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idj20
31 January 2014 10:55:54



And it's back again, high pressure to settle things down just before Valentine's day. Again, the 00z runs seem to like doing that so I bet it'll get snatched away in the next run: http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=euro&MODELL=gfs&MODELLTYP=1&BASE=-&VAR=pslv&HH=300&ZOOM=0&ARCHIV=0&RES=0&WMO=&PERIOD


Originally Posted by: roger63 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=288&mode=0


The 06 GFS  toys with the establishment of HP out at 288h.First sign of anything  that might slow down the Atlantic train.However the op ha little support from the ENS.


Originally Posted by: idj20 



Hi Roger. At least the latest GFS run is still holding onto the idea: http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=euro&MODELL=gfs&MODELLTYP=1&BASE=201401310600&VAR=prec&HH=300&ZOOM=0&ARCHIV=0&RES=0&WMO=&PERIOD= In fact, it's showing the "slow down" to take place soon as the 10th. To my own eyes, it is less worrying looking than it did in the 18z run  . . . but again *sigh* it's still a million miles away in forecasting terms but at least it's trying to head the right way in terms of hoping for a calmer and slacker situation over the UK as we go into the middle part of the month. 
 
However, until then, the GFS is still showing severe gales as well as further rain over Southern and Western parts on Wednesday night courtesy of a secondary low pressure (that dreaded southerly gales occurring at night time thing again!) . . . http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=euro&MODELL=gfs&MODELLTYP=1&BASE=201401310600&VAR=prec&HH=114&ZOOM=0&ARCHIV=0&RES=0&WMO=&PERIOD


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roger63
31 January 2014 11:07:30




And it's back again, high pressure to settle things down just before Valentine's day. Again, the 00z runs seem to like doing that so I bet it'll get snatched away in the next run: http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=euro&MODELL=gfs&MODELLTYP=1&BASE=-&VAR=pslv&HH=300&ZOOM=0&ARCHIV=0&RES=0&WMO=&PERIOD


Originally Posted by: idj20 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=288&mode=0


The 06 GFS  toys with the establishment of HP out at 288h.First sign of anything  that might slow down the Atlantic train.However the op ha little support from the ENS.


Originally Posted by: roger63 



Hi Roger. At least the latest GFS run is still holding onto the idea: http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=euro&MODELL=gfs&MODELLTYP=1&BASE=201401310600&VAR=prec&HH=300&ZOOM=0&ARCHIV=0&RES=0&WMO=&PERIOD= In fact, it's showing the "slow down" to take place soon as the 10th. To my own eyes, it is less worrying looking than it did in the 18z run  . . . but again *sigh* it's still a million miles away in forecasting terms but at least it's trying to head the right way in terms of hoping for a calmer and slacker situation over the UK as we go into the middle part of the month. 
 
However, until then, the GFS is still showing severe gales as well as further rain over Southern and Western parts on Wednesday night courtesy of a secondary low pressure (that dreaded southerly gales occurring at night time thing again!) . . . http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=euro&MODELL=gfs&MODELLTYP=1&BASE=201401310600&VAR=prec&HH=114&ZOOM=0&ARCHIV=0&RES=0&WMO=&PERIOD


Originally Posted by: idj20 


the 06h GGFS develops the ridge at 288h into a fully blown HP block by 384h.Be interesting to see what ensenble support exists.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=288&mode=0


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=312&mode=0


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=336&mode=0


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=360&mode=0


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=384&mode=0


 


 


 

Charmhills
31 January 2014 11:10:00

A cold block to the east will come to nothing you can bet on it.


In the meantime it remains very unsettled and ofter wet for many.


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31 January 2014 11:43:41

Another day and yet another set of ghastly output.


I have now lost hope of seeing any wintry weather this season IMBY and my only remaining interest in following the models is a curiosity to identify the event or events that finally brings an end to this seemigly unstoppable juggernaut, for end it must - eventually


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Quantum
31 January 2014 12:38:37


A cold block to the east will come to nothing you can bet on it.


In the meantime it remains very unsettled and ofter wet for many.


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


As long as purple remains over E canada and W greenland. 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
31 January 2014 13:18:37

Some strat influence in the trop by the 12th on the CFS. Notice how those angry purples west of greenland have relaxed and a surface high has formed.


