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Polar Low
10 February 2014 21:13:19

Some of those are starting to look very nice indeed from gm


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/cmc_cartes.php?code=7&ech=144&mode=0&carte=1

Ally Pally Snowman
10 February 2014 21:16:48

Many members do agree with the opp at the t120 sort of time ecm opp maybe a trend setter also mean looks very much different than it has been  and it would be slow in its trend outcome anyway at that far out


http://www.ecmwf.int/samples/d/inspect/teasers/samplers/banner/mean_sea_level_pressure_and_temperature_at_850hpa!120!pop!od!enfo!enplot!2014021012!!/


 


ECM 12z ensembles don't back the Op and look unsettled and mild

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.html

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



At the moment I think a pattern change is very unlikely the Dutch ensembles still far from cold.


http://www.weerplaza.nl/15daagseverwachting/?r=midden&type=eps_pluim 

Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Polar Low
10 February 2014 21:20:51

We will have to wait and see as always but im pleased it looks different even from ukmo


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?nh=1&ech=144&carte=1021


 


quote=Ally Pally Snowman;579951]


Many members do agree with the opp at the t120 sort of time ecm opp maybe a trend setter also mean looks very much different than it has been  and it would be slow in its trend outcome anyway at that far out


http://www.ecmwf.int/samples/d/inspect/teasers/samplers/banner/mean_sea_level_pressure_and_temperature_at_850hpa!120!pop!od!enfo!enplot!2014021012!!/


 


ECM 12z ensembles don't back the Op and look unsettled and mild

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.html

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



At the moment I think a pattern change is very unlikely the Dutch ensembles still far from cold.


http://www.weerplaza.nl/15daagseverwachting/?r=midden&type=eps_pluim

SnowyHythe(Kent)
10 February 2014 21:56:08
Wednesday's depression is further north on the 18z.
Gooner
10 February 2014 22:14:20

Wednesday's depression is further north on the 18z.

Originally Posted by: SnowyHythe(Kent) 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014021018/gfsnh-0-48.png?18


According to GFS, yes.


Latest N24 showed Wednesday as an awful day


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
10 February 2014 22:15:48

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014021018/gfsnh-0-108.png?18


followed by another crap LP


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


David M Porter
10 February 2014 22:56:55




Doesn't look like it!

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


I agree, it looks unsettled for sometime ..................sadly


Originally Posted by: Osprey 



I think ECM has showed what a cruel tease she is this winter,  flashing some leg too many times since the end of November. I'm not falling for it again!


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Go on...


Have faith


Around the 18th/20th ECM will show you more than a leg...


Originally Posted by: squish 


The change is coming - by the 20th we will be free of raging zonality, or even a couple of days earlier. Next weekend will be the last of these incessant, zonal storm systems for a while.


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Maunder, you do realise what the consequences of that prediction going wrong could be!


Lenzie, Glasgow

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11 February 2014 02:33:48
Blimey! Not a single model comment since 22.56 yesterday, thats over 3 hours!
Quantum
11 February 2014 03:01:09





Doesn't look like it!

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


I agree, it looks unsettled for sometime ..................sadly


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 



I think ECM has showed what a cruel tease she is this winter,  flashing some leg too many times since the end of November. I'm not falling for it again!


Originally Posted by: Osprey 


Go on...


Have faith


Around the 18th/20th ECM will show you more than a leg...


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


The change is coming - by the 20th we will be free of raging zonality, or even a couple of days earlier. Next weekend will be the last of these incessant, zonal storm systems for a while.


Originally Posted by: squish 


Maunder, you do realise what the consequences of that prediction going wrong could be!


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


I loose the bet 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Matty H
11 February 2014 07:01:50
Weds storm still looking like tracking further north than originally expected. That's great for here in terms of wind, although I'm not sure the rain threat will be any less.
roger63
11 February 2014 07:11:52

ECM has Indications of some short term relief from the rain between 144 and 192 before Atlantic pushes in again.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=144&mode=1&map=0&type=0&archive=0


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=192&mode=1&map=0&type=0&archive=0


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=240&mode=1&map=0&type=0&archive=0


Some support from GEM in the same period.


 GFS continues with a changeable though not quite as stormy theme.GEFS shows  zonality continuing  to dominate in FI (although a transitory ridge around 192H.


240h 75%


312h 60%


384h 60%


 

Osprey
11 February 2014 07:20:05


ECM has Indications of some short term relief from the rain between 144 and 192 before Atlantic pushes in again.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=144&mode=1&map=0&type=0&archive=0


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=192&mode=1&map=0&type=0&archive=0


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=240&mode=1&map=0&type=0&archive=0


Some support from GEM in the same period.


 GFS continues with a changeable though not quite as stormy theme.GEFS shows  zonality continuing  to dominate in FI (although a transitory ridge around 192H.


240h 75%


312h 60%


384h 60%


 

Originally Posted by: roger63 


Slowly slowly catchy monkey


 


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Gooner
11 February 2014 07:25:47

Weds storm still looking like tracking further north than originally expected. That's great for here in terms of wind, although I'm not sure the rain threat will be any less.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn364.gif


exactly the rain is quite intense


 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Maunder Minimum
11 February 2014 08:03:49





Doesn't look like it!

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


I agree, it looks unsettled for sometime ..................sadly


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 



I think ECM has showed what a cruel tease she is this winter,  flashing some leg too many times since the end of November. I'm not falling for it again!


