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Gusty
02 January 2014 17:19:34



You're in one of your strange argumentative moods Darren. 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


LOL, no - far from it! I just disagreed strongly with your comments. And if I feel strongly enough about something, I'll post.



My crime was that I said 'I could take it or leave it'


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


You've missed out the actual bit I disagreed with, which was:


"I am at an age now where I can take it or leave it." (my emphasis).


That implied that you thought age was related to liking snow, which isn't the case. You then said:


"I have simply reached a stage in my life where the responsibility of a family being a homeowner and holding down a responsible career somehow take more of a priority in my life these days."


As I and others then pointed out, having responsibilities - which frankly all of us on here will have compared to when we were children - doesn't necessarily make a difference.


That's all there is to it, really. Neither age nor responsibilty need have anything to do with liking snow. Some people will enjoy it no matter what.


NDJF - see this link.


 



Darren. I like the snow, I love it's beauty. I have stated my reasons for why I could take it or leave it. Can we leave it there please ?

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Rob K
02 January 2014 17:27:20



Do we know level of acuracy here 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


Somewhere between 'none' and 'effing none'


 


Originally Posted by: NDJF 


You took the words out of my mouth. 

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Sevendust
02 January 2014 17:28:14

Can't really see too much contentious here. Snow was a bonus back in the day if it meant a day off school! In those days(when I was young) a day off for that reason was rare but nowadays likely to be more common given the same scenario.


Once you get to a point where you need to travel to employment it can be a real pain if theres disruptive snowfall and I fully understand those who have issues in that regard.


I also have sympathy with the old and infirm who have difficulties, especially if the snow compacts to ice.


So its simple to see why some people may change their views wrt snow.....or more likely its knock on effects 

Gusty
02 January 2014 17:30:15


So its simple to see why some people may change their views wrt snow.....or more likely its knock on effects 


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Thanks Dave

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speckledjim
02 January 2014 17:30:52


Do we know level of acuracy here, seems a bold statement to make, none of this out put is legislated?


 


 


James Madden     ‏@JMadden_Weather 20h       


The big freeze and widespread heavy snow is 'definitely' coming to the UK & IRE in January @


Originally Posted by: NDJF 


If you're going to look at his FB page you might want to check this one out. It looks at how accurate he has been and it's not good reading for him 


https://www.facebook.com/pages/Exacta-Weather-the-truth-behind-the-headlines/231254790375886

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richardabdn
02 January 2014 17:42:43

0/10 the score so far. It's been a total write-off. No snow lying and 1 hour below freezing in 4 weeks is a total disgrace.


Just a putrid concoction of all the things I hate the most. Gloom followed by wind and now rain. This festive period has been the worst of three successive horrors on trot with many wet, sunless write-off days.


It's not even been mild, since mid-Dec, except during the night when it's often milder than the daytime temperatures. Can't think of a single positive thing to say. With 1988/89, and many other mild winters, you could at least say it was drier and sunnier than average whereas this winter is just horrific and if there's not significant improvement it will end up as the worst of my lifetime.


If there's no winter I'd rather it was 20C and sunshine and if I was retired I'd have been off to Tenerife weeks ago to escape this dismal depressing rubbish.

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Darren S
02 January 2014 17:42:59


Do we know level of acuracy here, seems a bold statement to make, none of this out put is legislated?


 


 


James Madden     ‏@JMadden_Weather 20h       


The big freeze and widespread heavy snow is 'definitely' coming to the UK & IRE in January @


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


If you're going to look at his FB page you might want to check this one out. It looks at how accurate he has been and it's not good reading for him 


https://www.facebook.com/pages/Exacta-Weather-the-truth-behind-the-headlines/231254790375886

Originally Posted by: NDJF 



On the Exacta Weather Facebook page, you'll see his posts have had most of their comments deleted, presumably for being critical (e.g. you see the link saying "View 6 comments", and then only one appears)
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Rob K
02 January 2014 17:43:46



Do we know level of acuracy here, seems a bold statement to make, none of this out put is legislated?


 


 


James Madden     ‏@JMadden_Weather 20h       


The big freeze and widespread heavy snow is 'definitely' coming to the UK & IRE in January @


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


If you're going to look at his FB page you might want to check this one out. It looks at how accurate he has been and it's not good reading for him 


https://www.facebook.com/pages/Exacta-Weather-the-truth-behind-the-headlines/231254790375886


Originally Posted by: NDJF 


Temperatures are also likely to exceed double negative figures quite consistently during the evenings, especially in parts of Scotland and the north. There may even be the possibility of temperature records being broken in places, especially in parts of Scotland and Ireland, towards the start of this forecasting period. It is quite plausible that temperatures may surpass -28C in parts of the UK during the evenings, with temperatures also struggling to get above freezing across the country during the daytime too. There is also a good probability for the development of ice floes, which will be visible from land in various parts of the country too.