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfs/runs/2014013100/run1m/cfsnh-0-294.png?00


By 14th significant blocking in greenland area 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfs/runs/2014013100/run1m/cfsnh-0-354.png?00


Realistically though effects should only become prominent by the 18th. 


 


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
ITSY
31 January 2014 13:49:52


Some strat influence in the trop by the 12th on the CFS. Notice how those angry purples west of greenland have relaxed and a surface high has formed.


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfs/runs/2014013100/run1m/cfsnh-0-294.png?00


By 14th significant blocking in greenland area 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfs/runs/2014013100/run1m/cfsnh-0-354.png?00


Realistically though effects should only become prominent by the 18th. 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 



This is very interesting - shame its on the CFS. Certainly in the same place to the stratospheric warming

Gusty
31 January 2014 13:58:12

...back to the here and now, this is serious.


http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2014013106/192-777UK.GIF?31-6


 


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Gavin P
31 January 2014 14:29:52

Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


An Alarming Update From The JMA Model


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Suggest's February could be a wash-out on top of this exceptionally wet January!


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Stormchaser
31 January 2014 14:38:58

http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140131/06/114/ukprec.png


http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140131/06/114/ukwind.png


http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140131/06/114/h850t850eu.png


Wednesday's frontal system might be a particularly strong affair judging by this GFS output. Haven't seen mean winds in the red ahead of a frontal boundary in the Channel since that ferocious December (just before Christmas) event.


http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2014013106/114-289UK.GIF?31-6


The gusts are currently being modelled as being not quite as strong except for in the Channel - hopefully that's as potent as it ever gets modelled to be.


http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2014013106/126-289UK.GIF?31-6


An impressive swathe of westerlies follows on behind - it takes a lot to produce much from a westerly across the Central-South and Southeast regions.


 


Energetic times ahead, and I can't quite comprehend just how high the rivers could be by next weekend 


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Gooner
31 January 2014 14:48:15


Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


An Alarming Update From The JMA Model


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Suggest's February could be a wash-out on top of this exceptionally wet January!


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


The first half is certainly looking that way


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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David M Porter
31 January 2014 14:57:33


Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


An Alarming Update From The JMA Model


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Suggest's February could be a wash-out on top of this exceptionally wet January!


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Let's all hope & pray that the JMA, and the EC 32 day update mentioned earlier, are both proved wrong, for the sake of those that have already suffered serious problems due to the flooding.


IIRC this turbulent spell of weather first commenced during the weekend of 14/15th December; that's now almost 7 weeks ago. Surely it can't go on for another 7 weeks!


Lenzie, Glasgow

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Sevendust
31 January 2014 15:00:26



Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


An Alarming Update From The JMA Model


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Suggest's February could be a wash-out on top of this exceptionally wet January!


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Let's all hope & pray that the JMA, and the EC 32 day update mentioned earlier, are both proved wrong, for the sake of those that have already suffered serious problems due to the flooding.


IIRC this turbulent spell of weather first commenced during the weekend of 14/15th December; that's now almost 7 weeks ago. Surely it can't go on for another 7 weeks!


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Correct - In the final analysis, this spell will be looked back on for a long time to come

Saint Snow
31 January 2014 15:38:16




Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


An Alarming Update From The JMA Model


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Suggest's February could be a wash-out on top of this exceptionally wet January!


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Let's all hope & pray that the JMA, and the EC 32 day update mentioned earlier, are both proved wrong, for the sake of those that have already suffered serious problems due to the flooding.


IIRC this turbulent spell of weather first commenced during the weekend of 14/15th December; that's now almost 7 weeks ago. Surely it can't go on for another 7 weeks!


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Correct - In the final analysis, this spell will be looked back on for a long time to come


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


 


Been very regionalised, though. Up here, for instance, I've never thought it's been that wet. Seeing the MetO map for Jan rainfall bears that out - probably half the country has had less than around 150% of rainfall, with substantial areas getting average or below average.


But some parts (predominantly the SW and S of England) have been absolutely deluged - and repeatedly so.


