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Gooner
02 January 2014 14:24:11

Guessing where any blocking will form due to an SSW is like rolloing a dice I am also not sure how people can look at charts and comment on the result.......don't the effects of a SSW take a few weeks to  show in the UK's weather pattern??


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Quantum
02 January 2014 14:50:35


Guessing where any blocking will form due to an SSW is like rolloing a dice I am also not sure how people can look at charts and comment on the result.......don't the effects of a SSW take a few weeks to  show in the UK's weather pattern??


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


As you say it can take a few weeks to have any noticble effect on our weather, so I think the idea that it will remain unsettled and mild in light of other evidence is founded. Also I'm not sure if you can call this an SSW as such. For that you need a complete destruction of the PV, which has not happened (apart from that insane 6Z run yesterday), currently we are looking at a minor warming event which is less likely to be accompnied by nothern blocking further down the line.I would say the 2nd half of January is more likely to be cold than the first half, but equally I would not be suprised if we went the entire month only seeing the odd bit of wintriness in a returning polar airmass. 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
ballamar
02 January 2014 15:05:03

Is SSW the only way to get Northern blocking ? Interesting to know whether anyone can answer this

Quantum
02 January 2014 15:11:19


Is SSW the only way to get Northern blocking ? Interesting to know whether anyone can answer this


Originally Posted by: ballamar 


No, and I think there is a little bit of a chicken and egg issue here because a meandeing jet (the sort that is asociated with blocking anyway) is responsible for SSW events in the first place. But no, you don't need SSW to get blocking; but the presence of one nevertheless makes it more likely. Tbh I find the 500mb level more useful generally, if you get warming at the 500mb in the arctic or greenland that more directly corresponds to blocking seting up. 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gavin P
02 January 2014 15:40:08

Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


CET, Stratospheric Temperatures And More...


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


A bit of an eclectic mix of stuff to be honest.


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Rob K
02 January 2014 16:45:13
A trend is starting to emerge of a cool/cold HP settling over the UK by mid month.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3721.png 
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ARTzeman
02 January 2014 17:02:09


Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


CET, Stratospheric Temperatures And More...


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


A bit of an eclectic mix of stuff to be honest.


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Like CET video...


Thanks Gavin...






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Ally Pally Snowman
02 January 2014 18:31:53
A cooling trend is very much there starting around the 12th. Not spectacular but it's a start.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png 
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Quantum
02 January 2014 18:58:00

A cooling trend is very much there starting around the 12th. Not spectacular but it's a start.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

">http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


For mid january to not even get a single -10C ensemble is a very poor show. 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
moomin75
02 January 2014 19:00:22

Good lord, I've been away for four weeks, and my first look at the charts look EXACTLY the same as they did when I left the UK.


Has it been like this all the way, or have I missed something? I really haven't been paying much attention as I've been busy watching England getting hammered in Tests....


Looks to me like I haven't missed winter YET!


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cowman
02 January 2014 19:05:12

Good lord, I've been away for four weeks, and my first look at the charts look EXACTLY the same as they did when I left the UK.


Has it been like this all the way, or have I missed something? I really haven't been paying much attention as I've been busy watching England getting hammered in Tests....


Looks to me like I haven't missed winter YET!

Originally Posted by: moomin75 



Missed bugger all.🤣
Ally Pally Snowman
02 January 2014 19:09:36

Good lord, I've been away for four weeks, and my first look at the charts look EXACTLY the same as they did when I left the UK.


Has it been like this all the way, or have I missed something? I really haven't been paying much attention as I've been busy watching England getting hammered in Tests....


Looks to me like I haven't missed winter YET!

Originally Posted by: cowman 



Missed bugger all.🤣

Originally Posted by: moomin75 





It's been as bad as England's batting.



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Gusty
02 January 2014 19:11:53

ECM is zonal all the way to 240 hours. 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.gif


 


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Ally Pally Snowman
02 January 2014 19:12:34

A cooling trend is very much there starting around the 12th. Not spectacular but it's a start.

Originally Posted by: Quantum 

">http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


For mid january to not even get a single -10C ensemble is a very poor show. 



I agree pretty poor but beggars can't be choosers and all that. Not sure why but GFS has been less crazy than usual and is producing much less wild outliers.



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Quantum
02 January 2014 19:15:41

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014010212/ECH1-240.GIF?02-0


That thing moving towards spain, its... its.....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s


 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
JACKO4EVER
02 January 2014 19:28:08

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014010212/ECH1-240.GIF?02-0


That thing moving towards spain, its... its.....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s


 

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Wow that would nail January!
It's not out of the question, as some have said earlier in the thread. A pressure rise to the South could well be plausible, and we could all start having to watch the ensembles for Berne LOL !!
Gooner
02 January 2014 19:40:39


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014010212/ECH1-240.GIF?02-0


That thing moving towards spain, its... its.....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s


 


Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


Wow that would nail January!
It's not out of the question, as some have said earlier in the thread. A pressure rise to the South could well be plausible, and we could all start having to watch the ensembles for Berne LOL !!

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Jacko there are 29 days left this month


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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JACKO4EVER
02 January 2014 19:53:15


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014010212/ECH1-240.GIF?02-0


That thing moving towards spain, its... its.....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s


 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Wow that would nail January!
It's not out of the question, as some have said earlier in the thread. A pressure rise to the South could well be plausible, and we could all start having to watch the ensembles for Berne LOL !!

