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johnm1976
Monday, December 16, 2013 1:02:44 PM
On the 12z op run there are signs of pressure build up over Greenland and an interestingly south bound LP at T+384 and some of the ensembles have been/ are toying with rising HP in the Atlantic.

Last night 18z there was a definite scandi high at T+384, or did my eyes deceive me??

Lots of people are quite down, but I think there is going to be a change post christmas to something more amenable for "coldies" - maybe not a big freeze but at least something worthy of January and not late October.

Displacement of the stratospheric vortex is also being consistently modeled in that time frame.
nsrobins
Monday, December 16, 2013 1:23:28 PM

Well I suppose if one keeps posting the pick of charts in the >240hr range something will eventually verify.

There is absolutely nothing wrong in speculation and hypothesis as at least it keeps thuis thread ticking over, it is just that and teh only thing tha tcan be confidently stated is that the zonal, changable train continues for the present.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
Monday, December 16, 2013 1:58:35 PM
Zonality for the USA N Atlantic NW and N Europe thanks to a Strong and packed tight with Storms mild and cold sectors is in the forecasts the rest of December at least upto 28th.

Polar Arctic Vortex quite Large and very cold in Arctic NW and N Canada and N Europe and also N Russia as well and this is linked with Cold Temps in the Arctic Circumpolar Vortex, we get Stormy Low pressure from it.

There is High Pressure in Mid South sections in major Center parts of North. Hemisphere Continents linked with moderate warming of the 10hPa Stratosphere.

I look forward to a major Stratospheric Warming Event late December and Early in January.

And as far as checking the effects of Solar Variability in Earth's Thermosphere I enjoyed learning more from this Article posted I think maybe by Adonai at The Watchers Adorraeli.

http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2013/12/12/the-weak-solar-cycle-and-its-consequences/ 

Just the last attachment left to read and understand.
Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
JACKO4EVER
Monday, December 16, 2013 4:02:46 PM


Evening Marcus.


Possible slight cool down after Christmas shown by those charts but nothing to write home about. If we can just get through the next few days of wind and rain then thats December virtually nailed. I couldn't believe the temperature I recorded last night at 12.2C. I must check the max/min thermometer to see if its working correctly. I have recorded chillier nights in July!


In the meantime some ferocious weather looks on the cards for NW folks. Batten down the hatches!

Gavin P
Monday, December 16, 2013 4:49:11 PM

Hi all,


Have been Christmas shopping, so I'm very, very late with today's video update, but here it is;


JMA Cold Late Winter Hints + Stormy Christmas;


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Does look like some potentially very significant wind at some point over the Christmas Holidays. Shades of 1997, maybe?


Rural West Northants 120m asl
Short, medium and long range weather forecast videos @ https://www.youtube.com/user/GavsWeatherVids
RobN
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Monday, December 16, 2013 4:56:11 PM


Does look like some potentially very significant wind at some point over the Christmas Holidays.


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Best avoid the sprouts if possible - third in the league table of windy vegetables (according to a leading supermarket).


Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
Gavin P
Monday, December 16, 2013 5:08:26 PM



Does look like some potentially very significant wind at some point over the Christmas Holidays.


Originally Posted by: RobN 


Best avoid the sprouts if possible - third in the league table of windy vegetables (according to a leading supermarket).


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 



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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
Monday, December 16, 2013 5:37:09 PM
Aww, The 12z UKMO is all good for Wet Chilly Cool and Very Windy Weather with Rain, Hail and Hill Wet Snow possible- this applies from 12z Today right upto 12z Sunday 21st Dec.

If one were to compare it to the same Period for 12z GFS- then GFS I think is not that Awesome!.

Still plenty of Weather Action is on it's way Wednesday- Thursday and again p.m. Friday and Saturday also Qiute Wet and Windy, maybe later Sunday a small ridge on it's way for the SW and South.

Monday and Tuesday and beyond- GFS is mixed up down temperatures with regular WNW or NW Flow and often direct PV Low Pressure cross N Atlantic and UK to N Europe.
Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
Rob K
Monday, December 16, 2013 5:37:50 PM
http://www.met.reading.ac.uk/~brugge/amextremes.html  ) but I am really not seeing the excessive mildness people are going on about in the charts. The 850mb temps are around average for much of the run - ie below 0C over most of the UK except in brief warm sectors. Temperatures in the run-up to Xmas look like maxing out between 6 and 10C most days.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3001.png 

Certainly not a hugely mild outlook after this week.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Charmhills
Monday, December 16, 2013 5:43:47 PM
Rob K
Monday, December 16, 2013 6:11:14 PM
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png 

But probably not worth taking much notice of given the massive amount of scatter. Trying to pin down detail is pretty pointless as minor changes in the track of each successive storm could have a huge effect on the chances of any wintriness over Christmas.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
Monday, December 16, 2013 6:16:01 PM
Evening all,

Oh dear, We are on High Alert for Tuesday Evening, 16th and and Throughout Wednesday and Thursday 17th and 18th December- not nondescript but Breaking News Capable Tropical Severe Gale Storm Force Depression UK to be hit then it will cross West SW Norwegian Sea NW tip of Norway will may also be hit by it.

This also as shown on the UKMO Fax Charts and Meteociel UKMO be on Emergancy Flooding Nationwide and Electricity Power Cuts could also occur Widely- Uprooted Trees and Dangerous for Drivers pre- xmas Journey's e.g on the Road.

Prepare to Rescue in this event any Vulnerable People and be Aware of large Trees uprooting possibilities.

