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Deep Powder
03 February 2014 20:43:22
Think I am well out of this one unless we get a February 2005 event 😟
Near Leatherhead 100masl (currently living in China since September 2019)
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Quantum
03 February 2014 23:28:21

Think I am well out of this one unless we get a February 2005 event 😟

Originally Posted by: Deep Powder 


I do think alot of people have overestimated their CETs. I see very little chance February will be as mild as january, most of the time we will be in a returning polar airmass which means average or only slightly above average temps, and the potential for some cold days. 


And the last half of the month is still up for grabs; none of us should give up hope of a cold spell until february has passed. 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
ARTzeman
04 February 2014 11:33:28

All in  the 5's today..


 


Met Office Hadley  5.5c.    Anomaly   1.2c.   provisional to 3rd.


Metcheck              5.59c.  Anomaly    1.39c.


N-W                     5.96c   Anomaly    1.76c


Mount Sorrel         5.50c   Anomaly    1.30c.


My  Mean              5.4c.






Some people walk in the rain.
Others just get wet.
I Just Blow my horn or trumpet
Ally Pally Snowman
04 February 2014 13:35:18

All in  the 5's today..


 


Met Office Hadley  5.5c.    Anomaly   1.2c.   provisional to 3rd.


Metcheck              5.59c.  Anomaly    1.39c.


N-W                     5.96c   Anomaly    1.76c


Mount Sorrel         5.50c   Anomaly    1.30c.


My  Mean              5.4c.

Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 



It really is a very mild start you'd think it would have to turn colder eventually no signs in the models though.

http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcet/cet_info_mean.html 
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
ARTzeman
05 February 2014 12:18:23

Met Office Hadley       5.4c.     Anomaly    1.1c.    provisional  to  4th.


Metcheck                   5.73c.   Anomaly    1.53c.  


N-W                          6.15c.   Anomaly    1.95c.


Mount  Sorrel             5.6c.     Anomaly    1.40c.


My  Mean                   5.2c.


  






Some people walk in the rain.
Others just get wet.
I Just Blow my horn or trumpet
ARTzeman
06 February 2014 12:06:55

Met Office Hadley     5.6c     Anomaly   1.2c.    provisional  to 5th.


Metcheck                6.03c.   Anomaly  1.83c. 


N-W                       7.12c    Anomaly  2.92c


My  Mean               5.4c.


 






Some people walk in the rain.
Others just get wet.
I Just Blow my horn or trumpet
ARTzeman
07 February 2014 11:53:41

Met Office Hadley      5.8c.     Anomaly    1.4c.    provisional    to   6th.


Metcheck                  5.94c.   Anomaly    1.74c.


N-W                         6.87c.   Anomaly    2.67c.


My  Mean                  5.5c.






Some people walk in the rain.
Others just get wet.
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Whether Idle
08 February 2014 06:03:21


Met Office Hadley      5.8c.     Anomaly    1.4c.    provisional    to   6th.


Metcheck                  5.94c.   Anomaly    1.74c.


N-W                         6.87c.   Anomaly    2.67c.


My  Mean           


       5.5c.


Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 


Another mild wet month should help create the mildest winter for a good number of years.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
ARTzeman
08 February 2014 13:02:00

Met Office Hadley      NOT IN YET...................


Metcheck                   6.04c.    Anomaly     1.84c.


N-W                          6.91c.    Anomaly     2.71c.


My    Mean                 5.4c. 






Some people walk in the rain.
Others just get wet.
I Just Blow my horn or trumpet
ARTzeman
08 February 2014 16:45:47

Met Office Hadley still not put a figure on their site..






Some people walk in the rain.
Others just get wet.
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ARTzeman
08 February 2014 23:16:50

Met office Hadley has 5.8c  on the Met Office t mean..






Some people walk in the rain.
Others just get wet.
I Just Blow my horn or trumpet
ARTzeman
10 February 2014 12:34:00

Met Office Hadley     Still not updated.


Mount Sorrel            5.74c.     Anomaly      1.54c.