 


 

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nouska
02 January 2014 17:59:06




Do we know level of acuracy here, seems a bold statement to make, none of this out put is legislated?


 


 


James Madden     ‏@JMadden_Weather 20h       


The big freeze and widespread heavy snow is 'definitely' coming to the UK & IRE in January @


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


If you're going to look at his FB page you might want to check this one out. It looks at how accurate he has been and it's not good reading for him 


https://www.facebook.com/pages/Exacta-Weather-the-truth-behind-the-headlines/231254790375886


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Temperatures are also likely to exceed double negative figures quite consistently during the evenings, especially in parts of Scotland and the north. There may even be the possibility of temperature records being broken in places, especially in parts of Scotland and Ireland, towards the start of this forecasting period. It is quite plausible that temperatures may surpass -28C in parts of the UK during the evenings, with temperatures also struggling to get above freezing across the country during the daytime too. There is also a good probability for the development of ice floes, which will be visible from land in various parts of the country too.



 


Originally Posted by: NDJF 


A fine example of internet led entrepreneurial skills - where one can successfully extract the piss and the cash simultaneosly.

Essan
02 January 2014 18:05:09


Do we know level of acuracy here, seems a bold statement to make, none of this out put is legislated?


 


 


James Madden     ‏@JMadden_Weather 20h       


The big freeze and widespread heavy snow is 'definitely' coming to the UK & IRE in January @


Originally Posted by: NDJF 




OT, but as accurate as a paraplegic blind man throwing a dart using his mouth, and trying to hit a midge in the center of the bullseye on a dartboard set back on a cliff 300 feet above him.  In a gale.

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KevBrads1
02 January 2014 18:08:47

There is also a good probability for the development of ice floes, which will be visible from land in various parts of the country too.



Originally Posted by: Rob K 



Under those conditions that would actually happen. It has happened under previous severe winters, so that is not daft. It's the overall forecast that is questionable.

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Essan
02 January 2014 18:10:00


With 1988/89, and many other mild winters, you could at least say it was drier and sunnier than average

Originally Posted by: richardabdn 



Aye, that was the winter the railway bridge in Inverness was swept away by massive floods following the highest 48 hours rainfall total ever recorded in Scotland (it all fell on me).   The same winter also saw a 146mph gust recorded at Fraserbrugh.


No doubt in my mind this winter does not yet compare with that one - though of course we still have January and February to go.   If you can't see snow on Ben Nevis at the end of Jan then you'll know we're on the way


 

Andy
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Essan
02 January 2014 18:12:36

There is also a good probability for the development of ice floes, which will be visible from land in various parts of the country too.




Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 



Under those conditions that would actually happen. It has happened under previous severe winters, so that is not daft. It's the overall forecast that is questionable.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 



Though the comment about being visible from land is as daft as saying the Sun is visible from space.  Such ice floes form mainly in shallow, sheltered, estuaries with high tidal ranges (I remember them in the Blackwater estuary in 81/82) - which tend to be, er, surrounded by land ....

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tony73
02 January 2014 18:23:28

This winter reminds of the storms of the 1970's. Gale after Gale.


I'm still wating for the 'colder than average' winter predicted. 


Why do forecasters spend so much time predicting, when as i perceive it, it often turns out to be the complete reverse. Winter or Summer.


Do you think we will get the easterly blast after April this Year ?. I seem to record seeing snow in Hampshire approx 5 Years ago in April.

some faraway beach
02 January 2014 18:26:14

As Rob K alluded, this is the ideal winter sequence for me. Huge quantities of wood have become available for free. The branches torn off by gales are welcome, but will need splitting and storing for 2014-5. The real bonus is the bounty of driftwood regularly belched out by the flooding and receding River Tone. This is seasoned. All it needs is strong, dry easterly winds to dry it out and it'll be immediately ready to burn to keep warm in the associated cold, which I am confident will turn up some time during the next 2 or 3 months.


The other way round would be annoying for me: using up all my fuel during a bitter Nov. and Dec., then being faced with collecting soggy and unuseable branches during a zonal Jan. and feb.

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Rob K
02 January 2014 18:39:26


There is also a good probability for the development of ice floes, which will be visible from land in various parts of the country too.




Originally Posted by: Essan 



Under those conditions that would actually happen. It has happened under previous severe winters, so that is not daft. It's the overall forecast that is questionable.

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 



Though the comment about being visible from land is as daft as saying the Sun is visible from space.  Such ice floes form mainly in shallow, sheltered, estuaries with high tidal ranges (I remember them in the Blackwater estuary in 81/82) - which tend to be, er, surrounded by land ....


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Yes, the "visible from land" bit makes it sound like he is expecting Arctic drift ice to head for our shores.


There was sea ice in 2010 down on the south coast (Studland) and in Padstow harbour, among other places.


It's just the whole forecast couldn't be further from the reality if he tried.

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Matty H
02 January 2014 18:56:26
Fantastic.

