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Whether Idle
11 February 2014 18:39:17



http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014021112/ECH0-144.GIF?11-0


Brrrrrr


Toppler?


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


We won't be so lucky :(


A ridger.


Say what you like about the 90s, at least you got a snow ladened warm front at the end rather than this undignified way to go. 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


A ridger is goodWe dont want rain


 


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Ally Pally Snowman
11 February 2014 18:49:32
GFS is not seeing any cold anytime soon. Stays wet as well.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png 
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Charmhills
11 February 2014 18:54:50

ECM fi has the Atlantic moving back in with a large warm sector.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1922.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2162.gif


There is a lot of model uncertainty for next week thats for sure.


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
Ally Pally Snowman
11 February 2014 18:55:58
After a couple of dry days more wind and rain sweeps in. The all time rainfall for a whole season Is definitely on.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2161.html 
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
JACKO4EVER
11 February 2014 19:04:53



A couple of GFS members offered a proper freeze on the 06z run:-
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png 
However, vast majority kept it mild. A large spread indicates uncertainty but my head will always tilt mild.

Originally Posted by: Nordic Snowman 


My money is on the Atlantic continuing its onslaught.UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


I agree Duane.

Originally Posted by: Nordic Snowman 


I also agree Duane. This is going to take some stopping

GIBBY
11 February 2014 20:46:13

Good evening. Here is tonight's review of the midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Tuesday February 11th 2014.


All models continue to show a very unsettled outlook for some time to come with a showery and cold Westerly flow tonight with wintry showers, heavy in the West with some snowfall over the hills. Tomorrow shows a deepening Low moving NE over Ireland through the day with SW gales and heavy rains sweeping NE over the UK through the day followed by 36-48hrs worth of strong Westerly winds and further blustery wintry showers. Then on Friday another very deep depression moves NE across the South with very heavy rain and hill snow in the North before the weekend turns back into a showery and chilly one with wintry showers on all higher ground and a cold West wind.


GFS then shows next week as unsettled too with bands of rain and showers move East across the UK with strong winds continuing to blow from the West or SW with temperatures recovering somewhat with time.


UKMO tonight concludes with Low pressure centred over Southern England next Monday with rain and showers continuing over the UK though with less wind than of late.


GEM tonight shows a complete change next week with High pressure developing to the North and East and allowing a cold Easterly flow with the chance of sleet and snow in places with frost at night especially in the East and South.


NAVGEM keeps unsettled weather going at the start of next week as Monday's Low fades away to be replaced by SW winds and another trough moving across on Tuesday with more rain through the day.


ECM tonight does offer some respite towards the middle of next week as a strong ridge from the Azores High builds NE towards Southern England by midweek next week bringing a dry period with bright and sunny spells in light winds and some frost at night. It isn't shown to last long though before the Atlantic depression machine churns out more unsettled weather gradually moving down from the NW well before the end of the week.


The ECM 9 and 10 Day Mean Charts show little change tonight from this morning's effort with the bias continuing to be one of Low pressure to the North and NW with a WSW flow over the UK with rain or showers continuing at times. It should be noted though that the improvement shown at around 168hrs on the operational is supported to some degree before the deterioration of the aforementioned charts come to pass.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem1681.gif
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


The GFS Ensembles tonight show strong support for a warming trend from early next week. What it doesn't show is an end to rainfall for any length of time with further rain shown throughout the run from many members indicative of an Atlantic based pattern continuing.


The Jet Stream Forecast remains constant for the time being with the flow continuing to blow strongly to the South of the UK. The flow still shows some indication of tilting more SW to NE over the UK with time as pressure builds somewhat to the South.


In Summary tonight there still seems very little conclusive evidence of any to be relied upon dry weather anytime soon. It does seem probable that next week will see less severe weather over the UK with more standard February weather which at any other time would go unmentioned but as these are not ordinary times any rain next week will be far from welcome and most places will see at least some meaning that the clean up operation in flood stricken areas could be painfully slow. For coldies there is an olive branch from GEM which if verified would bring a wintry period with the possibility of some snow on an Easterly breeze but it seems something of a shot in the dark in the grand scheme of other output.


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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Chiltern Blizzard
11 February 2014 22:12:45


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gem/runs/2014021112/gem-0-204.png?12



GEM I love you


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


3 days too early for this kind of protestation of love!   Clearly the feeling is mutual though.... the hint at t+204 is a full come-on at t+240!


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gem/runs/2014021112/gem-0-240.png?12


 


Let's see if she's still with you in the morning or whether she's become bored already and given out her wintry favours elsewhere...... like Greece. 


Rendlesham, Suffolk 20m asl
Quantum
11 February 2014 22:32:55

Clearly the atlantic is starting to have a hard time. 18Z is nearly a turnover type event. 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
doctormog
11 February 2014 22:34:36

Clearly the atlantic is starting to have a hard time. 18Z is nearly a turnover type event.

Originally Posted by: Quantum 



http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn18017.gif  😝
Quantum
11 February 2014 22:39:32


Warm front snow to end the 18Z;


look at the position of that arctic high, that cold air is almost in a prime position to be directed towards the UK. 


http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140211/18/192/maxtemp.png


On the 2m temps its amazingly clear where the airmass is, look at those white colours! 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
11 February 2014 22:41:14

http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140211/18/216/h850t850eu.png


So close!