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


Jacko there are 29 days left this month

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Marcus, that's a chart for the 12th if I am not mistaken. We know it's going to be unsettled until at least 10th, and if that pattern took hold...... Well need I say more? LOL
KevBrads1
02 January 2014 20:01:43


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014010212/ECH1-240.GIF?02-0


That thing moving towards spain, its... its.....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s


 


Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


Wow that would nail January!
It's not out of the question, as some have said earlier in the thread. A pressure rise to the South could well be plausible, and we could all start having to watch the ensembles for Berne LOL !!

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Jacko there are 29 days left this month

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


Marcus, that's a chart for the 12th if I am not mistaken. We know it's going to be unsettled until at least 10th, and if that pattern took hold...... Well need I say more? LOL

Originally Posted by: Quantum 



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Quantum
02 January 2014 20:02:35



http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014010212/ECH1-240.GIF?02-0


That thing moving towards spain, its... its.....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s


 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Wow that would nail January!
It's not out of the question, as some have said earlier in the thread. A pressure rise to the South could well be plausible, and we could all start having to watch the ensembles for Berne LOL !!

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


Jacko there are 29 days left this month


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


tbh gooner there are only really 13 usable days of January left, because there is no way we are going to get colder weather before then. And if the heathen does arrive mid january that would chew up alot of the remaining days!


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
David M Porter
02 January 2014 20:13:23

All speculation IMO. It looks to me that the next week at least is likely to remain pretty unsettled, but a week ahead is about as far ahead as we can have any real confidence in as far as I'm concerned. We need to see the atlantic train halted first of all and then see what develops after that. There are subtle hints in the models of things perhaps drying up a little as we get towards mid-month or thereabouts; hopefully this will be built upon in the coming days,


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Stormchaser
02 January 2014 20:21:07

ECM has a LP swinging well south in the Atlantic on day 10... the progression would take it on into Europe, with the jet nosing down towards the Med.


If then we got a reasonably amplified ridge behind up towards the Arctic blocking, things would start to get very interesting.


GFS shows the N. Hem pattern becoming a lot more conducive to cold spells in these parts, as the PV fragments and heights rise across the UK as well as remaining high in the Arctic. This all occurs despite the stratospheric vortex holding on as an elongated feature rather than splitting - although the core does drift to Siberia, which can be helpful.


 


The models often toy with progressing strat. changes too quickly, then having to slow things down by as much as a fortnight, so I've not been too bothered by developments over the past week.


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Hungry Tiger
02 January 2014 20:35:36

Hmmmmmmmmm


hard to say.


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GIBBY
02 January 2014 20:38:21

Good evening folks. Here is the evening report on the 12 midday outputs of the NWP for today Thursday January 2014.


All models continue to show a new major storm winding up towards the NW of Britain later tonight and tomorrow with a short spell of rain this evening and tonight giving way to showery and very windy weather tomorrow with gales and severe gales in places. Through Saturday further showers look likely as winds remain SW or West and strong though a drier spell is possible before all models show a new surge of Atlantic energy with wet and windy weather on Sunday before returning all areas to showers and blustery SW winds early next week.


GFS then shows Low pressure to the North filling midweek with a lessening in wind and showers for a time. However a further spell of rain looks likely later next week as further Low pressure moves over from the West before High pressure moving up from the SW by next weekend then gives a period of quiet anticyclonic weather with frost and fog problems night and morning and cold bright days.


The GFS Ensembles show that the operational was a colder outlier later in the run with most members supporting a change onto drier and brighter conditions at times through Week 2 but with higher temperatures hinting at High pressure being just to the South or SE of the UK.


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UKMO closes it's run next Wednesday showing sunshine and showers with rather lighter SW winds in association with filling Low pressure to the North and rising pressure to the SE and the mid Atlantic.


GEM again tonight keeps things very unsettled throughout it's run maintaining the Atlantic progression of rain bearing troughs though the gales of late should of become less marked than of late. Temperatures look like remaining near average.


NAVGEM also keeps a West or SW feed going later next week though much lighter than of late. There would be continue to be rain at times for all should tonight's charts verify with temperatures close to normal.


ECM also shows maintained unsettled weather as a Westerly flow from the Atlantic is maintained with rain and showers at times. Despite higher pressure values than of late the weather in terms of rainfall will continue to be poor and hardly requisite for flooding levels to fall but at least the wind will be less of a feature as will the temperature values.


The ECM 10 Day Mean Chart continues it's theme of recent runs with Low pressure most likely towards the NW of Britain near Iceland and High pressure remaining to the South with a SW flow across the UK with the risk of rain remaining for many. This bias indicates relatively few members offer much in the way of reliable relief from wind and rain let alone cold and snow.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


The GFS Jet Stream Forecast keeps the flow pumping quickly across the Atlantic and over the British Isles for the next week or so. Then in line with it's rises of pressure the pattern becomes much more diffuse and unclear with no clear cut signal apparent.


In Summary the weather pattern remains largely disturbed tonight. GFS does offer some better weather and High pressure in it's operational and ensembles but the other models bring any rise of pressure too far to the South to prevent rain areas to continue to affect all areas at times in the persistent Westerly breeze which hold temperatures close to average at least for all areas.


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Gooner
02 January 2014 21:11:30



http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014010212/ECH1-240.GIF?02-0


That thing moving towards spain, its... its.....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s


 


Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


Wow that would nail January!
It's not out of the question, as some have said earlier in the thread. A pressure rise to the South could well be plausible, and we could all start having to watch the ensembles for Berne LOL !!

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Jacko there are 29 days left this month


Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


Marcus, that's a chart for the 12th if I am not mistaken. We know it's going to be unsettled until at least 10th, and if that pattern took hold...... Well need I say more? LOL

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


You clearly know more than Peter Gibbs who has just been on N24 saying " there are signs of more settled weather by mid month".....................well need I say more LOL


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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