Metcheck                 5.87c.     Anomaly      1.67c.


N-W                        6.56c      Anomaly      2.43c.


My    Mean               5.4c..


 






Some people walk in the rain.
Others just get wet.
I Just Blow my horn or trumpet
ARTzeman
10 February 2014 14:05:45

Met Office Hadley...     5.9c.   Anomaly   1.5c.    Provisional    to the  9th..


 


 






Some people walk in the rain.
Others just get wet.
I Just Blow my horn or trumpet
ARTzeman
11 February 2014 10:57:51

Met Office Hadley  5.6c.     Anomaly      1.3c.   provisional  to  10th.


Metcheck             5.70c.   Anomaly       1.50c


N-W                    6.44c.   Anomaly       2.24c.


Mont Sorrel         5.5c.     Anomaly       1.36c.


My    Mean          5.2c.


    






Some people walk in the rain.
Others just get wet.
I Just Blow my horn or trumpet
Quantum
11 February 2014 23:27:34


Met Office Hadley  5.6c.     Anomaly      1.3c.   provisional  to  10th.


Metcheck             5.70c.   Anomaly       1.50c


N-W                    6.44c.   Anomaly       2.24c.


Mont Sorrel         5.5c.     Anomaly       1.36c.


My    Mean          5.2c.


    


Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 


I think its downhill from here. If it stays zonal there is still little mild air about. 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
ARTzeman
12 February 2014 11:09:01

Not a lot of change from Yesterday ...


 


Met Office Hadley  5.4c.    Anomaly    1.2c.   Provisional  to  11th.


 Metcheck             5.70c.  Anomaly    1.50c.


N-W                     6.25c.   Anomaly    2.05c.


Mount Sorrel         5.38c.    Anomaly   1.18c.


My  Mean             5.1c. 






Some people walk in the rain.
Others just get wet.
I Just Blow my horn or trumpet
lanky
13 February 2014 11:39:05

MetO is 5.4 up to 12th


http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcet/cet_info_mean.html


Martin
Richmond, Surrey
ARTzeman
13 February 2014 12:37:19

Met Office Hadley .. The same for TWO days.  5.4c.  Anomaly  1.2c. provisional to 12th.


Metcheck             5.72c.     Anomaly    1.52c.


N-W                    6.19c.     Anomaly    1.99c.


Mount Sorrel       5.36c.     Anomaly    1.16c.


My  Mean            5.1c. 


   






Some people walk in the rain.
Others just get wet.
I Just Blow my horn or trumpet
ARTzeman
14 February 2014 11:56:25

Met Office Hadley        5.3c.   Anomaly     1.3.  provisional to 13th.


Metcheck                   5.74c.  Anomaly     1.54c.


N-W                          6.06c.   Anomaly    1.86c.


Mount Sorrel              5.27c.  Anomaly     1.07c.


My     Mean                4.9c.     






Some people walk in the rain.
Others just get wet.
I Just Blow my horn or trumpet
Rob K
14 February 2014 13:19:07


Met Office Hadley        5.3c.   Anomaly     1.9c.  provisional to 13th.


 


Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 


Can that anomaly be right? It was 5.4C to the 12th with an anomaly of 1.2C, and now the CET figure has gone down 0.1C but the anomaly is 0.7C higher? 


 


OK I have just checked and the anomaly is 1.3C (I thinbk you read from the January column!)


 


Still odd though that the CET goes DOWN 0.1C but the anomaly goes UP 0.1C! That implies that the average for Feb 1-12th is 0.2C higher than the average for Feb 1-13th!


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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lanky
14 February 2014 14:16:03


Still odd though that the CET goes DOWN 0.1C but the anomaly goes UP 0.1C! That implies that the average for Feb 1-12th is 0.2C higher than the average for Feb 1-13th!