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Ally Pally Snowman
11 February 2014 22:44:52


Looks great for your location plenty more flooding down south though.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=216&mode=2 
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Quantum
11 February 2014 23:00:19

http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140211/18/216/h850t850eu.png  So close!

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Looks great for your location plenty more flooding down south though. Originally Posted by: Quantum 

">http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=216&mode=2


I wouldn't rule anything out, the models are really struggling atm beyond about 120 to work out what to do with the trough and anticyclone. There is every possibility we could see some upgrades where we build heights in greenland and send everything to the south opening the floodgates to siberia; essentially all the ingredients are there, the atlantic is just a little too active. Having said that this sort of battle is not uncommon, and the cold side does indeed sometimes win.


Not saying its likely, but definately possible, do not be suprised to see massive upgrades tommorow. 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gooner
11 February 2014 23:08:21

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2281.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2283.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2284.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn22817.gif


Quite a few areas would see snow from this


 


 


 


 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


nsrobins
12 February 2014 00:02:42


Not disagreeing Marcus, but you've been posting charts like this for most of the winter it seems and always around the +220 onwards mark.

The odds are on favour of continued Atlantic dominance, and the scenarios that build any sort of HLB remain few and far between.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Gooner
12 February 2014 00:03:58



Not disagreeing Marcus, but you've been posting charts like this for most of the winter it seems and always around the +220 onwards mark.

The odds are on favour of continued Atlantic dominance, and the scenarios that build any sort of HLB remain few and far between.


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Of course I have Neil, naff all else to post


They will come good one winter


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


nsrobins
12 February 2014 00:09:42




Not disagreeing Marcus, but you've been posting charts like this for most of the winter it seems and always around the +220 onwards mark.

The odds are on favour of continued Atlantic dominance, and the scenarios that build any sort of HLB remain few and far between.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Of course I have Neil, naff all else to post


They will come good one winter


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Fair comment.
I've got so fed up with the same story day in day out I've resorted to posting in the gardening thread LOL.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
The Beast from the East
12 February 2014 00:10:35


 


 


Let's see if she's still with you in the morning or whether she's become bored already


Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 



Unfortunately, its more than likely the chastity belt will be back on again tomorrow. But all a man can do is hope....


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Matty H
12 February 2014 00:11:33



Not disagreeing Marcus, but you've been posting charts like this for most of the winter it seems and always around the +220 onwards mark.

The odds are on favour of continued Atlantic dominance, and the scenarios that build any sort of HLB remain few and far between.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Of course I have Neil, naff all else to post
They will come good one winter

Originally Posted by: Gooner 



Naff all else to post... Except the most extreme wet conditions of all time?

I know what you mean though, actually.

Quantum will be right eventually. Whether its this winter remains to be seen. In the meantime the outlook is apocalyptic. 😢 a months worth of rain on offer for the worst hit areas like the southwest over the next 5 days. Other flood areas around parts of the Thames also in the firing line.
Gooner
12 February 2014 00:15:24

Not disagreeing Marcus, but you've been posting charts like this for most of the winter it seems and always around the +220 onwards mark. The odds are on favour of continued Atlantic dominance, and the scenarios that build any sort of HLB remain few and far between.

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

Of course I have Neil, naff all else to post They will come good one winter

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

Naff all else to post... Except the most extreme wet conditions of all time? I know what you mean though, actually. Quantum will be right eventually. Whether its this winter remains to be seen. In the meantime the outlook is apocalyptic. 😢 a months worth of rain on offer for the worst hit areas like the southwest over the next 5 days. Other flood areas around parts of the Thames also in the firing line.

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 


Oh I have been posting charts with potential flooding, but so much misery for some connected to those there is a reluctance, I can never remember such a wet period , just awful


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
12 February 2014 00:37:26

http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/gefs/gefsens850London0.png


hints of a colder 5 day period......................the MM period


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


doctormog
12 February 2014 07:15:50
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.gif  LOL

A more realistic option in about 5 or 6 days time, after the current upcoming very unsettled spell, seems to be a weak ridge to the west or northwest bringing cooler air from a northerly quarter. After that, who knows but I wouldn't be putting money on the ECM 10 day option just yet.
Stormchaser
12 February 2014 07:33:53

THAT ECM.


Yeah.


 


The proposal is deceptively simple on paper; an amplified ridge from the SW gives the Arctic High all the excuse it needs to drift down into Scandinavia and throw some very cold air in our direction.


We'll see. GEM shows the sort of complications that can arise.


It's interesting to UKMO set up just as nicely as ECM by day 6 in terms of getting the Arctic High to pay us a visit thereafter.


 


Nice to talk about something other than incessant rain for once. Unfortunately parts of next week could be fairly wet still as we have a slow moving trough earlier on and the risk of a slow moving slider later on - which GFS has giving considerable amounts of rain while ECM has it barely affecting us, with a rain to snow event in the SW from the looks of things.


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Arcus
12 February 2014 07:35:57
I see ECM hitches up the petticoats once more this morning, with GEM also giggling demurely in the corner. Last orders, please.
Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
Snow Hoper
12 February 2014 07:36:56

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.gif LOL

A more realistic option in about 5 or 6 days time, after the current upcoming very unsettled spell, seems to be a weak ridge to the west or northwest bringing cooler air from a northerly quarter. After that, who knows but I wouldn't be putting money on the ECM 10 day option just yet.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


 


Nice eye candy though. Should cause a stir amongst the regulars :o)


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