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The Beast from the East
17 January 2014 16:58:06

GEM also spilts the vortex


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gem/runs/2014011712/gemnh-0-240.png?12


 


Im surprised how poor the METO update was today, considering what the Strat warming suggests could happen.


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Gooner
17 January 2014 17:09:43


GEM also spilts the vortex


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gem/runs/2014011712/gemnh-0-240.png?12


 


Im surprised how poor the METO update was today, considering what the Strat warming suggests could happen.


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


They will wait for consistency before putting something in print, they aren't as gullible as us


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
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doctormog
17 January 2014 17:13:13

GEM also spilts the vortex
http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gem/runs/2014011712/gemnh-0-240.png?12 

Im surprised how poor the METO update was today, considering what the Strat warming suggests could happen.

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 



As has been the case for much of the winter the Met Office outlook seems to reflect the current overall output very well. Unsettled with the chance of cooler interludes sounds about right surely? As for the details - who knows (given the chopping and changing).
Sevendust
17 January 2014 17:20:02



GEM also spilts the vortex


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gem/runs/2014011712/gemnh-0-240.png?12


 


Im surprised how poor the METO update was today, considering what the Strat warming suggests could happen.


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


They will wait for consistency before putting something in print, they aren't as gullible as us


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Unusually maudlin Marcus? I usually rely on you to keep up morale in sea of self harm


It's mid-January. There have been a number of hopeless winters which delivered something in the end. 1983,1991 & 2005 spring to mind......there are more


Never get too hung up on FI - always worth a look but not too much more

Gooner
17 January 2014 17:23:56




GEM also spilts the vortex


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gem/runs/2014011712/gemnh-0-240.png?12


 


Im surprised how poor the METO update was today, considering what the Strat warming suggests could happen.


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


They will wait for consistency before putting something in print, they aren't as gullible as us


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Unusually maudlin Marcus? I usually rely on you to keep up morale in sea of self harm


It's mid-January. There have been a number of hopeless winters which delivered something in the end. 1983,1991 & 2005 spring to mind......there are more


Never get too hung up on FI - always worth a look but not too much more


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Apologies Dave I forgot where or who I was for a moment


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Sevendust
17 January 2014 17:25:18





GEM also spilts the vortex


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gem/runs/2014011712/gemnh-0-240.png?12


 


Im surprised how poor the METO update was today, considering what the Strat warming suggests could happen.


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


They will wait for consistency before putting something in print, they aren't as gullible as us


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Unusually maudlin Marcus? I usually rely on you to keep up morale in sea of self harm


It's mid-January. There have been a number of hopeless winters which delivered something in the end. 1983,1991 & 2005 spring to mind......there are more


Never get too hung up on FI - always worth a look but not too much more


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Apologies Dave I forgot where or who I was for a moment


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


LOL - I'll forgive you a "Beast" moment

Gavin P
17 January 2014 17:26:26


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014011712/gfsnh-1-384.png?12


I wish I had paid a visit to my cousin in Iowa this winter. What an amazing spell of extreme cold the US is enjoying.


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


I did say it would be a cold winter for the US, but I'm surprised how extreme it's turning out.


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Gooner
17 January 2014 17:35:46

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/run/gensnh-0-1-240.png?12


Artic High is struggling in the control


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Karl Guille
17 January 2014 18:01:56
Couple of potential routes to cold here by the looks of things. Still a slight chance the existing Scandinavian High can punch its way through the Atlantic onslaught or, alternatively, it fails but the polar vortex splits and the UK gets buried under a succession of Arctic Lows instead! Win, win surely (LOL)!!??
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Rob K
17 January 2014 18:15:56

Couple of potential routes to cold here by the looks of things. Still a slight chance the existing Scandinavian High can punch its way through the Atlantic onslaught or, alternatively, it fails but the polar vortex splits and the UK gets buried under a succession of Arctic Lows instead! Win, win surely (LOL)!!??

Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 


Or alternatively... the UKMO is wrong in the short term, but the GFS is wrong in the long term. Lose lose 


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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
17 January 2014 18:16:19
Yep saying that UKMO vs GFS difference at 120 and 144hrs is of any consolidation then we can back ourselves up also with yesterday's 12z ECMWF for same time.

At t144 and T168 the GFS is out on it own bringing in low Pressure WNW to SE from the North Atlantic PV Low region.

It is fascinating seeing it cold down over the UK albeit not a great difference, and seeing UKMO and ECMWF have battle of weakened narrowed UK band of low Pressure and large NE Europe Blocking high link to Siberian High is quite nice prospect for diverting the North Atlantic Low pressure.

Signs point to a NNW to SSE driven series of PV North Atlantic Icelandic Linked Low pressure and GFS for last Week of January is showing this as West to East moving North Atlantic Low's change track and head from NW from NE Canada or Iceland dive South and SE giving chance of Cold plunges and prospect of getting night frosts and heavy wintry snow showers or bands of rain turning to sleet and Snow spells with few days West winds then turn North and NW.