The total lack of cold has been brilliant. I've been in a T-shirt all day today.

The only gripe I have is how wet it's been, but you can't have everything I suppose.
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moomin75
02 January 2014 18:59:03

The last four weeks have been spectacularly warm, dry and sunny, with clear blue skies and light winds.


A nice tan, and some crap cricket being watched, but a beautiful December for me.


Back in dear old Blighty, it looks like I've never been away - the charts are virtually identical to those I was looking at when I left.


Has it been the same for the last four weeks? Have I not missed winter yet?


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cowman
02 January 2014 18:59:14

Fantastic.

The total lack of cold has been brilliant. I've been in a T-shirt all day today.

The only gripe I have is how wet it's been, but you can't have everything I suppose.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Spot on.😂 😂
Jive Buddy
02 January 2014 19:24:17

Fantastic.

The total lack of cold has been brilliant. I've been in a T-shirt all day today.

The only gripe I have is how wet it's been, but you can't have everything I suppose.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Horrible image in my head now


It's not over, until the fat Scandy sinks.....

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Hungry Tiger
02 January 2014 19:39:04

Never will I complain about the lack of variety ever again. Although my area can handle heavy rain very well as I don't live on a flood-prone area, I just don't like the strong damaging winds we have had of late - as if all of you doesn't know that by now.    But, it's like what you said, Gavin, at least we get the occasional breaks in the form of nicer and calmer days. I just wish it doesn't feel like I live on a mid-Atlantic island every time we get that annoying southerly gale quite so often. I usually experience that kind of thing once or twice every winter but this season I've already lost count and we're only one-third of the way into the meteorological winter season - and spring can still produce it's fair share of gale force winds.     I think I have reached that stage in life where snow and cold becomes a hindrance in terms of energy bills and it is time for me to actually say how I can't wait for summer to kick in - drunken chavs, the scent of burnt BBQs and big boxed rear exhaust systems and all, especially now that I no longer work under glass. This winter literally has knocked the wind out of me - as so to speak.     I can say that I have experienced my fair share of proper snowy events in this life time and have taken photos of it so I'm not bothered if this winter end up doing a 1988-89 (virtually snowless). I don't spend hours trawling the medium range charts seeking for phantom proper cold and snow at the 384 hrs time frame. Having said that, though, I'll probably still get excited over seeing a mass of snow six hours away appearing on the radars and then groan in despair as it completely bypass my location and a place ten miles away get pasted. I think that kid in me will never go away.    But for now, I would appreciate a good extended spell of mild and bright weather to try and bring a sense of normality to things, along with saving on energy bills. It's almost a pity that what we have had of late is actually our default UK weather mode anyway!    Amazing to think that it was only two short years ago when there were talks of water restrictions as soon as February after umpteen months of below average rainfall here at the South East - and now look at us today. Boy, I'm getting more cranky over the years. I'll carry on blaming those tomatoes.  


Originally Posted by: idj20 



Great post Ian.

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Arcus
02 January 2014 19:44:24
The bumble bee I saw in mid December made another appearance today whilst I was out in the garden. Says it all really.
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Gooner
02 January 2014 19:48:15




ge may not be anything to do with it but responsibility does.


 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I also have more responsibilities than I did as a kid, you know, and it hasn't diminished my love of snow and ice one little bit. That includes a commute onto the mainland along roads which get covered with snow in no time due to lack of traffic, even having - as a couple of years ago - to shovel sheet ice off the road in which I live in order to get out.


As such, I disagree with your assertions. It shows that your views aren't the only ones, just as my "I'll always love snow" views aren't the same as everyone else's (or even the majority, I'd suspect).


Originally Posted by: Retron 


 


As someone with a family, house & career, I take the opposite line to Gusty. Snow is fantastic, and my love of it has not diminished one bit.


 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Agree with as well , it could put 4 foot down overnight..........................how good would that be

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Jive Buddy
02 January 2014 19:49:53

The bumble bee I saw in mid December made another appearance today whilst I was out in the garden. Says it all really.

Originally Posted by: Arcus 


If you're sure it's the same one (they all look alike to me), then why not try to beefriend it? . You might get a real buzz out of a friendship with it. If it's female you could sweet talk it when you get home everyday "Hi honey, I'm home!" . Plus, you'd get to hear what's been going on in the other neighbours gardens - it'd be a hive of information for you

It's not over, until the fat Scandy sinks.....

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Hungry Tiger
02 January 2014 20:41:38


The bumble bee I saw in mid December made another appearance today whilst I was out in the garden. Says it all really.

Originally Posted by: Jive Buddy 


If you're sure it's the same one (they all look alike to me), then why not try to beefriend it? . You might get a real buzz out of a friendship with it. If it's female you could sweet talk it when you get home everyday "Hi honey, I'm home!" . Plus, you'd get to hear what's been going on in the other neighbours gardens - it'd be a hive of information for you


Originally Posted by: Arcus 


ROTFL.

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