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roger63
Friday, November 8, 2013 10:51:05 AM


Very changeable set of runs this morning with brief, chilly ridges and sharp troughs.


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


Latest GFS does not show any sign of HP build to the  west or north.Up to the 24th their are occasional ridges from HP to the south but on the whole the endless caravan of LP's moving across the Atlantic keeps the HP in its box.

Polar Low
Friday, November 8, 2013 11:09:06 AM

Thats what Charmhills is also saying Roger as in http://www.weathercharts.org/ukmomslp.htm have a look throu as in ridges and troughs etc


 


 




Very changeable set of runs this morning with brief, chilly ridges and sharp troughs.


Originally Posted by: roger63 


Latest GFS does not show any sign of HP build to the  west or north.Up to the 24th their are occasional ridges from HP to the south but on the whole the endless caravan of LP's moving across the Atlantic keeps the HP in its box.


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 

JACKO4EVER
Friday, November 8, 2013 11:39:00 AM

http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/ecmimages/20131108/00/ecmt850.216.png


 


This looks fairly entrenched to my untrained eye- certainly IMO this will continue to mid month at the very least- could be longer. Nothing at all in any output I have seen suggesting a cool down- but the Northern contingent may see some transient wintry conditions from time to time over the Scottish mountains as is completely normal for this time of year.


November may well end up a very wet month indeed.

Gandalf The White
Friday, November 8, 2013 12:03:10 PM


http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/ecmimages/20131108/00/ecmt850.216.png


 


This looks fairly entrenched to my untrained eye- certainly IMO this will continue to mid month at the very least- could be longer. Nothing at all in any output I have seen suggesting a cool down- but the Northern contingent may see some transient wintry conditions from time to time over the Scottish mountains as is completely normal for this time of year.


November may well end up a very wet month indeed.


Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


The ECM ensemble mean for London has been consistent in signalling a cool down next week.  if anything the trend has been to slightly cooler conditions, with highs of 7-8 and lows of 4-5. Add to that very few mild options.


http://www.weathercast.co.uk/services/ensemble-forecast.html 


The Op was an almost unsupported mild option for Day 10. 


What has also been consistent in the ECM runs for a day or so is the ensemble mean putting the main low pressure centre between Iceland and Norway by Day 10


SLP:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2013110800/EDH1-240.GIF?08-12 


500hPa anomaly:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2013110800/EDH101-240.GIF?08-12 


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


GlenH
Friday, November 8, 2013 12:40:26 PM

GEM continutes the interesting outlook at 240:


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem2401.gif


 


 


p.s. the 'transitory wintery conditions' in the highlands have enabled Cairngorm mountain to open for skiing this weekend, which is not usual for early november.

Ally Pally Snowman
Friday, November 8, 2013 1:43:09 PM

 


ECM32 Dayer trending colder but perhaps not Dec 2010 yet.


MATT HUGO TWITTER


"Latest EC32 showing signs of an Atlantic ridge longer term, with perhaps a colder N or NW'ly type across the UK final third of Nov."


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Ally Pally Snowman
Friday, November 8, 2013 1:47:48 PM

 


Other models also trending colder for the end of November.


MATT HUGO TWITTER


 


"All 00Z ensemble models (GFS, NAEFS, GEM) showing this; higher pressure to the W, lower to the E = colder N or NW'ly"


 


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Gavin P
Friday, November 8, 2013 1:53:37 PM

Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


Typhoon Haiyan, JMA Monthly and Winter 13-14;


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


JMA longer term looks a lot of what Matt Hugo is tweeting about, BTW.


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Tractor Boy
Friday, November 8, 2013 2:04:41 PM

In the much shorter term, the GFS 06z Op shows a much drier day in the south tomorrow than, say, 06Z NAE and the ENS...


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


Would make for a nicer Saturday than forecast in the south if its onto something.


Dave
Farndale, North York Moors
Jonesy
Friday, November 8, 2013 2:48:28 PM


Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


Typhoon Haiyan, JMA Monthly and Winter 13-14;


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


JMA longer term looks a lot of what Matt Hugo is tweeting about, BTW.


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Thanks Gavin ... roll on end of the Month


Medway Towns (Kent)
The Weather will do what it wants, when it wants, no matter what data is thrown at it !
Sevendust
Friday, November 8, 2013 3:00:03 PM



Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


Typhoon Haiyan, JMA Monthly and Winter 13-14;


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


JMA longer term looks a lot of what Matt Hugo is tweeting about, BTW.


Originally Posted by: Jonesy 


Thanks Gavin ... roll on Spring 


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Indeed - meanwhile things remain zonal though hopefully drier next week

Jonesy
Friday, November 8, 2013 3:23:29 PM




Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


Typhoon Haiyan, JMA Monthly and Winter 13-14;


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


JMA longer term looks a lot of what Matt Hugo is tweeting about, BTW.


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Thanks Gavin ... roll on Spring 


Originally Posted by: Jonesy 


Indeed - meanwhile things remain zonal though hopefully drier next week


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


LOL at editing my post


Medway Towns (Kent)
The Weather will do what it wants, when it wants, no matter what data is thrown at it !
Polar Low
Friday, November 8, 2013 4:00:02 PM

Yes that would be a nice change if this 6z gfs means comes off.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rnz500m7.html


very very wet here now could do with that


 





Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


Typhoon Haiyan, JMA Monthly and Winter 13-14;


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


JMA longer term looks a lot of what Matt Hugo is tweeting about, BTW.


