get our winter weather


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
28 October 2013 23:52:29

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3841.png


Deepest FI , HP ends in an ideal place for cooler conditions


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


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