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NickR
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23 January 2014 02:26:26

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Nick
Durham
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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
23 January 2014 05:55:39
The 00z GFS has this Friday and Saturday Low track East Into the UK, Wet and Windy mild Friday then WNW winds by Saturday with another area of rain and Showers moving East SE cooler from the West and NW.

Sunday turns Windy with heavy and Torrential rain or heavy rain with it moving ENE from the West, some Severe Gales are expected, turning West NW winds and the rain is replaced with heavy and blustery showers again winds with them too at Gale Strength and higher.

This continues Across UK with more Heavy showers of rain and sleet and the Cyclonic winds Westerly to NW and it will be a colder than if lately day but any snow will likely fall on higher than 150 metres ASL or above 200m.

And it looks like Colder and more Wintry weather with NW winds turn North then NE on Tuesday and Wednesday next week and with the risk of wintry showers more particularly in Southern Eastern and SE parts of the country later Tuesday and on Wednesday.

Further ahead to T204- More rain sleet and Snow later Thursday and Friday next week with West to NW winds coming from a cold NW Atlantic.
Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
nsrobins
23 January 2014 06:56:37

Anincreasingly bleak prospect for areas prone to flooding this weekend as a deep low gets stalled by the block and slowly sinks and fills in situ over the UK.
Once again this winter it's not snow and ice grabbing the headlines, but rain and wind.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Richard K
23 January 2014 07:06:19
For cold weather, some straws to clutch are provided by the GFS ensembles in FI, there's a collection of 3-4 runs (more on the Aberdeen chart) that hover between -5 and -10 for a stretch at the end, I wonder if they are N/W or E?
http://www.jp2webdesign.co.uk/two/ensembles/ 
Saffron Walden, NW Essex, approx 70m above sea level (when the tide is out)
Arcus
23 January 2014 07:15:21

For cold weather, some straws to clutch are provided by the GFS ensembles in FI, there's a collection of 3-4 runs (more on the Aberdeen chart) that hover between -5 and -10 for a stretch at the end, I wonder if they are N/W or E?
Originally Posted by: Richard K 

">http://www.jp2webdesign.co.uk/two/ensembles/


NE. The uncercutting low remains deep and doesn't move of SE as quickly, allowing a longer and more prolonged fetch from the NE for midlands northwards.


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/run/gens-8-1-132.png?0


 


Some ineteresting output knocking about, but still looking marginal in terms of snow for most lowland areas, and the more prolonged colder runs (as above) are in the minority.


 


Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
roger63
23 January 2014 08:03:56

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?nh=1&ech=144&carte=1021


Great chart from METO.PV split, Arcitc N Scandi HP.Double slider.

soperman
23 January 2014 08:11:24


Anincreasingly bleak prospect for areas prone to flooding this weekend as a deep low gets stalled by the block and slowly sinks and fills in situ over the UK.
Once again this winter it's not snow and ice grabbing the headlines, but rain and wind.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


 


Scotland may also share the headlines with the charts signalling heavy snowfall for many days.  The ski industry will be very happy.  The GFS 372 chart...Scandi high says  ''kiss my ass'' to the low.....a perfect heart.  

Gooner
23 January 2014 08:29:58


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?nh=1&ech=144&carte=1021


Great chart from METO.PV split, Arcitc N Scandi HP.Double slider.


Originally Posted by: roger63 


Best of this mornings output IMO


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


roger63
23 January 2014 08:44:37



http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?nh=1&ech=144&carte=1021


Great chart from METO.PV split, Arcitc N Scandi HP.Double slider.


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Best of this mornings output IMO


Originally Posted by: roger63 


Then Gooner you will also be encouraged by GEFS.True it consigns next weeks cold spell to a couple of days but hints of a longer term movement.The ENs easterly proportions are shown below.


144h 70%


168h 75%


192h 40%


240h 15%


360h 45%


We can only hope that the METO evolution post 144h is better than this.However Gfs has some snow programmed for Friday on the op.


 

Stormchaser
23 January 2014 08:55:28

Will it flatten? This was on my mind around this time last year, as a flatter trough can bring in the continental air across a wider region of the UK more quickly and effectively.


ECM takes a bit too long and is a brief affair, with the Atlantic then arriving with too much force for a battleground scenario to last more than a very short time.


GFS has the least favourable trough early next week, yet manages more of a battleground setup at the end of higher-res (192 hours), before things become more mobile again in FI.


 


One could sum up the model output in a broad sense as "Noah's flood, with the chance of some snow".


For example, GFS gives my home location 31.3mm by the end of the weeekend, with similar amounts then following Monday-Friday. On the last of those days, there's a 25% chance of snow... 


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Gooner
23 January 2014 08:58:34

Just looked at some of the temps from GFS , certainly a chilly run


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


JACKO4EVER
23 January 2014 09:03:31



http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?nh=1&ech=144&carte=1021


Great chart from METO.PV split, Arcitc N Scandi HP.Double slider.


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Best of this mornings output IMO


Originally Posted by: roger63 


Morning all. Interesting chart that, but I feel it should be treated in isolation. The outlook from what I can see is increasingly cool and wet, though the Scottish ski industry should be pleased. Away from elevated Northern areas it will feel raw at times with some wind and rain.  

The Beast from the East
23 January 2014 09:16:05

quite a cold set of ECM ens for De Bilt


http://www.knmi.nl/exp/pluim/vijftiendaagse/index.php


Our rain on Sunday will turn to snow in Holland.


