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KevBrads1
21 January 2014 18:01:39

Today's Moan:


 


Why is the Azores High so bloody stubborn, barging out of the way any Atlantic Low that bumps into it, when any Arctic or Scandanavia gets bullied by the same Atlantic lows?


 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 



Why are you moaning when you have actually a chance of seeing something wintry from those cold WNWly flows?


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Matty H
21 January 2014 18:57:26

Today's Moan:


 


Why is the Azores High so bloody stubborn, barging out of the way any Atlantic Low that bumps into it, when any Arctic or Scandanavia gets bullied by the same Atlantic lows?


 

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 



Why are you moaning when you have actually a chance of seeing something wintry from those cold WNWly flows?


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 



Look at the Prem table 😉

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Snowjoke
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21 January 2014 21:58:06

Let's face it guys and gals, this winter is getting worse with every passing week. Just been watching Winterwatch on BBC and the team have gone to the coldest part of the UK (the stunning Mar Lodge Estate near Braemar, where I once worked!!) in search of cold weather and snow.


What have they got? Flooded rivers, soaking wet ground and green all around. It just started snowing on the programme, but it is wet horrible stuff, not even sticking!! 


Let's face it, if Braemar can't get decent snowfall in January, then surely that is a measure of what a pile of steaming dog poo this winter is!! 


I am 46 and this winter (so far) will rank in my top five of the very worst (some of those noughties ones will be in there too ) during my lifetime!


Just awful and meanwhile the USA and China have awesome snowfall and record cold!! I'm flying out to the Dordogne on Thursday to check out a property..can't wait to get away!


 

tallyho_83
21 January 2014 22:41:53


Let's face it guys and gals, this winter is getting worse with every passing week. Just been watching Winterwatch on BBC and the team have gone to the coldest part of the UK (the stunning Mar Lodge Estate near Braemar, where I once worked!!) in search of cold weather and snow.


What have they got? Flooded rivers, soaking wet ground and green all around. It just started snowing on the programme, but it is wet horrible stuff, not even sticking!! 


Let's face it, if Braemar can't get decent snowfall in January, then surely that is a measure of what a pile of steaming dog poo this winter is!! 


I am 46 and this winter (so far) will rank in my top five of the very worst (some of those noughties ones will be in there too ) during my lifetime!


Just awful and meanwhile the USA and China have awesome snowfall and record cold!! I'm flying out to the Dordogne on Thursday to check out a property..can't wait to get away!


 


Originally Posted by: Snowjoke 


 


I hear you! - take a look at New York now:


https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=cr&ei=O_feUpjGKs6ihge28IHwDg#q=new+york+weather


 

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tallyho_83
21 January 2014 22:43:52

Plus it's -10c and snowing!!

http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/timessquare/

Not fair! I guess this will me +10c for us with rain and gales sometime early next week!

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Andy Woodcock
21 January 2014 23:15:08

For all of you suffering this wonderful, mild winter, you'll get your revenge in spring. I'll take a bet up now with anyone that winter will arrive in the shape of a cold and unsettled spring with talk of convective snow showers etc. you wait....

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



I doubt it, statistically mild winters are followed by mild springs in 80% of cases! indeed, it's probably one of the most reliable forms of long term weather forecasting using pattern matching.

Doesn't always work of course and the 70's winters/springs bucked the trend but the overall statistics are very clear.

My money is on a very early spring as it was a very mild winter.

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Quantum
22 January 2014 00:49:24


Plus it's -10c and snowing!!

http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/timessquare/

Not fair! I guess this will me +10c for us with rain and gales sometime early next week!


Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City#Climate


According to wikipedia the coldest temp recorded in New york in jan before now was only -6C this must be their equivilant of '47 or something!

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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
tallyho_83
22 January 2014 01:16:25


Plus it's -10c and snowing!!

http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/timessquare/




Not fair! I guess this will me +10c for us with rain and gales sometime early next week!


Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


 


It's still snowing!


http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/timessquare/


 

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Retron
22 January 2014 03:38:43


According to wikipedia the coldest temp recorded in New york in jan before now was only -6C this must be their equivilant of '47 or something!


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


-6F.

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Rob K
22 January 2014 11:55:07



According to wikipedia the coldest temp recorded in New york in jan before now was only -6C this must be their equivilant of '47 or something!


