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NickR
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19 January 2014 21:07:15

The models are doing a very good impression of a girlfriend of mine from about 20 years ago... always teasing, but never delivering the goods.


Usual rules.


Nick
Durham
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Hungry Tiger
19 January 2014 21:08:34

Cheers Nick - thanks for starting the new thread.



 


If its any consolation - I'll be very surprised if that cold air over Scandinavia doesn't get in at some point here in February.


Indeed quite a lot of some of the overseas long term forecast ensembles have hinted/suggested that we could have a cold February.


And as one or two have said on here - There are quite a few weeks of winter left.


 


 


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stophe
19 January 2014 21:39:54

More scatter for this friday on the Dutch ECM ensembles.Just goes to show how much uncertainty there is for this friday.Any takers on the Atlantic not pushing through?


 


http://www.knmi.nl/exp/pluim/vijftiendaagse/Data/15DAAGSE_06260_NWT.png


Last nights london ECM ensembles.


 


http://www.weathercast.co.uk/meteo/eps/ensemble-tt6-london.gif


Todays GFS.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png?6767676767

David M Porter
19 January 2014 22:00:52


Cheers Nick - thanks for starting the new thread.



 


If its any consolation - I'll be very surprised if that cold air over Scandinavia doesn't get in at some point here in February.


Indeed quite a lot of some of the overseas long term forecast ensembles have hinted/suggested that we could have a cold February.


And as one or two have said on here - There are quite a few weeks of winter left.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


Indeed Gavin.


No reason for anyone to write the rest of this winter off yet. We have been through winters not so many years ago that produced Decembers and Januarys that were very similar to December just passed and the current month, and we saw notable changes later on. Personally if this were 19th February and we were still enduring this unsettled weather with little if any indication of change in the model runs, then I'd feel far less optimistic. However I won't be worrying about the last chance saloon until we come to it, and we're not there yet, not while it's still January anyway.


 


Lenzie, Glasgow

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Whether Idle
19 January 2014 22:01:15

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/cmc_cartes.php?code=0&ech=384&mode=1&carte=1


GEM control at 384 hours JFF


Also - the 18z has shunted things west and I smell a trend - Friday is getting colder.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Quantum
19 January 2014 22:30:15


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/cmc_cartes.php?code=0&ech=384&mode=1&carte=1


GEM control at 384 hours JFF


Also - the 18z has shunted things west and I smell a trend - Friday is getting colder.


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Please don't tell me that is the only way to find the -10C isotherm over the UK 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Whether Idle
19 January 2014 22:38:22



http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/cmc_cartes.php?code=0&ech=384&mode=1&carte=1


GEM control at 384 hours JFF


Also - the 18z has shunted things west and I smell a trend - Friday is getting colder.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Please don't tell me that is the only way to find the -10C isotherm over the UK 


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Probably!.  All nonsense pal, FI is 120 hours at the moment.


Though it has to be said what a mild and snowless winter we are having. 


Today was a pleasant day IMBY, more of that, not the dreaded rain and wind.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Gooner
19 January 2014 22:43:55

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014011918/gfsnh-10-312.png?18


The threat of some high level warming continues


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Whether Idle
19 January 2014 22:52:01

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?ech=120&carte=2000


Be interesting to see how much the fax chart for midday Friday changes as we approach t0


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Hungry Tiger
19 January 2014 23:14:18


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/cmc_cartes.php?code=0&ech=384&mode=1&carte=1


GEM control at 384 hours JFF


Also - the 18z has shunted things west and I smell a trend - Friday is getting colder.


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


There's some damned cold stuff there at the end of that run - if that verifies that'll keep the coldies happy.


 


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Chiltern Blizzard
19 January 2014 23:15:19

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?ech=120&carte=2000


Be interesting to see how much the fax chart for midday Friday changes as we approach t0

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 



If the fax for the same period in mid-Dec 2012 showed the 528dam west of the UK, but it ended up 500 miles further east come the day, presumably the same 'could' happen in reverse... Not so much clutching at straws but hoping your lotto numbers come up, on consecutive weeks.
Rendlesham, Suffolk 20m asl
ARTzeman
19 January 2014 23:16:43

Shall look forward to the charts on Thursday to show Definite change...