I'll mostly remember this winter for its lack of cold (if I've not wiped it from memory), but I appreciate many others in the flood-affected areas remembering it for being ridiculously soggy


 



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31 January 2014 15:47:25

GFS looks springlike by the 12th.
On the Radio 4 weather view thing at 00:30 they often used to mention the Winter's Back being broken by a mild spell at Valentine's Day.


Gavin P
31 January 2014 16:44:00



Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


An Alarming Update From The JMA Model


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Suggest's February could be a wash-out on top of this exceptionally wet January!


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Let's all hope & pray that the JMA, and the EC 32 day update mentioned earlier, are both proved wrong, for the sake of those that have already suffered serious problems due to the flooding.


IIRC this turbulent spell of weather first commenced during the weekend of 14/15th December; that's now almost 7 weeks ago. Surely it can't go on for another 7 weeks!


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


I think JMA's probably over-doing it and we'll see a change to drier conditions mid-month (not sure about temperatures, depends whether high pressure originates from south or north)


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JoeShmoe99
31 January 2014 16:48:29

Very hard not to hit the WIO button seeing charts like these mid Feb


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2161.png


Long way to anything cold from there


Roll on spring

doctormog
31 January 2014 16:52:18

Very hard not to hit the WIO button seeing charts like these mid Feb
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2161.png 
Long way to anything cold from there
Roll on springUserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: JoeShmoe99 



The problem is even that is not overly mild either Joe. The outlook is just as it has been: cold enough for mainly hill snow, otherwise copious amounts of rain and frequent windy conditions. Groundsog Day. 😴
David M Porter
31 January 2014 17:00:05





Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


An Alarming Update From The JMA Model


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Suggest's February could be a wash-out on top of this exceptionally wet January!


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Let's all hope & pray that the JMA, and the EC 32 day update mentioned earlier, are both proved wrong, for the sake of those that have already suffered serious problems due to the flooding.


IIRC this turbulent spell of weather first commenced during the weekend of 14/15th December; that's now almost 7 weeks ago. Surely it can't go on for another 7 weeks!


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Correct - In the final analysis, this spell will be looked back on for a long time to come


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


 


Been very regionalised, though. Up here, for instance, I've never thought it's been that wet. Seeing the MetO map for Jan rainfall bears that out - probably half the country has had less than around 150% of rainfall, with substantial areas getting average or below average.


But some parts (predominantly the SW and S of England) have been absolutely deluged - and repeatedly so.


I'll mostly remember this winter for its lack of cold (if I've not wiped it from memory), but I appreciate many others in the flood-affected areas remembering it for being ridiculously soggy


 


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


I think that NW Scotland, bizarrely enough, has had less rainfall during January than anywhere else, and it usually gets more than any other part of the UK!


Back on topic: The GFS 12z does show the atlantic calming down to some extent in the latter stages of the run, but we could really do with that happening ASAP or I fear there will be a major flooding crisis in many parts of the country, as if that isn't the case in some places already.


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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
31 January 2014 17:06:51
A Simple 12z Analysis of GFS to Friday 12z at 168h, and UKMO backs it up at T120 and T144.

Today and Saturday plus Early on Sunday, Active Deep Low dominates UK with Temperatures at Average or a few degrees below normal, Gales some severe and After Heavy Rain of Today next two days See saw from. very Unsettled with heavy showers, Sunday moves better weather in from the South and SW.

Monday, rain band moves across, some scattered showers, moderate to strong South and SW winds with a Weakening Low move North then NW.

Monday evening night and to Midday Tuesday - West to SW flow strong moderate winds band of heavy rain as well as Showers ahead of it, p.m Tuesday late the Wet and Windy Deepening Low moves NE some heavy rain with it, Wenesday Deep Low Pressure and Gale to Severe Gale Winds across all of the UK band of heavy rain then very scattered heavy blustery showers for many.

On Thursday SW winds slacker flow PV Low clears away to NE, but late in day Windy with another Area of Heavy rain with mild weather moves to Southern and Central UK, Western to Northern UK will see sunny spells and lighter winds by then, at t168 Friday Large LP for Central and S UK with heavy rain or thundery showers and very Windy with gales there.
Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
Whether Idle
31 January 2014 18:28:03

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/royaume-uni/accumulation-precipitations/192h.htm


More shocking accumulations of rainwater are forecast for many parts of the UK, with only leeward pockets of shelter towards the NE.  Its already been said by others but February has flooding written all over it.  Surface water and groundwater flooding.