Originally Posted by: Osprey 


Go on...


Have faith


Around the 18th/20th ECM will show you more than a leg...


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


The change is coming - by the 20th we will be free of raging zonality, or even a couple of days earlier. Next weekend will be the last of these incessant, zonal storm systems for a while.


Originally Posted by: squish 


Maunder, you do realise what the consequences of that prediction going wrong could be!


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Errr - I would have been wrong?


I have every confidence however, that from the middle of next week, the weather will be dramatically different.


New world order coming.
Gooner
11 February 2014 08:22:16

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014021100/gfsnh-0-204.png?0


It might be MM but will it last


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014021100/gfsnh-0-288.png?0


 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


The Beast from the East
11 February 2014 08:23:58

UKMO the pick of the models today, persisting with the undercut, ECM not as good as last night, but the potential is there


Tomorrows storm looking less severe but plenty of rain still


 


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Maunder Minimum
11 February 2014 08:25:11


We will find out soon enough. Wait till they start talking about Shannon Entropy again...


New world order coming.
Polar Low
11 February 2014 08:26:09

it does look better at 500 from gfs but as Marcus says will it get rolled over I hope not myself even if it is mild im feed up with this water.


http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~fxg1/ECMWF_0z/hgtcomp.html

GIBBY
11 February 2014 08:41:10

Good morning folks. Another wet morning here in the West Country and another poor set of charts to whiz through this morning as I look at the outputs of the big 5 this morning for today Tuesday February 11th 2014.


All models show a squally trough and outbreaks of rain, heavy in places swinging East across the UK currently followed by a cold and windy Westerly flow with wintry showers later with some snow on all high ground. Tomorrow shows showers dying down early in the day as winds back SW and strengthen to gale or severe gale in the SW as another deep and powerful depression sweeps NE over Ireland and the North through the day with another spell of very heavy rain and snow in the North followed by showers, wintry again over hills. Thursday sees a strong Westerly flow as the Low moves away with further wintry showers and this goes into Friday too in the North before the South clouds over again late in the day as yet another deep Low moves up into the South with widespread heavy rain and gales. As this engages with colder air in the North a spell of snow is possible, perhaps disruptive in places before Sunday returns the rather cold and showery pattern once more.


GFS then takes us through next week showing a broad flow of Westerly winds and rain at times as fronts from depressions to the North of the UK cross East in the flow. Pressure will be higher to the South and SW of the UK than of late so the emphasis of the most rain should shift away from the SW to the NW with some drier and brighter intervals between the rain bands. Temperatures will recover to near average values after the weekend.


UKMO today closes it's run at the start of next week showing Low pressure near Southern Ireland moving ESE and delivering another spell of heavy rain in the South and West. However, this Low may bring a spell of snow for some especially in the North and East as it engages cold air on it's Northern and Eastern flank.


GEM shows a rather cold and quieter period next week under a weak Northerly. Wintry showers could occur in places and frosts at night. Further rain at times look possible again later as fronts disrupt somewhat over the UK with no doubt some further snowfall towards the NE.


NAVGEM shows weak ridging for a time early next week with more scattered possibly wintry showers before Atlantic fronts return rain to most areas by this time next week.


ECM shows brief ridging too early next week but it all seems very tentative with troughs also in the mix continuing the risk of wintry showers or rain early next week before a new surge of the Atlantic is shown towards the end of next week with more widespread rain and showers once more.


The ECM 9 and 10 Day Mean Charts are still very poor this morning with the general theme likely to remain one of Low pressure to the NW of the British Isles continuing to steer spells of wind and rain in a typical WSW flow with the heaviest rains perhaps more likely towards the NW though the SW will still get a fair amount should this pattern verify. With winds likely to be from the West or SW temperatures should pick up a bit from those of this week, especially in the South.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


The GFS Ensembles today show strong support for a rise in temperatures later in the run as High pressure creeps up closer to Southern Britain. However, with rain still shown scattered about between the members it looks unlikely it will get close enough though the heaviest deluges look less likely than those of the upcoming 4-5 days.


The GFS Jet Stream Forecast indicates the flow maintaining it's current status South of the UK for a while yet before it's orientation shifts more towards the NE over the Atlantic and the UK in response to pressure rises to the South.


In Summary today there is still no definitive end to the current spell of wet weather with all models toying around with a weakening Jet flow and it's final resting place. As it is this morning all models do hint at some changes likely next week though they all show very tentative solutions which don't underline any significant dry and fine spell with High pressure struggling to take overall control. The most likely solution that I can see today is that after this weeks terrible weather again things will moderate into next week with the emphasis of rain shifting more towards the NW and away from the SW which is a positive in it's own right and it maybe that the South in general sees some drier interludes and less frequent and heavy rain. In addition the rather cold weather of this week could well give way to something rather milder at times later in a SW flow.


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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Polar Low
11 February 2014 08:43:02

Thanks Martin for report and not weather.


 

Polar Low
11 February 2014 08:49:43

Must say some do look much better latter on lets hope so now


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=15&ech=162&mode=0&carte=0

Polar Low
11 February 2014 09:04:04
Gooner
11 February 2014 10:31:02

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014021106/gfsnh-0-30.png?6


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014021106/gfsnh-0-96.png?6


crap and crap basically


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


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