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Gooner
Friday, November 15, 2013 4:16:51 PM

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1441.png


HP sinks a bit , no NELy , another option from GFS


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Whiteout
Friday, November 15, 2013 4:19:36 PM

Cold and dry beyond T+120.


Let's see what UKMO says.


Home/Work - Dartmoor
240m/785 ft asl
Gooner
Friday, November 15, 2013 4:23:13 PM


Cold and dry beyond T+120.


Let's see what UKMO says.


Originally Posted by: Whiteout 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013111512/gfsnh-0-162.png?12


Certainly is, can't compain at that can we


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn16817.png


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
Friday, November 15, 2013 4:31:13 PM


http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/2013/11/15/basis12/ukuk/rart/13112012_2_1512.gif


Differs to this a bit


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Friday, November 15, 2013 4:32:51 PM


Would be very surprised if that much snow accumulated. Especially during daylight hours.

warrenb
Friday, November 15, 2013 4:34:00 PM
Can't believe people still rate the GFS. Energy abounds within it's grasp. Don't people learn from previous winters. It is a bucket of poo. Don't even bother looking at it anymore.
Gooner
Friday, November 15, 2013 4:35:22 PM

http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2013111512/UN72-21.GIF?15-17


UKMO out to 72


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


White Meadows
Friday, November 15, 2013 4:37:07 PM
if you had to rate each model, where would you put them on a scale of 1-10 (1 being utter sh!te) starting with GFS?
Polar Low
Friday, November 15, 2013 4:37:17 PM

look at the f 0c level and dew points


http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=ukuk&MODELL=gfs&MODELLTYP=1&BASE=-&VAR=taup&HH=138&ARCHIV=0&ZOOM=0&PERIOD=&WMO=


 




Would be very surprised if that much snow accumulated. Especially during daylight hours.


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

haghir22
Friday, November 15, 2013 4:37:23 PM


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2013111512/UN72-21.GIF?15-17


UKMO out to 72


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


This looks, to my untrained eyes like it's going to be a belter.....


YNWA
Whiteout
Friday, November 15, 2013 4:38:22 PM

UKMO holding firm at T+72


Home/Work - Dartmoor
240m/785 ft asl
Friday, November 15, 2013 4:40:52 PM


look at the f 0c level and dew points


http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=ukuk&MODELL=gfs&MODELLTYP=1&BASE=-&VAR=taup&HH=138&ARCHIV=0&ZOOM=0&PERIOD=&WMO=


 




Would be very surprised if that much snow accumulated. Especially during daylight hours.


Originally Posted by: ManUtdMatt1986 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 



Yeah but becoming less favourable through daylight hours - http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=ukuk&MODELL=gfs&MODELLTYP=1&BASE=-&VAR=taup&HH=144&ZOOM=1&ARCHIV=0&RES=0&WMO=&PERIOD=

Gooner
Friday, November 15, 2013 4:42:28 PM

http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2013111512/UN96-21.GIF?15-17


UKMO @ 96


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
Friday, November 15, 2013 4:44:32 PM

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3721.png


GFS runs out to nothing  Dec 1st


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Polar Low
Friday, November 15, 2013 4:46:31 PM

indeed its only Autumn thou, as a few have said might be a few surprises.


evap coolig etc.




look at the f 0c level and dew points


http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=ukuk&MODELL=gfs&MODELLTYP=1&BASE=-&VAR=taup&HH=138&ARCHIV=0&ZOOM=0&PERIOD=&WMO=


 




Would be very surprised if that much snow accumulated. Especially during daylight hours.


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Originally Posted by: ManUtdMatt1986 



Yeah but becoming less favourable through daylight hours - http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=ukuk&MODELL=gfs&MODELLTYP=1&BASE=-&VAR=taup&HH=144&ZOOM=1&ARCHIV=0&RES=0&WMO=&PERIOD=


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

ITSY
Friday, November 15, 2013 4:47:32 PM


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2013111512/UN96-21.GIF?15-17


UKMO @ 96


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


A vast improvement on GFS at the same timeframe: 

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013111512/gfs-0-96.png?12


 
The UKMO orientation is more Nly than WNWly (ala GFS) with better vertical amplification into Greenland...

 

Gooner
Friday, November 15, 2013 4:49:01 PM

http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2013111512/UN120-21.GIF?15-17


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2013111512/UN144-21.GIF?15-17


UKMO


 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Friday, November 15, 2013 4:50:55 PM


indeed its only Autumn thou, as a few have said might be a few surprises.


evap coolig etc.




look at the f 0c level and dew points


http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=ukuk&MODELL=gfs&MODELLTYP=1&BASE=-&VAR=taup&HH=138&ARCHIV=0&ZOOM=0&PERIOD=&WMO=


 




Would be very surprised if that much snow accumulated. Especially during daylight hours.


Originally Posted by: ManUtdMatt1986 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 



Yeah but becoming less favourable through daylight hours - http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=ukuk&MODELL=gfs&MODELLTYP=1&BASE=-&VAR=taup&HH=144&ZOOM=1&ARCHIV=0&RES=0&WMO=&PERIOD=


Originally Posted by: ManUtdMatt1986 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Yeah, will be a messy week with the details hard to pin down and some "surprise" snowfall possible but not really expecting anything significant to low levels away from the north.

jondg14
Friday, November 15, 2013 4:58:05 PM


http://images.meteociel.fr/im/7806/gfsnh-0-144_uyc7.png


GFS handles the energy very differently around the Southern tip of Greenland making everything flatter. My money is on an outcome closer to UKMO as that is classic GFS inability to handle these kind of synoptics.

Polar Low
Friday, November 15, 2013 5:11:44 PM

 


 trough in a state and break up to our east cant see depth  of cool pool  at that T120 but look forward to fax looks a cold run


it looks like it wants to tease .


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http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2013111512/UN120-21.GIF?15-17


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2013111512/UN144-21.GIF?15-17


UKMO


 


Polar Low
Friday, November 15, 2013 5:19:42 PM
The Beast from the East
Friday, November 15, 2013 5:20:19 PM

I think Steve M said we should throw GFS to the wolves, but the 12z is one of its better runs. Perhaps  just the usual Friday wobble


 


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Polar Low
Friday, November 15, 2013 5:27:35 PM

imo I cant do that I have to take note and see where the opp  sits with its members \i know it has its faults but it is still a very powerful tool.


 



I think Steve M said we should throw GFS to the wolves, but the 12z is one of its better runs. Perhaps  just the usual Friday wobble


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

ITSY
Friday, November 15, 2013 5:28:30 PM

GFS Control, along with a number of other Pertubations on the 12Z suite offer the first snow event of the season for large parts of england next Wednesday morning. 2-5cms maybe, for the higher ground at least. (which is what some snow accumulation charts on the previous page allude to). UKMO at the same time frame offer a similar possibility on the back edge. All goes to show how things can change in a few days, given that only a week ago it was zonal dross and 2 days ago it was snowtastic. All to play for this winter guys. 

FYI, even MBY (low altitute) has a 30% snow risk for the above time period. Probably won't happen, but the point is not all is lost!

http://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?ext=1&x=307&y=103 

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