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GIBBY
20 December 2013 20:06:20

Hi everyone. Here is tonight's attempt to look between the Weather models 12 noon outputs for today Friday December 20th 2013.


All models show another deep depression to the NW of the UK with a cold front slipping ESE across Southern and Eastern areas overnight leaving behind a cold and showery SW flow over northern and western areas while a wave travels NE along the cold front over the SE tomorrow delaying it's clearance until evening. By Sunday all areas will be under a rather colder and showery Westerly flow with some wintry showers over the hills and maintained very windy weather. On Monday the weather becomes particularly stormy everywhere as yet another unusually intense depression moves in close to NW Scotland. A series of troughs cross all areas through the day with heavy and persistent rain for much of the day clearing slowly SE later with severe gale or storm force winds giving rise to potential damage in places.


GFS then shows Christmas Eve as a windy and very showery day with gales and frequent showers for all with more persistent rain left over from Monday only clearing the SE slowly. Some of the showers will again be heavy and wintry in places , most frequent in the West. On Christmas Day and Boxing Day it looks like being somewhat less windy but rather cold with further showers and longer spells of rain or sleet, especially in the South. Thereafter up to the New Year yet another storm system similar to Christmas Eve's version brings heavy rain and severe gales to all areas followed by sunshine and showers yet again. As we move towards and over the New Year High pressure ridges towards the UK from a position North of the Azores and brings much less wet but breezy weather with more benign conditions over the South while rain becomes restricted towards the North.


UKMO tonight shows a wet and occasionally very windy Christmas especially on Christmas Eve. It will become rather cold with some snow showers over the hills at Christmas where a quieter period at the end of Christmas leads us into the approach of the next storm system on the 27th.


GEM tonight keeps deeply unsettled weather throughout the three day Christmas period with strong to gale or even severe gale force winds driving spells of rain and showers across the UK repeatedly over and beyond Christmas , falling as snow at times over the hills.


NAVGEM tonight also replicates GFS and UKMO's trend of seeing the back of one spell of stormy weather as we exit Christmas and enters into another as a new storm system piles in from the North Atlantic post Christmas with renewed gales and heavy rain.


ECM keeps the unsettled and sometimes stormy weather going well beyond Christmas and towards the New Year with plenty of rainfall and showery interludes with cold enough conditions at times for some snowfall over the hills especially over the Christmas season itself.


The GFS Ensembles maintain no signals for any really cold weather anytime soon with the general trend for the very wet first week slowly giving way to less wet conditions for the South later in the run as temperatures maintain average uppers. The operational was a warm outlier at the end with it's warm uppers blowing in around an Atlantic high.


The Jet Stream shows very little overall movement over the majority of the output time tonight though it does show some evidence of ridging North over the Atlantic around a displaced Azores High in the far reaches of the run.


In Summary there is a lot of very unsettled, wet and stormy weather to come over the next few weeks. Temperatures will fluctuate between a little above average during the rain bands to just below in the showery spells when some snow could be witnessed, especially over the hills and over the Christmas period itself. There is very little evidence of a reliable indication of the way out of this pattern with virtually no chance of any major changes this side of the New Year. The only evidence of change hinted at tonight is that the Jet flow be pushed back more towards the North again as High pressure builds again over Europe or the Azores though at 10-14 days out this theme will have to be maintained and built upon in future runs to gain any credibility.


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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Saint Snow
20 December 2013 20:12:20


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/fax/fax72s.gif?20-12


This doesn't look too good


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 


I agree - about 300 miles too far north and not deep enough.




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Chiltern Blizzard
20 December 2013 20:30:31


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/fax/fax72s.gif?20-12


This doesn't look too good


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


I agree - about 300 miles too far north and not deep enough.


