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Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:20:37 PM
The drivel was coming outt of Lord Lawson's mouth!....unless of course you totally ignore the scientific evidence..
Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:21:55 PM
The drivel was coming outt of Lord Lawson's mouth!....unless of course you totally ignore the scientific evidence..
Quantum
Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:32:23 PM

High res NASA model 12z running now, should be interesting.


Cold uppers so far! 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/geos/runs/2013111412/geos-1-90.png?15-00


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:39:54 PM

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/geos/runs/2013111412/geos-0-102.png?15-00


 


Bloody hell, heavy snow moving down from the NW!


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gooner
Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:47:13 PM


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/geos/runs/2013111412/geos-0-102.png?15-00


 


Bloody hell, heavy snow moving down from the NW!


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Links don't work


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


moomin75
Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:49:13 PM

Can't post the link, but my god, the 18z GFS control run is just ridiculous....The polar vortex has left the arctic and plonked itself in the north sea.


It would be a national crisis IF a chart like that ever came off.


Thankfully, there's no chance of that!


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
Sevendust
Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:50:26 PM






http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013111418/gfsnh-1-300.png?18


Quite different from the previous , all the cold air which was over Europe as gone


Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 

Well that's it then...winter is over!


Originally Posted by: moomin75 



I should add , but will be back tomorrow


Originally Posted by: Gooner 

Haha...good addition.....


Just got to add this (just for Matty H)....this is my favourite snow video on Youtube...Always watch it when I want to get into snow mood...and all in sunny old Bristol.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spJIrFQZWu8


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Forget that - Check out this one!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poQZxuH8l5g 


 

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


This ones better


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-7cQ-HOxdM

Gooner
Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:51:44 PM


Can't post the link, but my god, the 18z GFS control run is just ridiculous....The polar vortex has left the arctic and plonked itself in the north sea.


It would be a national crisis IF a chart like that ever came off.


Thankfully, there's no chance of that!


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/run/gensnh-0-1-348.png?18


 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:57:50 PM

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/brack4.gif


528 gone over the S Coast , some disturbances also in the flow


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


SEMerc
Friday, November 15, 2013 12:04:44 AM


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/brack4.gif


528 gone over the S Coast , some disturbances also in the flow


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


I wouldn't get too excited (in the South at least) as it's a maritime fetch rather than a continental one.

SEMerc
Friday, November 15, 2013 12:08:21 AM

The drivel was coming outt of Lord Lawson's mouth!....unless of course you totally ignore the scientific evidence..

Originally Posted by: chichesterweatherfan 


And presumably that's why we've also just witnessed the quietest Atlantic hurricane season in 45 years.

Retron
Friday, November 15, 2013 4:27:05 AM



I'm a bit worried seeing such charts so early. I'd rather they came around in a month or so - a snowbound lead-up to Xmas again would be fantastic.


Of course, we could get a repeating pattern of northern blocking as we've seen often in recent years, but I think that's a long shot.


Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 


But in 2010 we had charts similar to this at this point... AND we had a snowbound Christmas!


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


FWIW, it was around now that the first signs of what to come were showing up in the medium-range charts:


http://oi40.tinypic.com/4hfqxe.jpg


http://oi40.tinypic.com/2s1m4ip.jpg


Leysdown, north Kent
Devonian
Friday, November 15, 2013 7:39:57 AM

Briefly (off topic apologies), check out the drivel on BBC1 Question Time right NOW....
Some dullard in the audience asked whether Typhoon Haiyan is because of man made climate change and the dullard politicians (apart from Nigel Lawson), said yes it is.
Frustrates the hell out of me. Lord Lawson had it right though!

Originally Posted by: moomin75 



Ah ha, so that is where anthro stuff got into this thread. Such stuff belongs in the climate forum.

As to the models, its looking unpleasantly chilly 👎 .
The Beast from the East
Friday, November 15, 2013 7:49:35 AM


 


FWIW, it was around now that the first signs of what to come were showing up in the medium-range charts:


http://oi40.tinypic.com/4hfqxe.jpg


http://oi40.tinypic.com/2s1m4ip.jpg


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Is Darren starting to ramp!


 


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Maunder Minimum
Friday, November 15, 2013 7:55:15 AM



http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/brack4.gif


528 gone over the S Coast , some disturbances also in the flow


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


I wouldn't get too excited (in the South at least) as it's a maritime fetch rather than a continental one.


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Those winds are coming from a long way north however - would be a snowfest further down the line.


New world order coming.
Gooner
Friday, November 15, 2013 8:13:25 AM



http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/brack4.gif


528 gone over the S Coast , some disturbances also in the flow


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


I wouldn't get too excited (in the South at least) as it's a maritime fetch rather than a continental one.


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


No excitement from me , it is just nice to see som colder weather


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Notty
Friday, November 15, 2013 8:20:19 AM
Whiteout
Friday, November 15, 2013 8:25:11 AM

Pick of the T+144 today goes to UKMO:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.gif


If that were to verify and indeed the T+120 you *could* be looking at some falling snow down south


ECM thought not so good:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1441.gif - HP closer to UK, but has another go later in the run:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2161.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2162.gif - bitter in the NE.


Decent runs overall today, lot's to keep us interested.