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Chiltern Blizzard
19 January 2014 23:21:33
The Ops clearly one of the mildest!... If it had been one of the coldest I'm guessing the mood would be different in here!
Rendlesham, Suffolk 20m asl
LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
19 January 2014 23:36:52
Well there is the 546 dam line and the 532 dam lines associated with succession of one after the other etc Low Pressure GFS 18z has predicted for whole part of North and the NE Atlantic it looks quite dire wet and windy at times that includes UK West and NW Europe.

Next 36 hours we have some cold weather still hanging about, and Tuesday later plus on Wednesday we will see further Low Pressure Spread East and SE, it brings less cold conditions but as it clears SE early on Thursday and we see Low Pressure that day building in far Western parts of UK it could turn colder again- with skies clearing and not much rain on the day.

Still worth being optimistic about 120h and T144, and at times for Upto next 8 days so as it could be upgraded as far as the Strength of the Scandy High Siberian High and newly forming possible Arctic High riffing in to Greenland and the NE Europe High drag WSW at 120 to 144h, and maybe a extension northwest and North the Mid West Central N Atlantic High, to spread it ridge North towards SE Greenland- so next Departing PV Low from New York to SW Newfoundland to Slow down and be dragged up through SE Canada and NE Newfoundland and near SW Greenland during now's or next few days runs.
Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
Gooner
20 January 2014 00:27:15

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/run/gensnh-0-1-384.png?18


right at the death of the control the AH appears...............again


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gusty
20 January 2014 06:08:30

Getting close to a slight easterly influence later on in the week in the far east of the UK, GFS has joined the party now too.


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014012000/gfs-1-108.png?0 GFS


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2014012000/UW96-21.GIF?20-06 UKMO


It's been worth the wait. 


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Gooner
20 January 2014 07:36:02


Getting close to a slight easterly influence later on in the week in the far east of the UK, GFS has joined the party now too.


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014012000/gfs-1-108.png?0 GFS


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2014012000/UW96-21.GIF?20-06 UKMO


It's been worth the wait. 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014012000/gfsnh-0-204.png?0


another one later down the line, very brief though


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


roger63
20 January 2014 08:15:58



Getting close to a slight easterly influence later on in the week in the far east of the UK, GFS has joined the party now too.


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014012000/gfs-1-108.png?0 GFS


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2014012000/UW96-21.GIF?20-06 UKMO


It's been worth the wait. 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014012000/gfsnh-0-204.png?0


another one later down the line, very brief though


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Is GFS,with its tricky sliding LP scenario , throwing us coldies a lifeline or leading us up the garden path,?


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=180&mode=0


Thrte is supprt from GEM and ECM(?).

Ally Pally Snowman
20 January 2014 08:30:55
Much better output this morning all round. The GFS ensembles look cool to cold now could be the odd surprise snow event around if the trend continues.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png 

The strat warming is still on and is maybe already having an effect on the output.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=288&mode=10&carte=1 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
The Beast from the East
20 January 2014 08:34:07

ECM still the party pooper. Interesting to see the ens later.


Always the chance of a wintry surprise later in the week with these slider lows interacting with continental air


 


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Ally Pally Snowman
20 January 2014 08:34:30
Good ECM ensemble mean. Day 8 very nearly has a widespread snow event.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem1922.html 
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
The Beast from the East
20 January 2014 08:38:17


The models are doing a very good impression of a girlfriend of mine from about 20 years ago... always teasing, but never delivering the goods.


 


Originally Posted by: NickR 



GFS showing a bit of leg today


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GIBBY
20 January 2014 08:48:11

Good morning folks. Here is the report from how I see things developing over the coming few weeks using the data from the midnight outputs from the NWP and lifted from my website at http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


All models follow a similar pattern of events through this week and the weekend. The UK lies in slack pressure currently with light winds, bright weather with clear or sunny intervals and frost and fog a feature over the next 24 hours. Tomorrow sees a new frontal system move slowly into the West and cross over to the East by Wednesday. Rain will move East slowly tomorrow and Wednesday before clearing in the West to showers and a cool NW breeze. All areas then see NW winds and scattered showers on Thursday before a ridge of High pressure crosses East late in the day and overnight with the return of frost and patchy fog. On Friday the ridge gives way slowly to a new frontal system with increasing SW winds and rain moving down from the NW through the day. The weekend is then shown by all models to remain changeable with further showers and some drier and brighter weather, this most likely on Sunday.