Originally Posted by: Gooner 




What! Do you actually want St Helens wiped off the map?.... Then again, fair point - starting again is probably what's needed 🙂
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The Beast from the East
20 December 2013 21:20:39
It is unfortunate how the next system coming off the eastern seaboard phases with our pv and sends all the energy NE. We are always unlucky in this country. Looking like at least mid Jan before we see any northern blocking if at all for the whole month
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The Beast from the East
20 December 2013 21:35:02
http://www.knmi.nl/exp/pluim/Data/PLUIM_06260_NWT.png 

Rock solid support for the general pattern as shown by the op
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Polar Low
20 December 2013 21:42:45

yup if you listen to it here Rob back in Jan 1993 905mb would be a new record for Atlantic have frozen it on that frame back then


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11MgMm96GYQ&list=PL6368AD1D9FCB1A80


 


 




looks a record low run 16


http://forum.netweather.tv/topic/48934-the-lowest-pressure-reading-recorded-in-the-uk/


 And we beat them to it no mention on other side


 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Not sure that even that extreme chart has a pressure below 925mb over the UK itself. Hard to see with all the isobars blocking the view but  looks like it stays >930mb even in the western Isles.


 


Would be a record for the Atlantic though, surely. I've never seen a 905mb isobar before!



Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

Polar Low
20 December 2013 22:02:14
Polar Low
20 December 2013 22:20:06

very very wet


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/royaume-uni/accumulation-precipitations/81h.htm


 


Apart from Nicky lol point taken

Rob K
20 December 2013 22:22:27

http://www.knmi.nl/exp/pluim/Data/PLUIM_06260_NWT.png

Rock solid support for the general pattern as shown by the op

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 



Not often you see that little scatter.
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Polar Low
ballogie
20 December 2013 22:24:55


adjustment north thats what my projector tell me anyway a little out of jail


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=102&mode=0


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


 


I think Glasgow might merge into Edinburgh if this comes off


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=96&mode=0

Polar Low
20 December 2013 22:26:38

I wont be wind surfing for a bit




adjustment north thats what my projector tell me anyway a little out of jail


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=102&mode=0


Originally Posted by: ballogie 


 


I think Glasgow might merge into Edinburgh if this comes off


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=96&mode=0


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

Polar Low
Sevendust
20 December 2013 22:46:01

Very angry zonal fare at the moment with very deep low pressure repeatedly passing close to the north, if not across it. A very stormy spell of weather for sure

Polar Low
20 December 2013 22:47:44

And another one just to complete the picture for the south



http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=264&mode=0


 

Polar Low
20 December 2013 23:11:51

some off those members extreme to say the least


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=7&ech=84&mode=0&carte=0


 


 

Gooner
20 December 2013 23:13:34

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013122018/gfsnh-0-174.png?18


If this verifies it would be of real concern, severe damage would occur for sure


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
20 December 2013 23:15:32

http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/2013/12/20/basis18/ukuk/rart/13122406_2_2018.gif


JFF JFF


Snow on the ground for a few on the morning of Xmas Eve


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Polar Low
20 December 2013 23:23:29

cold for most places for the big day at the surface


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/royaume-uni/temperatures-2m/114h.htm


Raw in the wind more or less the same for Boxing day


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/royaume-uni/temperatures-2m/138h.htm

Hungry Tiger
21 December 2013 00:15:22


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013122018/gfsnh-0-174.png?18


If this verifies it would be of real concern, severe damage would occur for sure


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Worst I have seen so far that one is.


 


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Gooner
21 December 2013 00:18:18
Karl Guille
21 December 2013 00:20:44
Ensembles are slowly but surely beginning to turn out a few more interesting options as we head towards the New Year. A long way to go and not exactly a cold pool to tap into from the east as yet, but at least a halt to this continuous progression of nastiy looking Atlantic lows could be on the cards.
St. Sampson
Guernsey
Gandalf The White
21 December 2013 00:24:53

ECM 12z ensemble for London:


http://www.weathercast.co.uk/services/ensemble-forecast.html


The Op was at the very top of the 50 runs through the three milder incursions. Beyond Day 10 the trend remains for temperatures to lower to a little below normal.


The amount of rainfall is remarkable, with over 70mm in the next week, coming in three distinct bursts - tomorrow morning, Monday into Xmas Eve and next Friday.


The very windy conditions are well supported by the ensembles.


 


 


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130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


nsrobins
21 December 2013 07:13:32

I can't find anything significantly different to the general zonal theme this morning to warrant posting charts, etc.

Thre very unsettled and average temps continue.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Gooner
21 December 2013 08:18:20

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013122100/gfsnh-0-162.png?0


 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013122100/gfsnh-0-168.png?0


This doesn't look good


 


 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


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