Home/Work - Dartmoor
240m/785 ft asl
Gooner
Friday, November 15, 2013 8:25:28 AM


Isn't that from last night??


http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/2013/11/15/basis00/ukuk/rart/13112012_2_1500.gif


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Notty
Friday, November 15, 2013 8:30:59 AM


Yes  - thanks for checking


Notty
Pontypool, 132m asl
GIBBY
Friday, November 15, 2013 8:38:09 AM

Hi everyone. Are the synoptic charts bringing what the cold fraternity want this morning. Read on to see what the midnight outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM make of the cold weather potential this morning Friday November 15th 2013.


All models to continue to agree on the course of events of the next 5 days with a spell of quiet and benign weather today, tomorrow and much of Saturday too in the South as pressure is very high to the SW. There will be some chilly and frosty conditions overnight across England and Wales while skies stay cloudier in the far West and North. Later tomorrow a band of rain on a front moves South through Scotland and on South to England through Sunday. Following behind is a more active front on Monday which heralds the arrival of a cold NW flow with showers turning wintry across Northern and Western areas in particular during Tuesday while many Eastern and SE areas become largely dry, bright, breezy and cold.


GFS then shows low pressure developing over the North of the UK which sinks South through Southern England and away further South by the end of the week. A spell of cold rain will slide South over Southern britain with some wintriness over the hills. The north will brighten following sleet and wet snow with sunshine and wintry showers in a keen and strong East flow for a time. By next weekend High pressure has developed South over Scotland with clear, cold and very frosty weather here while the South stays cold, cloudy and windy with occasional light rain. Through the latter stages of the run this morning the fine and cold weather over the North extends to all areas with fog developing too, dense and freezing in places. Temperatures by day begin to rise and later milder air reaches the North with cloudier skies but mostly dry weather while the South clings on to quiet and settled weather with night frost and fog.


UKMO this morning shows very cold weather through the middle of next week with a Northerly flow having swung NE midweek with wintry showers giving way to the threat of more prolonged rain, sleet or wet snow for a time across the South while the NW become drier, cold and more settled with time.


GEM this morning is less interested in a Northerly as such as it brings an innitial push of cold air South prior to midweek with wintry showers in the North and West Tuesday with drier weather for all for a time midweek. Late in the week more deeply unsettled conditions turn up from the North and with chilly air around widespread rain and strong winds will fall as sleet or snow at times, especially on northern hills. The depression responsible ambles around over Southern Britain while filling slowly before a new Low approaches from the SW by the end of the run with wet and windy weather spreading NE with sleet and wet snow possible over hills on its leading edge.


NAVGEM today shows probably the best synoptics long term if it's sustained cold weather your after with Low pressure sinking South across England later next week and away to the South by the weekend when a strong Easterly flow brings raw cold and windy weather with rain, sleet or snow in places, especially over the hills. The North would slowly be turning drier by next weekend but still cold as a High pressure belt lies to the North.


ECM today has broke away from the pack with the innitial cold surge dissolving away to just a day or two of wintry showers, chiefly over the North and West before a ridge dries things out with a frosty interlude midweek. After a brief lull though cold weather does re-intensify later in the week as High pressure is finally allowed to build to the NW with a deep Low close to SE Britain brnging rain, sleet or snow at times across the UK late next week and the weekend with the NW likely to stay the driest then with overnight frosts.


The GFS Ensembles show a marked lowering of uppers for a time next week before the coldness dissolves to levels closer to average later in the run. Rainfall is commonplace throughout the period once the cold weather arrives indicating the close proximity of Low pressure. Some of the precipitation could fall as snow on the hills at times lessening in it's extent with time.


The Jet Stream shows the flow way North of the UK currently turning South over the UK to set up a new arm across Southern Europe next week while the Northern arm detaches and weakens. The Southern arm then becomes the dominant Jet flow remaining South of the UK later in the run.


In Summary there are a few wobbles in the output this morning especially from ECM which just highlights the fragility of the setup needed to bring guaranteed cold to the UK. The main problem is the models failure currently to handle energy moving out of canada preventing an otherwise straightforward passage Northward to the Atlantic High. This morning it is not until that Low has passed that finally ECM plays catch up with the remainder of the output. Nevertheless, despite this the emphasis on this morning's output is a cold one and there is a fairly good chance that some areas will see some snow next week. The extent of such as always is open for controversial debate but I would urge caution for those looking for a white wonderland next week there seems little evidence to excite me that anywhere other than the highest moors of the South will see much with lower ground in the North too just seeing transient temporary slushy falls. However, we are only in mid to late November and such conditions are relatively marked for this time of the season so a surprise or two could be in store for some folk almost anywhere if some of this mornings more extreme charts verify.


Transcript taken from:-http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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idj20
Friday, November 15, 2013 8:44:42 AM

Cheers as always for your level-headed analysis, Martin, and it is postings like those what makes TWO continue to be my favourite forum.

(Sorry for being off topic here).


Folkestone Harbour. 
GIBBY
Friday, November 15, 2013 8:52:15 AM


Cheers as always for your level-headed analysis, Martin, and it is postings like those what makes TWO continue to be my favourite forum.

(Sorry for being off topic here).


Originally Posted by: idj20 


Thanks for the support. 


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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JoeShmoe99
Friday, November 15, 2013 9:43:25 AM

Thanks Martin,. a 2cm covering on Exmoor will still lead to the Express stating there will be widespread blizzards and winter chaos in the south :-)

Andy Woodcock
Friday, November 15, 2013 10:19:08 AM


Now that's better!

Andy Woodcock
Penrith
Cumbria

Altitude 535 feet

"Why are the British so worried about climate change? Any change to their climate can only be an improvement" John Daley 2001
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