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doctor snow
31 January 2014 20:32:54
Cold snaps can just spring up from nowhere in a week's time can be so different outlook could be a lot colder or warmer i bet we get cold snap later feb
Hungry Tiger
31 January 2014 20:51:52


Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


An Alarming Update From The JMA Model


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Suggest's February could be a wash-out on top of this exceptionally wet January!


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Doesn't surprise me quite frankly.



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Hungry Tiger
31 January 2014 20:52:56



http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/royaume-uni/accumulation-precipitations/192h.htm


More shocking accumulations of rainwater are forecast for many parts of the UK, with only leeward pockets of shelter towards the NE.  Its already been said by others but February has flooding written all over it.  Surface water and groundwater flooding.


We need some high pressure.  Time to get the prayer mats out, if they've not gone mouldy.


Originally Posted by: NickR 


I have to say I've seen a major advantage of living in the NE this winter. It's amazing how protected we are from rain sweeping in from the West.


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 



Good point there Nick.


 


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doctormog
31 January 2014 21:02:57



http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/royaume-uni/accumulation-precipitations/192h.htm 
More shocking accumulations of rainwater are forecast for many parts of the UK, with only leeward pockets of shelter towards the NE. Its already been said by others but February has flooding written all over it. Surface water and groundwater flooding.
We need some high pressure. Time to get the prayer mats out, if they've not gone mouldy.UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


I have to say I've seen a major advantage of living in the NE this winter. It's amazing how protected we are from rain sweeping in from the West.

Originally Posted by: NickR 


UserPostedImageUserPostedImageUserPostedImage
Good point there Nick.

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 



It must be a local thing as the mountains have not offered their normal protection. This part of the NE has had more than double the long term mean rainfall this month. Even with the westerlies moving in today the rain has been tipping it down for hours, once again. 👎

Normally with prevailing westerlies and unsettled conditions we do okay in terms of rainfall (i.e. it is quite dry) however this month has proven to be the exception. Looking at the output I am not sure that is about to change either.
Chiltern Blizzard
31 January 2014 21:29:18

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/royaume-uni/accumulation-precipitations/192h.htm  More shocking accumulations of rainwater are forecast for many parts of the UK, with only leeward pockets of shelter towards the NE. Its already been said by others but February has flooding written all over it. Surface water and groundwater flooding. We need some high pressure. Time to get the prayer mats out, if they've not gone mouldy.UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

I have to say I've seen a major advantage of living in the NE this winter. It's amazing how protected we are from rain sweeping in from the West.

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 

UserPostedImageUserPostedImageUserPostedImage Good point there Nick.

Originally Posted by: NickR 

It must be a local thing as the mountains have not offered their normal protection. This part of the NE has had more than double the long term mean rainfall this month. Even with the westerlies moving in today the rain has been tipping it down for hours, once again. 👎 Normally with prevailing westerlies and unsettled conditions we do okay in terms of rainfall (i.e. it is quite dry) however this month has proven to be the exception. Looking at the output I am not sure that is about to change either.

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


I'm guessing it could have something to do with Atlantic low pressure systems tending to hit the country more directly with the result that winds have been coming from a range of directions rather than simply from the west as they would do if the low pressure tended to be around the Iceland area. 


Rendlesham, Suffolk 20m asl
doctormog
31 January 2014 21:37:28

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/royaume-uni/accumulation-precipitations/192h.htm  More shocking accumulations of rainwater are forecast for many parts of the UK, with only leeward pockets of shelter towards the NE. Its already been said by others but February has flooding written all over it. Surface water and groundwater flooding. We need some high pressure. Time to get the prayer mats out, if they've not gone mouldy.UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 

I have to say I've seen a major advantage of living in the NE this winter. It's amazing how protected we are from rain sweeping in from the West.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

UserPostedImageUserPostedImageUserPostedImage Good point there Nick.

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 

It must be a local thing as the mountains have not offered their normal protection. This part of the NE has had more than double the long term mean rainfall this month. Even with the westerlies moving in today the rain has been tipping it down for hours, once again. 👎 Normally with prevailing westerlies and unsettled conditions we do okay in terms of rainfall (i.e. it is quite dry) however this month has proven to be the exception. Looking at the output I am not sure that is about to change either.

Originally Posted by: NickR 


I'm guessing it could have something to do with Atlantic low pressure systems tending to hit the country more directly with the result that windshave been comingfrom a range of directions rather than simply from the west as they would do if the low pressuretended to bearound the Iceland area.

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 



Yes, I think you're right about that.