"We have some alternative facts for you"
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idj20
23 January 2014 09:38:35

R.I.P. to the trusty NAE model, which I used for short range forecasting as it was finally put to sleep this morning. Now having to use the EURO4 output for my own forecasting needs. I ike the high res-look about it but it doesn't cover the Atlantic (only the UK and Europe). I then flit to GFS for temperature, wind direction and medium range forecasting, etc, etc, yadda, yadda and so forth. I don't find myself looking at ECM too much for medium range forecasting as it changes it's mind more often than a set of traffic lights.

Anyway, back on topic. To be honest, once we get past the spell of rough weather over the next three or four days, all I can see are cold rain and marginal snowfalls as we go into next week - it's where temperatures at the 850 hpa level are very borderline for snow, so it'll all be down to evaporative cooling, elevation, living in t'north, etc. Something for Quantum to get his teeth into.
 
Can't complain about the lack of variety, that's for sure.


Folkestone Harbour. 
GlenH
23 January 2014 09:39:16


 


Morning all. Interesting chart that, but I feel it should be treated in isolation. The outlook from what I can see is increasingly cool and wet, though the Scottish ski industry should be pleased. 


Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


 


Not really required - there's plenty of snow already:


 


http://www.winterhighland.info/pix/displaypic.php?id=27622,947#start


 


Anyway, the output this morning is quite encouraging for snow in the north, although it's amazing such a big block can't hold firm. Just goes to show how strong the atlantic is this winter.

Gooner
23 January 2014 09:53:38




http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?nh=1&ech=144&carte=1021


Great chart from METO.PV split, Arcitc N Scandi HP.Double slider.


Originally Posted by: roger63 


Best of this mornings output IMO


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Then Gooner you will also be encouraged by GEFS.True it consigns next weeks cold spell to a couple of days but hints of a longer term movement.The ENs easterly proportions are shown below.


144h 70%


168h 75%


192h 40%


240h 15%


360h 45%


We can only hope that the METO evolution post 144h is better than this.However Gfs has some snow programmed for Friday on the op.


 


Originally Posted by: roger63 


Looks much better


 


Cheers Roger


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Charmhills
23 January 2014 09:56:16


Anincreasingly bleak prospect for areas prone to flooding this weekend as a deep low gets stalled by the block and slowly sinks and fills in situ over the UK.
Once again this winter it's not snow and ice grabbing the headlines, but rain and wind.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Indeed, very unsettled and wet though cold air is never far away at times so I suppose there's always the possibility of something interesting happening at short notice.


Otherwise its .


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
Charmhills
23 January 2014 09:59:44


R.I.P. to the trusty NAE model, which I used for short range forecasting as it was finally put to sleep this morning. Now having to use the EURO4 output for my own forecasting needs. I ike the high res-look about it but it doesn't cover the Atlantic (only the UK and Europe). I then flit to GFS for temperature, wind direction and medium range forecasting, etc, etc, yadda, yadda and so forth. I don't find myself looking at ECM too much for medium range forecasting as it changes it's mind more often than a set of traffic lights.

Anyway, back on topic. To be honest, once we get past the spell of rough weather over the next three or four days, all I can see are cold rain and marginal snowfalls as we go into next week - it's where temperatures at the 850 hpa level are very borderline for snow, so it'll all be down to evaporative cooling, elevation, living in t'north, etc. Something for Quantum to get his teeth into.
 
Can't complain about the lack of variety, that's for sure.


Originally Posted by: idj20 


The NAE is updateing again.


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
Gooner
23 January 2014 10:32:45

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1321.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1324.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn13217.png


A cold raw day next Tuesday


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1561.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn15617.png


Even colder on Wednesday


 


 


 


 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Maunder Minimum
23 January 2014 10:37:33


That should be cold enough for wet snow in the Midlands.

New world order coming.
Charmhills
23 January 2014 10:39:32

Cold, wet and miserable yuk!


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
idj20
23 January 2014 10:41:33



R.I.P. to the trusty NAE model, which I used for short range forecasting as it was finally put to sleep this morning. Now having to use the EURO4 output for my own forecasting needs. I ike the high res-look about it but it doesn't cover the Atlantic (only the UK and Europe). I then flit to GFS for temperature, wind direction and medium range forecasting, etc, etc, yadda, yadda and so forth. I don't find myself looking at ECM too much for medium range forecasting as it changes it's mind more often than a set of traffic lights.

Anyway, back on topic. To be honest, once we get past the spell of rough weather over the next three or four days, all I can see are cold rain and marginal snowfalls as we go into next week - it's where temperatures at the 850 hpa level are very borderline for snow, so it'll all be down to evaporative cooling, elevation, living in t'north, etc. Something for Quantum to get his teeth into.
 
Can't complain about the lack of variety, that's for sure.


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


The NAE is updateing again.


Originally Posted by: idj20 



Ooo, didn't know that. Just that weatheronline.co.uk had dropped the NAE model from their menu: http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&CONT=euro&MODELL=gfs&VAR=prec


Folkestone Harbour. 
roger63
23 January 2014 12:03:59

The GFS 06h op consigns any easterly flow to single day


Ens are a bit more promising(% are easterly flow)


120 h (tue) 50%


144h (wed) 75%


168h (thu) 65%


192h (Fri) 35%


240h (sun 25%


360h  (fri) 35%


Roughly 5 ens persist through to 360h


The main problem withe sliders and filling is that if they track too far north more likely to be nothing but cold rain-cool zonal type.

JACKO4EVER
23 January 2014 12:13:21


Some cool miserable wet tripe there Marcus- definitely a couple of days to possibly stay indoors. I think some flooding problems may arise next week.


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