Originally Posted by: Retron 


-6F.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Yes it gets a lot colder than -6C in New York in winter. The wind blows right through you, it's no place for the old, like the song says... 

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Quantum
22 January 2014 12:38:54




According to wikipedia the coldest temp recorded in New york in jan before now was only -6C this must be their equivilant of '47 or something!


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


-6F.


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Yes it gets a lot colder than -6C in New York in winter. The wind blows right through you, it's no place for the old, like the song says... 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


-6F Lol Americans and their lack of understanding of the metric system! 

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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Matty H
22 January 2014 13:42:26
F is a more accurate form of measuring temperature than C. An example of where the metric system isn't the best.
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idj20
22 January 2014 13:56:14

F is a more accurate form of measuring temperature than C. An example of where the metric system isn't the best.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



It also makes it sound more awesome when it comes to heatwaves. Like, 104 F comes cross as being more headline hitting than 40 C.

Although, thinking about it, I notice us men always use the imperial system when it comes to bragging about our pe . . . person. After all, 23 cm does sound more impressive than 9 inches.

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Jive Buddy
22 January 2014 16:12:44


F is a more accurate form of measuring temperature than C. An example of where the metric system isn't the best.

Originally Posted by: idj20 



It also makes it sound more awesome when it comes to heatwaves. Like, 104 F comes cross as being more headline hitting than 40 C.


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


On the other hand (is four fingers and a thumb), headline cold weather is "Below Zero", not "Below 32"

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Rob K
22 January 2014 16:38:19

F is a more accurate form of measuring temperature than C. An example of where the metric system isn't the best.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


How is it "more accurate"? You can quote temperature to any degree of accuracy you want whether it's in Fahrenheit, Celsius, Kelvin or any other scale, surely?


 


You could argue that Fahrenheit is more "precise" (not the same thing as "accurate") because the degrees are only 5/9 as big as Celsius, but then Celsius temperatures are usually read (for official purposes) to 0.1C, whereas Fahrenheit ones are only read to 0.2F, so it makes very little difference in the real world.


 


I always used to think in terms of Fahrenheit for heatwaves (90F etc) but Celsius in winter (-10C), but these days I tend to think more in C at both ends of the scale.


 


I do think Fahrenheit is maybe more suited to really cold places, like Canada (where they use Celsius anyway), as you know that when it gets below zero (F) it is truly into the brass monkey zone. In Britain, where it rarely ever gets that cold, winter temps of, say, 25F just sound very unimpressive.

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Quantum
22 January 2014 19:09:13

Best month of the winter has gone. These are the number of very cold winter months achiving the benchline


-3C or below 


January: 2


-2 or below


January: 6


-1 or below


January: 12


February: 6


0 or below


January: 24


February: 9


December: 8


1 or below


January: 52


February: 28


December: 17


March: 1


 


 

Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Essan
22 January 2014 19:27:40


Best month of the winter has gone. These are the number of very cold winter months achiving the benchline


-3C or below 


January: 2


-2 or below


January: 6


-1 or below


January: 12


February: 6


0 or below


January: 24


February: 9


December: 8


1 or below


January: 52


February: 28


December: 17


March: 1


 

Originally Posted by: Quantum 



I guess that's over the whole CET record?  How does it look over the past 30 years?  There's been quite a few mild Jans of late.

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tallyho_83
23 January 2014 10:15:22
Woke up to see same old GFS charts and weather pattern!!! Boring! At least it's cooler zonal weather but what we need is more than one day of frost or dry weather to dry out clear those bugs away!! Just that we can't seem to get that right now and looks like we wont this January.

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Marc
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25 January 2014 10:10:54
Mid December was maybe to early for this thread. But by now it's well and truly deserved. This has been the most stunningly meteorologically depressing winter. December for its incredible mildness wind and rain, January although less mild equally dreich. No notable snow or frost to come in the reliable timeframe.
Nearly 200m asl in the grampians, zero snow days and less frosts than fingers on my hands. Haven't gone below -3, incredible. Mild is fine but the last few weekends have seen dark days with heavy rain, so nae chance to see decent daylight outside of work hours. It's that cloud induced darkness on top of mega rain that for me seals it's place as an uber disappointing winter, well so far as the weather is concerned.
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Snow falling, 5
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Air frosts, 12
Ice days, 0 (ZERO)
Marc
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26 January 2014 09:42:20
I should complain more often, it's actually snowing and was white at 9am. Only 57 days into winter....doesn't look like it's going to last though.
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Snow falling, 5
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Air frosts, 12
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richardabdn
26 January 2014 12:52:27

This hateful nauseatingly awful winter keeps on plumbing new depths. Yet another hideous write-off weekend. Yesterday was supposed to be a fine day but it was another vile overcast day with rain. Today about a thousand times worse.