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


If you look at the yearly moving CET on the right of that Met page, it does show a quite steep dip in yearly CET around this time. It might be enough to answer your query



Martin
Richmond, Surrey
roger63
14 February 2014 15:35:31



Still odd though that the CET goes DOWN 0.1C but the anomaly goes UP 0.1C! That implies that the average for Feb 1-12th is 0.2C higher than the average for Feb 1-13th!


Originally Posted by: lanky 


If you look at the yearly moving CET on the right of that Met page, it does show a quite steep dip in yearly CET around this time. It might be enough to answer your query



Originally Posted by: Rob K 


The Feb dip roughly coincides with the Buchan cold spell 7-14th Feb.

Global Warming
14 February 2014 22:22:21



Met Office Hadley        5.3c.   Anomaly     1.9c.  provisional to 13th.


 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Can that anomaly be right? It was 5.4C to the 12th with an anomaly of 1.2C, and now the CET figure has gone down 0.1C but the anomaly is 0.7C higher? 


 


OK I have just checked and the anomaly is 1.3C (I thinbk you read from the January column!)


 


Still odd though that the CET goes DOWN 0.1C but the anomaly goes UP 0.1C! That implies that the average for Feb 1-12th is 0.2C higher than the average for Feb 1-13th!


Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 


The difference is in fact only 0.1C but yes the average goes down significantly in mid Feb. Bear in mind this data is the 1961-1990 mean.


Using the 1961-1990 data the period from 13 to 18 Feb is easily the coldest of the winter and the only period when the 30 year mean falls below 3C. The data for each day are as follows:


13 Feb 3.1C
14 Feb 2.5C
15 Feb 2.2C
16 Feb 2.4C
17 Feb 2.8C
18 Feb 2.9C


So that anomaly will keep shifting quite a bit in the next few days.


The dip in temperature is less pronounced in the 1971-2000 mean but the period from 14-16 Feb is still easily the coldest of the winter.


Even the 1981-2010 data shows 14-18 Feb as generally the coldest period of the winter although there is one outlier as the 7th January is the second coldest day in that series.

Hungry Tiger
15 February 2014 00:02:38




Met Office Hadley        5.3c.   Anomaly     1.9c.  provisional to 13th.


 


Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


Can that anomaly be right? It was 5.4C to the 12th with an anomaly of 1.2C, and now the CET figure has gone down 0.1C but the anomaly is 0.7C higher? 


 


OK I have just checked and the anomaly is 1.3C (I thinbk you read from the January column!)


 


Still odd though that the CET goes DOWN 0.1C but the anomaly goes UP 0.1C! That implies that the average for Feb 1-12th is 0.2C higher than the average for Feb 1-13th!


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


The difference is in fact only 0.1C but yes the average goes down significantly in mid Feb. Bear in mind this data is the 1961-1990 mean.


Using the 1961-1990 data the period from 13 to 18 Feb is easily the coldest of the winter and the only period when the 30 year mean falls below 3C. The data for each day are as follows:


13 Feb 3.1C
14 Feb 2.5C
15 Feb 2.2C
16 Feb 2.4C
17 Feb 2.8C
18 Feb 2.9C


So that anomaly will keep shifting quite a bit in the next few days.


The dip in temperature is less pronounced in the 1971-2000 mean but the period from 14-16 Feb is still easily the coldest of the winter.


Even the 1981-2010 data shows 14-18 Feb as generally the coldest period of the winter although there is one outlier as the 7th January is the second coldest day in that series.


Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 



Great post - Any idea of the rest of the month Simon. What do you think - mild or colder.


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Global Warming
15 February 2014 11:03:38

Very much on the mild side Gavin. Latest output this morning supports a CET for the second half of February of 7C. That would push the overall mean for the month to just above 6C.


If that verifies the CET for the winter as a whole would finish at just about exactly 6C which is 1.5C above the 1971-2000 mean.


Odds on now for the warmest winter since 2006/7.


The winter CET has only exceeded 6C on six occasions since 1900 with all bar one of them since 1975.


Prior to 1900 the winter CET exceeded 6C on five occasions.


So this winter could be the 12th warmest on record in the CET series.

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