Although it has been a month of Low after Low they have taken a variety of tracks rather than the "traditional zonal route". Looking at the range of outcomes in the charts it looks like there is more of the same to come. Also looking at the monthly rainfall anomalies the more southerly track of the Lows seems apparent in the drier anomalies in NWern most parts of the UK.
idj20
31 January 2014 22:49:20

There we go, that's a bit more like it as the GFS continue to entertain the idea of high pressure building over the UK just before Valentine's Day. Still light years away in forecasting terms but nice to see nonetheless: http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=euro&MODELL=gfs&MODELLTYP=1&BASE=201401311800&VAR=pslv&HH=300&ZOOM=0&ARCHIV=0&RES=0&WMO=&PERIOD=

However, until then. Urgh, Next Tuesday night and into Wednesday does look set to be very rough and wild as a secondary low pressure tumbles onto the UK: http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=euro&MODELL=gfs&MODELLTYP=1&BASE=201401311800&VAR=pslv&HH=102&ZOOM=0&ARCHIV=0&RES=0&WMO=&PERIOD=

Here's hoping that there may still be room for downgrades on the latter, etc. Certainly something we really could do without.


Folkestone Harbour. 
Whether Idle
01 February 2014 07:00:32

More of the same from the models, slightly higher pressure towards Europe at times....


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
jondg14
01 February 2014 08:15:40

Awful output again this morning with Wednesday looking particularly nasty. Significant strong winds accompanying another dousing.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1081.png


This winter has been dire for coldies but wow has it been incredible. The synoptics are fascinating whether you like them or not!

Chiltern Blizzard
01 February 2014 08:17:45
ECM continues to look utterly appalling for rain this morning for the next 10 days... GFS not much better, though by the end of week 2, the atlantic quietens and things have a wintry feel! Pity it'll probably be gone in a couple of hours.
Rendlesham, Suffolk 20m asl
nickl
01 February 2014 08:23:33
Some very odd ncep output in week 2, both op and a fair number of ens members.

The story of the next 10 days will be the three storms as they engage the PFj close to nw Europe. Secure those fences if they have been weakend by recent winter winds.
nsrobins
01 February 2014 08:25:47

ECM continues to look utterly appalling for rain this morning for the next 10 days... GFS not much better, though by the end of week 2, the atlantic quietens and things have a wintry feel! Pity it'll probably be gone in a couple of hours.

Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 


Indeed. Here's some advice: In the next few days ths thread will be festooned with phrases such as 'It's deep FI, but . . ' and 'possible pattern change later on' and 'EC32 performing poorly' and 'CFS on board', etc, etc


Discount all such comments and don't take any of it from anyone until, and only until, you are shovelling snow from the drive


On a serious note, most NWP now forming some cohesion on midweek. The system on Wednesday is looking especially potent.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
The Beast from the East
01 February 2014 08:34:36

http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2014020100/UN144-7.GIF?01-06


Someone at meteociel has a sense of humour!


 


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
roger63
01 February 2014 08:37:15


ECM continues to look utterly appalling for rain this morning for the next 10 days... GFS not much better, though by the end of week 2, the atlantic quietens and things have a wintry feel! Pity it'll probably be gone in a couple of hours.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Indeed. Here's some advice: In the next few days ths thread will be festooned with phrases such as 'It's deep FI, but . . ' and 'possible pattern change later on' and 'EC32 performing poorly' and 'CFS on board', etc, etc


Discount all such comments and don't take any of it from anyone until, and only until, you are shovelling snow from the drive


On a serious note, most NWP now forming some cohesion on midweek. The system on Wednesday is looking especially potent.


Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 


Deep out in FI GFS op flirts with a Valentines day cold spell.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=324&mode=0


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=360&mode=0


However liitle ENS supprt with 70% of ENS still zonal.


Double health  warning - I seem to remember a few years back the models throwing up  a promising looking  Valentines easterly that got very close and then evaporated at the the last minute.


 

The Beast from the East
01 February 2014 08:38:05

Secure those fences if they have been weakend by recent winter winds.

Originally Posted by: nickl 


I havent bothered repairing the damage from the last storm. Still got to do the guttering, but perhaps I'll wait until all of this madness calms down!


Insane ECM op run. Owen Patterson will be a busy man. They should appoint him Minister for Floods and perhaps it might stop!


 


 


"We have some alternative facts for you"
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Whether Idle
01 February 2014 08:40:49


 


On a serious note, most NWP now forming some cohesion on midweek. The system on Wednesday is looking especially potent.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 



Here you go,  bloomin 'eck!


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?nh=0&ech=96&carte=1021


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
GIBBY
01 February 2014 08:43:25

Good morning. Here is today's report on the midnight outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Saturday 1st February 2014 and lifted from my website at http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


All models show deep Low pressure close to NW Britain with a strengthening SW or west wind today giving rise to high tides and over-topping at tonight's high tide in the west and SW. The weather itself will be showery with hail and thunder possible at times as well as more prolonged showers too as the day progresses. Tomorrow ill see conditions ease as the Low fills and drifts slowly North allowing winds to decrease and back Southerly late in the day. The next deep depression then comes crashing in on Monday with yet more rain and wind through the day followed by squally showers on Tuesday. It's then all eyes to Wednesday as all models show a potentially damaging storm system crossing the UK from the SW with severe gale or even storm force winds yet again accompanying heavy rain and showers sweeping into the UK from the Atlantic through the day.