Yes, it's an even more revolting day than last Sunday. 3C constant rain and 40mph SE winds. It's beyond the pale. Hard to imagine how it could get any worse than this but always a possibility when stinking awful filth like this 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn781.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1021.png


appears in the model output. Third crap birthday weather in a row for me if that lot verifies


Should be an even worse week than last week which was the grimmest yet from this unceasing pile of excrement of a winter. Probably no more sun for the rest of the month now and there has only been 8 hours in the past 9 days. Rain every day since the 12th. No big rain totals nor any fine days just consistently awful day in day out.


I don't know what the hell we've done to deserve this but it is really starting to look like we may see the worst ever winter just 18 months on from the worst ever summer. I don't keep a winter index like I do a summer index but a simple measure to assess the worst ever winter would be to calculate the proportion of wind from the SE quarter and whatever comes out top would be the worst.



 

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Matty H
26 January 2014 12:58:13
It's a more finer increment of measurement. It's like saying mm are more precise than cm. that simple.


Edit: I meant precise, but forgot the TWO hair splitting tool was out on loan.
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Whether Idle
26 January 2014 13:11:36


This hateful nauseatingly awful winter keeps on plumbing new depths. Yet another hideous write-off weekend. Yesterday was supposed to be a fine day but it was another vile overcast day with rain. Today about a thousand times worse.


Yes, it's an even more revolting day than last Sunday. 3C constant rain and 40mph SE winds. It's beyond the pale. Hard to imagine how it could get any worse than this but always a possibility when stinking awful filth like this 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn781.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1021.png


appears in the model output. Third crap birthday weather in a row for me if that lot verifies


Should be an even worse week than last week which was the grimmest yet from this unceasing pile of excrement of a winter. Probably no more sun for the rest of the month now and there has only been 8 hours in the past 9 days. Rain every day since the 12th. No big rain totals nor any fine days just consistently awful day in day out.


I don't know what the hell we've done to deserve this but it is really starting to look like we may see the worst ever winter just 18 months on from the worst ever summer. I don't keep a winter index like I do a summer index but a simple measure to assess the worst ever winter would be to calculate the proportion of wind from the SE quarter and whatever comes out top would be the worst.



 


Originally Posted by: richardabdn 


Try not to let it get you down, its only the weather after all..


You may be rewarded for tolerating this poor winter by being rewarded with a blossoming spring

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Gusty
26 January 2014 13:32:39


This hateful nauseatingly awful winter keeps on plumbing new depths. Yet another hideous write-off weekend. Yesterday was supposed to be a fine day but it was another vile overcast day with rain. Today about a thousand times worse.


Yes, it's an even more revolting day than last Sunday. 3C constant rain and 40mph SE winds. It's beyond the pale. Hard to imagine how it could get any worse than this but always a possibility when stinking awful filth like this 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn781.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1021.png


appears in the model output. Third crap birthday weather in a row for me if that lot verifies


Should be an even worse week than last week which was the grimmest yet from this unceasing pile of excrement of a winter. Probably no more sun for the rest of the month now and there has only been 8 hours in the past 9 days. Rain every day since the 12th. No big rain totals nor any fine days just consistently awful day in day out.


I don't know what the hell we've done to deserve this but it is really starting to look like we may see the worst ever winter just 18 months on from the worst ever summer. I don't keep a winter index like I do a summer index but a simple measure to assess the worst ever winter would be to calculate the proportion of wind from the SE quarter and whatever comes out top would be the worst.



 


Originally Posted by: richardabdn 


Horrendous Richard. The Aberdeen climate sounds truly awful. I used to envy your climate..eg cold northerly snowy blasts in winter and relatively warm and dry fohn conditions in Summer. Seems it doesn't work that way these days ? 

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ARTzeman
26 January 2014 14:21:47

Will we or will we not have some SNOW overnight.. Showed up on the weather video form the BBC this morning.. No doubt it will be just more sepulchral gloom....





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