High pressure in West Mid North Atlantic and Arctic high over to our northeast in Norwegian Sea Svalbard could as GFS suggest bring this SE tracking Jet, and Set up Blocking high over Greenland and divert NE USA PV Low to move SE through Eastern N Atlantic and SE Canada high extend to Newfoundland and link up to West mid North Atlantic high pressure,

And Having PV Low Pressure deflected away from NE Europe Blocking High is also necessary and this looks good possibility looking at the UKMO and ECMWF at 144hrs, the GFS brings mild and Wet weather while the other two slow down things over the UK with West N mid Atlantic high quite strong and the Scandy plus Siberian High plus high to our North and NE in the Arctic ready to dragged cold air to Greenland and NE Europe- things looking interesting.
Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
idj20
17 January 2014 18:20:23

And here we go again with the strong winds: http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=ukuk&MODELL=gfs&MODELLTYP=1&BASE=201401171200&VAR=uv10&HH=192&ARCHIV=0&ZOOM=0&PERIOD=&WMO=

And it's on the 25th January - St Burns Day. Yep, got reminded of 1990.

Of course, that is a long way off in forecasting terms and I'm sure there'll be many chopping, changings and downgrades before the moment comes, even though it was actually first modelled at the far reaches of the medium range outputs from the start!


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Rob K
17 January 2014 18:33:57
ECM almost identical to GFS at 144 hours.
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roger63
17 January 2014 18:43:54

Couple of potential routes to cold here by the looks of things. Still a slight chance the existing Scandinavian High can punch its way through the Atlantic onslaught or, alternatively, it fails but the polar vortex splits and the UK gets buried under a succession of Arctic Lows instead! Win, win surely (LOL)!!??

Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 


Not a breath of an easterly in the  op runs of the models period  up to 240.METO and GFS fairly close in the 120h -144h and around 20% of EN atb that time bring in a transient easterly.Still a faint possibility if HP pushes a bit further west.

Gooner
17 January 2014 18:46:10

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014011712/ECH1-192.GIF?17-0


ECM out to 192


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Banbury
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Gooner
17 January 2014 18:50:17

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014011712/ECH1-216.GIF?17-0


Artic High becoming a feature on ECM


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Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Gooner
17 January 2014 18:58:39

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014011712/ECH1-240.GIF?17-0


Goes the right way


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Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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The Beast from the East
17 January 2014 19:19:53

Game set and match to GFS it seems. It was never keen on the Easterly unlike ECM


 


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ITSY
17 January 2014 19:21:21


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014011712/ECH1-240.GIF?17-0


Goes the right way


Originally Posted by: Gooner 



This is a chart bursting with potential. A fantastic end IMO.


Ties in exactly with GFS op and GEFS Control runs, splitting the vortex into at least two parts, ridging southward to form an Arctic/Svalbard high edging into Greenland - which in turn sees advection from the Azores as we hope to see the two areas merge somewhere around Eastern Greenland. You can't get better ingrediants, but who knows at this stage how it will turn out. I'd hazard a guess at saying this is the prime opportunity we've been waiting for, but plenty of time for it to go the way of the pear yet

Scandy 1050 MB
17 January 2014 19:24:41


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014011712/ECH1-240.GIF?17-0


Goes the right way


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Looking at the GFS and ECM's evolution perhaps the best shot at something wintry all winter coming up in FI, at best a 2-3 day toppler?  If we are lucky perhaps something like a 2003 thundersnow event - just so damn hard to get any cold near the UK at the moment it's almost like an invisible forcefield around us!   


 


Still if the JMA model is right on Gavin's earlier video at least March will be pleasant.


 

KevBrads1
17 January 2014 19:28:32



Still if the JMA model is right on Gavin's earlier video at least March will be pleasant.

Originally Posted by: Scandy 1050 MB 



Does anyone take notice of JMA even up to 192hrs?

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Rob K
17 January 2014 19:32:34


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014011712/ECH1-240.GIF?17-0 
Goes the right way

Originally Posted by: Scandy 1050 MB 


Looking at the GFS and ECM's evolution perhaps the best shot at something wintry all winter coming up in FI, at best a 2-3 day toppler? If we are lucky perhaps something like a 2003 thundersnow event - just so damn hard to get any cold near the UK at the moment it's almost like an invisible forcefield around us! UserPostedImage

Still if the JMA model is right on Gavin's earlier video at least March will be pleasant.

Originally Posted by: Gooner 



I don't know what you're seeing in ECM but that certainly ain't a toppler!
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Essan
17 January 2014 19:36:29

Still if the JMA model is right on Gavin's earlier video at least March will be pleasant.

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

Does anyone take notice of JMA even up to 192hrs?

Originally Posted by: Scandy 1050 MB 



The MetO


As I understand it, it's highly regarded as one of the best models

(or at least, it was a year or so ago)


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JACKO4EVER
17 January 2014 19:41:11

Game set and match to GFS it seems. It was never keen on the Easterly unlike ECM

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


You know I was thinking the same


Sevendust
17 January 2014 19:42:14

Still if the JMA model is right on Gavin's earlier video at least March will be pleasant.

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

Does anyone take notice of JMA even up to 192hrs?

Originally Posted by: Scandy 1050 MB 


Not sure I'd take much notice of any model at that range

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