GFS then shows the end of next week with little overall change as further depressions and fronts are shown to sweep NE across the UK in a very strong SW flow with the only glimmer of light being that temperatures will be close to average or somewhat above at times in the South. The latter end of the run does show a change to drier and brighter weather as High pressure is finally shown to ridge up from the SW with the drying out process allowed to commence later.


The GFS Ensembles show a sustained warming over the coming week or two with little overall change to the wet and very windy weather as it continues to be scheduled to afflict our shores. The drying process shown by the operational has only very limited support unfortunately from within the ensemble group.


UKMO today closes it's run with Low pressure topping and tailing the UK with at least showers for all and also longer spells of rain too, once more mostly towards the South.


GEM shows a further series of depressions and disturbances running NE across the UK in the run up to the end of the run maintaining the thoroughly wet and miserable spell of weather.


NAVGEM also continues to show Low pressure out to the NW with rain at times in strong but often rather mild SW winds especially in the South.


ECM today is as shocking as ever with incessant intense depressions crashing into the UK from the SW with further very heavy rainfall, especially in the SW with strong winds at times too. Temperatures though on the mild side of average will be totally academic, lost by the strength of the wind.


The ECM 9 and 10 Day Mean Charts show the likelihood of a maintained locked pattern over the UK still well established for some considerable time with the UK locked in a SW flow around Low pressure to the North of Britain feeding bands of rain and showers North and East across the UK each day.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


The Jet Stream continues to flow East over the Atlantic and either over Southern Britain or to the South with a particularly strong streak later next week and with very little lessening in strength through Week 2 either.


In Summary today there remains little optimism from me of a pattern shift anytime soon with the only talking point being the degree of severity and extent that each passing depression over the next few weeks impact on an already desperate situation over the parts of the UK that are afflicted by floods. There are plenty of charts which can only be described as alarmist with ECM deeply depressing if verification occurs with wind strengths adding to the already storm damaged landscape. With all the wind and rain frost, ice and snow will be very limited with little likelihood of much of this away from Scottish mountains. There is indeed some support for things to become rather mild at times later in the period as winds from the Azores reach our shores.


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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The Beast from the East
01 February 2014 08:45:26

Thanks Gibby


 


Those ECM mean charts look more encouraging, with pressure higher over Greenland and perhaps the pattern pushed further south


"We have some alternative facts for you"
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nsrobins
01 February 2014 08:46:14



 


On a serious note, most NWP now forming some cohesion on midweek. The system on Wednesday is looking especially potent.


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 



Here you go,  bloomin 'eck!


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?nh=0&ech=96&carte=1021


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


I will be flying back from Germany Wednesday. Correction - I will be attempting to fly back on Wednesday


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Gooner
01 February 2014 08:48:49

Some very odd ncep output in week 2, both op and a fair number of ens members.

The story of the next 10 days will be the three storms as they engage the PFj close to nw Europe. Secure those fences if they have been weakend by recent winter winds.

Originally Posted by: nickl 


Indeed, looks like some horrendous weatheris on the way, worse that what we already have seen if verified


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Whether Idle
01 February 2014 08:49:15


Yes, Gooner, its looking really very bad indeed.


 


The situation is back now to what it was looking like on around December 21st, when people on here were quite rightly expressing concern.  The trouble is that the wind and rain associated with this next bout of severe winter weather is going to lash mercilessly onto an already sodden, and winter-weakened infrastructure of houses and gardens; and frankly the situation is not the same, it is worse.


It is fairly obvious now that in some respects we are entering unprecedented territory within living memory in terms of the combination of sustained rainfall and wind.


The weather is going to make the headlines over the next weeks and some folk are going to suffer with more damage and flooding.  Brace yourselves.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Gooner
01 February 2014 08:49:53




 


On a serious note, most NWP now forming some cohesion on midweek. The system on Wednesday is looking especially potent.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 



Here you go,  bloomin 'eck!


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?nh=0&ech=96&carte=1021


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


I will be flying back from Germany Wednesday. Correction - I will be attempting to fly back on Wednesday


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


You will probably land in Russia


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Sevendust
01 February 2014 09:00:28

Reviewed the output before coming in here and it is certainly pretty horrific.


I know this thread is a place for hyperbole but the next week/10 days are going to be a real concern with copious rainfall and some potential for major wind events.


The most interesting to me appears to be occuring towards midweek as a very deep trough digs in mid-Atlantic pulling tm air ahead of it with very cold pm air in its wake. Now that has cyclogenesis written all over it

Gooner
01 February 2014 09:11:09

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/brack4.gif


Doesn't look too good does it?


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


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