GFS then shows deteriorating conditions next week as a deep Low slips SE across the UK with gale force winds and heavy rain with colder weather sinking down behind to reach Southern areas by midweek. Some snowfall is possible on high ground for a time almost anywhere for a time on the exit SE of the Low and in the NE winds. Towards the end of the run the weather reverts to a chilly NW air mass type with further Low pressure areas sliding SE down over the UK or just to the NE with further rain and showers with sleet or snow on the hills at times in rather windy conditions.


The GFS Ensembles show very ordinary levels of temperature through the period with plenty of rain events still scattered about through the run from most members as the Atlantic continues to remain the source of our weather. The operational was one of the colder options later in the run but there is some other rather chillier options shown too but never desperately cold.


UKMO closes it's run next Sunday with a ridge of High pressure moving across from the West clearing away the early wintry showers from the NE to a dry and bright if rather chilly day with increasing cloud from the NW late in the day as the next system approaches.


GEM shows a much stronger NW flow next Sunday with plenty of showers, wintry in places under a strong NW wind. Towards the end of the run the weather remains often unsettled and windy with further rain and showers turning to snow in places as it, like GFS shows a brief NE flow across the UK.


NAVGEM shows Atlantic systems based to the North of the UK continuing to influence the UK weather with further fronts crossing West to East over the UK with rain and showers at times in brisk winds and temperatures close to average.


ECM today has Low pressure following next Sunday's ridge crossing ESE to the NE of Scotland and dragging blustery NW winds with rain followed by showers affecting the UK early next week with snow on hills in the North. This then sets the tome and pattern for further unsettled conditions at the end of the run as a Westerly flow continues to bring further unsettled weather later.


The ECM 9 and 10 Day Mean Charts continue to show it's ongoing theme of the most likely pattern in 10 days time. The favoured option looks to be a trough down the North Sea attached to low pressure to the NW. High pressure lies to the SW and NE with the UK likely to be just on the western fringe of the north sea trough indicative of West or NW winds and rain at times and some periods of cooler and showery weather with some wintry showers possible on the hills in temperatures generally near or just below average.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


The Jet Stream shows the flow maintaining it's current pattern for some time yet before a strengthening of the flow spawns some deeper Low pressure areas next week. The overall position remains uncertain then with a mix of options taking it more NE towards Scandinavia while others maintain the flow much like it's current position.


In Summary very changeable weather remains the most likely pattern for the weather over the UK in the next 10-14 days. It looks very likely that Low pressure areas will continue to feed down from the NW over the period with further rain and showers at times. There will be colder air across the other side of the North Sea with fronts becoming slow moving at times close to the East coast and any shift of these further West could bring Eastern areas at risk of some snow at times. In general though snow is more likely on polar maritime incursions from the NW between weather systems. While it is unlikely that disruptive rainfall is likely over the period in view that ground water levels are at saturation point any rain that falls over the period will continue to be unwelcome and there will certainly be some wet weather at times.


Martin G
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roger63
20 January 2014 08:50:58

GEFS ENs Ratio Zonal to Anticyclonic flow 


144h 90:10


In the period 96h-120h around 30% of ENS have a whiff of an easterly geeting in albeit pushed away by 144h/The Scandi HP has pushed further west and some of ENS have a more substantial cut off low with light easterlies round the top.


240h 60:40  


Roughly 40% of Ens support t the sinking LP scenario with an easterly or northerly flow following.Signs of subsantial HP rise to th east l 


360h 80:20


Zonal in control


 

Rob K
20 January 2014 09:13:29
Two chilly air masses meet up right over the UK by t240 in GFS

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2402.png 
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