This could last 72 hours even on Friday for the NW still around for them - while by that time South and SE Briain will see wind Moderating, heavy wintry showers and hill snow plus hail and Thunder Possible across large parts of the UK T850 hPa Temps are in the range of 0 to -6 during part of this upcoming by Wdnesday Night and Thursday especially.
Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
KevBrads1
Monday, December 16, 2013 7:26:02 PM
ECM Manchester hints of snow on Christmas Day?

http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/England/Manchester/long.html 
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GIBBY
Monday, December 16, 2013 7:55:04 PM

Hi everyone. Here is tonight's look at the 12 noon outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Monday December 16th 2013.


All models continue the unsettled and often windy theme with High pressure to the South and very deep Low pressure to the North and NW. The next 24 hours will see the High to the South throw a ridge across England and Wales tonight and tomorrow with the rain belt here currently clearing away East overnight. Some mist and fog will develop with a fair day tomorrow before gales and heavy rain sweep back over the UK on Wednesday with colder still windy and showery weather on Thursday with wintry showers in the North. The end of the week and weekend sees strong winds and rain never far away from the UK as the status-quo synoptically is maintained though milder conditions will be featured more than the slightly colder and showery weather over the weekend.


GFS then shows the run up to Christmas as very unsettled and often wet and temperatures will slowly lose their mild status as lower uppers associated with deep low pressure dig in over the UK. With a powerful jet stream still evident close to the UK some powerful storm systems look possible over the Christmas Holiday with severe gale or storm force winds possible with a lot of rain too at times mixed with spells of wintry showers, especially over the North. A short spell of colder northerly winds is shown by the operational tonight as we move towards the New Year but it is very short-lived as milder, windy and changeable conditions return over the New Year period with rain at times.


UKMO shows a broad Westerly flow across the UK next Sunday with showers or longer spells of rain moving swiftly East in the flow with fluctuating temperatures ranging from rather chilly early in the day and milder by Sunday night as the next Low approaches.


GEM also indicates a very volatile run up to Christmas with strong and often mild SW winds and spells of rain blowing through on the wind with some rather chillier and more showery conditions over the North at times. Christmas shows a very unsettled period with Boxing Day tonight looking particularly wild and wet with storm force winds and heavy rain followed by squally showers.


NAVGEM too shows a very unsettled start to next week with a strong WSW wind delivering spells of rain in largely mild conditions.


ECM shows deteriorating conditions next week with mild and wet weather on most days culminating a in colder and even deeper unsettled conditions over the Christmas period with spells of rain falling as snow at times over the hills along with the risk of severe gales with damaging gusts as surface temperatures fall close to or a little below average.


The GFS Ensembles tonight show a continual period of average uppers over the UK made up from members showing alternating days of milder then chillier conditions without ever becoming particularly cold. With regard to precipitation there is copious amounts of rainfall shown throughout the period and at times this could fall as wet snow at times as polar maritime air crosses over Britain on occasion, especially later.


The Jet Stream remains the focal point for the continuation of this mobile and sometimes stormy setup. It continues to flow rapidly across the Atlantic and ver the UK throughout the run with the axis slipping further Southward in Week 2 whilest losing none of it'ss strength and dominance.


In Summary the weather remains unchanged tonight with only day to day variations within a very static patern of strong West or SW winds between very deep Low pressure to the North and High pressure well to the South. The Christmas period looks particularly stormy with heavy rain, gales and even a little snow all possible over the holiday period with little noticeable improvement or release from the pattern even up to the New Year. So it's a case of watching the skies for wind, rain and gales rather than snow and ice that will occupy us weather observers over the coming 10-14 days.


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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kennedy
Monday, December 16, 2013 7:59:51 PM

Evening all,

Oh dear, We are on High Alert for Tuesday Evening, 16th and and Throughout Wednesday and Thursday 17th and 18th December- not nondescript but Breaking News Capable Tropical Severe Gale Storm Force Depression UK to be hit then it will cross West SW Norwegian Sea NW tip of Norway will may also be hit by it.

This also as shown on the UKMO Fax Charts and Meteociel UKMO be on Emergancy Flooding Nationwide and Electricity Power Cuts could also occur Widely- Uprooted Trees and Dangerous for Drivers pre- xmas Journey's e.g on the Road.

Prepare to Rescue in this event any Vulnerable People and be Aware of large Trees uprooting possibilities.

This could last 72 hours even on Friday for the NW still around for them - while by that time South and SE Briain will see wind Moderating, heavy wintry showers and hill snow plus hail and Thunder Possible across large parts of the UK T850 hPa Temps are in the range of 0 to -6 during part of this upcoming by Wdnesday Night and Thursday especially.

Originally Posted by: LA2B MeridFlowEuro09 


 


yes some very windy weather hitting the uk soon


not looking good, hill snow looking likely on high level roads in scotland too.


 

Gooner
Monday, December 16, 2013 8:44:43 PM



Evening Marcus.


Possible slight cool down after Christmas shown by those charts but nothing to write home about. If we can just get through the next few days of wind and rain then thats December virtually nailed. I couldn't believe the temperature I recorded last night at 12.2C. I must check the max/min thermometer to see if its working correctly. I have recorded chillier nights in July!


In the meantime some ferocious weather looks on the cards for NW folks. Batten down the hatches!


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Hi Jas


Some cooler weather on the way though


From Xmas Eve IMBY 6c , 5c , 3c ,3c , 3c , 0c , 3c


It aint that bad


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


NickR
Monday, December 16, 2013 8:50:09 PM
Closing this... new one coming for the 18z>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nick
Durham
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