We need some high pressure.  Time to get the prayer mats out, if they've not gone mouldy.


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Gooner
31 January 2014 18:38:30

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014013112/ECH1-144.GIF?31-0


LP'S just keep on coming


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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North Oxfordshire
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Arbroath 1320
31 January 2014 19:31:46

Very hard not to hit the WIO button seeing charts like these mid Feb
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2161.png 
Long way to anything cold from there
Roll on springUserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: JoeShmoe99 



Yes, we now have to overcome not one Euroslug but two. After a month of High pressure over Europe in December it looks like we will be back to square 1 in February. Another month of wind and rain will be hard to bear.
GGTTH
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31 January 2014 19:33:30


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/royaume-uni/accumulation-precipitations/192h.htm


More shocking accumulations of rainwater are forecast for many parts of the UK, with only leeward pockets of shelter towards the NE.  Its already been said by others but February has flooding written all over it.  Surface water and groundwater flooding.


We need some high pressure.  Time to get the prayer mats out, if they've not gone mouldy.


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


I have to say I've seen a major advantage of living in the NE this winter. It's amazing how protected we are from rain sweeping in from the West.


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GIBBY
31 January 2014 20:32:51

Good evening. Here is the evening report on the midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Friday January 31st 2014.


All models continue to show very unsettled and potentially stormy weather over the next 4 or 5 days. Through this period there are three distinct periods of concern shown by all output. Tomorrow will see the UK battered by gales and squally showers followed by something of a respite on Sunday. On Monday the second attack comes up from the SW with further very heavy rain and strong winds. A return to showers on Tuesday is followed by a worryingly bad spell of weather with severe gale force winds and flooding rain on Wednesday with near average temperatures throughout.


GFS then shows the rest of the run similar to that of this morning's with very changeable weather alternating between windy and wet weather with brighter and more showery conditions at times. A drier and brighter interlude under a rare anticyclonic interlude is shown later when it may be accompanied by a rise of temperatures in the SE with the more pronounced rainfall transferring to the NW. However, this period looks far from a pattern changer and it isn't long before such improvements are eroded away by more Atlantic Low pressure at the end of the run.


The GFS Ensembles show a marked warming to rather mild levels by the second half of the run with the weather remaining wet and often very windy as Atlantic Low pressure areas and fronts continue to bring rain in milder SW winds.


UKMO closes tonight showing next Thursday with a deep depression over Ireland on Wednesday clearing slowly North on Thursday with a small secondary feature close to Southern Britain threatening more wind and rain for the South while the North sees strong Westerly winds and showers.


GEM tonight also shows very unsettled and wet weather next week with spells of rain and showers on all days next week before things become rather milder, especially in the South and East later as the most rain transfers more towards the North and West.


NAVGEM is still showing very unstable SW winds next week with fronts moving East and NE regularly bringing rain and showers for all at times in more average temperatures.


ECM tonight is purely awful once more, as bad if not worse than this morning with repetitive spells of rain and showers in very strong winds at times and temperatures around average. there remains little sign of a pattern break even at day 10.


The ECM 9 and 10 Day Mean Charts continue to show strong support for Low pressure biased to be to the North of Scotland in 9 or 10 days time with the seemingly ever present SW flow across the UK with rain bearing fronts still in attendance.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


The Jet Stream Forecast remains testament to why our weather remains poor tonight. the flow is shown to blow west to East just to the South of the UK with occasional surges of increased strength powering up large depressions and escalating weather conditions to disruptive levels at times. The flow does inch a little further North to lie over the UK late in the run.


In Summary tonight the Atlantic bandwagon motors on with little sign of any significant improvement shown again tonight. There will be frequent periods of rain and strong winds giving rise to disruption at times with temperatures very gradually rising to average then above average conditions at times later. I doubt if anyone will notice such a temperature rise as for the most part it will be accompanied by a strong SW breeze and further rainfall.


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