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Thanks Gavin ... roll on Spring 


Originally Posted by: Jonesy 


Indeed - meanwhile things remain zonal though hopefully drier next week


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 

briggsy6
Friday, November 8, 2013 5:00:48 PM

A lovely H.P. dominated chart there Polar Low, and it's almost into the reliable timeframe also.


Location: Uxbridge
Gooner
Friday, November 8, 2013 5:18:12 PM

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3361.png


This is where we should be


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn33617.png


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Polar Low
Friday, November 8, 2013 5:40:48 PM
GIBBY
Friday, November 8, 2013 7:13:43 PM

Good evening and welcome to my evening review of the 12 noon outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Friday November 8th 2013.


All models seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet now with regard to the pattern and sequence of events between now and the middle of the next week. An unstable Westerly flow is blowing across the UK and it has steadily become rather colder of late. This trend continues tonight and tomorrow with showers at times, mostly in the West with a longer spell of rain in the South tomorrow as a trough passes. This is then followed by a strong rise in pressure through Saturday night and Sunday allowing light winds and a frost to develop. Sunday will then be a cold and crisp Remembrance Day with long sunny spells only giving way to cloudier skies later from the West as an active warm front approaches. This crosses the UK Sunday night with a spell of wet and breezy weather for all. Conditions then improve slowly from the NW on Monday as a cold front slips SE but the South will remain cloudy and mild till very late in the day. Tuesday will be a bright and fresh day with some sunshine but it will feel chilly before strong winds, milder and duller weather with rain returns across many parts midweek heaviest over the North and West.


GFS then shows a change later in the week as another cold front moving SE over Britain delivers a spell of rain before clearer and colder conditions take hold under developing anticyclonic conditions by the weekend. From then on with slack pressure over the UK for some considerable time the path is set for cold or rather cold and foggy conditions to develop with frost in places too and fog lingering all day too in places. Late in the run things turn colder still has High pressure develops on the Northern flank of a Southward sinking depression over Iberia with an East flow developing across the South with occasional rain giving way to cold and misty conditions which will also be experienced over the North in the interim days.


UKMO closes it's run tonight with a cold Northerly flow, especially over the East as High pressure rests close to the SW of Ireland at 1040mbs. Some cold showers would be likely in the East for a time before the most likely scenario of rather cloudy benign conditions from off the North Atlantic developing over the days that follow with average temperatures.


GEM illustrates the UKMO pattern well tonight moving indeed forward to bring milder Atlantic winds to end next week prior to a cold front bringing a rinse and repeat pattern of alternating milder and colder weather with a little rain, chiefly over the North and East.


NAVGEM topples a ridge down over the UK from the NW and develops it into an elongated High pressure area lying West to East across Central England and on into Europe. Dry weather would develop for many and if clearances in cloud permit a good deal of mist and fog would likely form across central and Southern Britain by next weekend, stubborn to clear in the daytime and making it feel rather cold away from the milder far North.


ECM tonight shows High pressure held down to the SW in it's extended run because of too much energy in the Atlantic train to the North forcing any ridging back South and maintaining an overall mild feed of air across he British Isles with stronger winds in the North with rain bearing fronts crossing East here too on occasion. 


The GFS Ensembles are trending downwards in temperature over the coming two weeks. we must take into account the natural seasonal fall off in average temperature is quite marked at this time of year so overall temperatures remain never far from the seasonal normal. With High pressure around on some of the members outputs including the operational run described here conditions at the surface don't always reflect the uppers above so there could be some cold and foggy weather to be found in among these ensembles.


The Jet Stream forecast is that the flow currently blowing across the UK is destined to pull Northward next week to run ENE well to the NW of Scotland and then down over Europe at least for a time.


In Summary tonight it's more of the same from the models with alternating milder and colder phases of weather when rain at times on fronts affect all areas at times but more frequently and meaningful over Northern Britain. There seems no way out of the current Atlantic bandwagon with High pressure at least moving in closer to SW Britain damping down the rain in the South next week but at the same time keeping any really cold weather bottled harmlessly well away from British shores for the time being.


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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idj20
Friday, November 8, 2013 7:33:28 PM

Cheers Martin, That'll do me as there are good windows of opportunities to get the roof patched up. Also handy that there doesn't seem to be any of that yukky stormy winds in the foreseeable future.



Folkestone Harbour. 
Polar Low
Friday, November 8, 2013 7:55:02 PM

Thanks Martin

Polar Low
Friday, November 8, 2013 7:59:17 PM

 us coldies still have hope ecm nice at grenny at 240 I like the look of that pv shame its at 240  a long way out.


looks better in nh view


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=240&mode=1&map=1&archive=0


 


 

Matty H
Friday, November 8, 2013 8:19:26 PM
Thanks Martin. The status quo continues for the foreseeable.
Hungry Tiger
Friday, November 8, 2013 8:40:09 PM



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Stormchaser
Friday, November 8, 2013 8:53:02 PM

Even just having the PV drop to lower latitudes for a time can produce interesting results if it heads to the right place(s).


Something to keep an eye on at long last


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Polar Low
Friday, November 8, 2013 8:57:25 PM

What would day 11 ecm show...... 


Even just having the PV drop to lower latitudes for a time can produce interesting results if it heads to the right place(s).


Something to keep an eye on at long last


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 

David M Porter
Friday, November 8, 2013 9:10:48 PM



http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3361.png


This is where we should be


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn33617.png


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 



Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Deep FI of course, but would be pretty interesting if it did somehow come off when the time comes.


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