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Quantum
12 February 2014 15:09:20


Beware the rogue ECM run.
GFS suite still really not having anything to do with it:
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Honestly I wouldn't give too much credit to any individual run until some consistancy appears. The 6Z went for scenario 3) wheras the 0Z went for scenario 4) which have very different outcomes. There isn't even intramodel consistancy let alone intermodel consistancy and thats at T<120h 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
The Beast from the East
12 February 2014 16:17:52

More blocked GFS


UKMO also


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2014021212/UN120-21.GIF?12-17


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The Beast from the East
12 February 2014 16:22:19

GFS trying to build a scandi high


GEM and UKMO also


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Osprey
12 February 2014 16:25:12


GFS trying to build a scandi high


GEM and UKMO also


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Q is still on for a win and my gut feeling is easing


Few more runs


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Gooner
12 February 2014 18:54:45

No interest in here ..................for obvious reasons


No surprise to ECM doesn't continue the Scandi theme


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014021212/ECH1-216.GIF?12-0


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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idj20
12 February 2014 19:04:49


No interest in here ..................for obvious reasons


No surprise to ECM doesn't continue the Scandi theme


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014021212/ECH1-216.GIF?12-0


Originally Posted by: Gooner 



Maybe not, but that would bring most welcomed dry and mildness if that came off. God, we do need it.

To be honest, I'm not keen on the idea of a "freeze up" so soon after this extremely unsettled spell. It may be good for farmers fields but I think the damage has been done anyway.

Any charts that shows a semblence of normality to things would do fine with me.


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Essan
12 February 2014 19:06:28



Beware the rogue ECM run.
GFS suite still really not having anything to do with it:
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


GFS are notoriously bad at picking up on such changes though. GFS has been on the money this season, because it has been so relentlessly zonal - doesn't mean it won't miss changes when they are really going to happen.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 



True, but this winter ECM has been notoriously bad at picking up phantom easterlies


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Gooner
12 February 2014 19:09:39



No interest in here ..................for obvious reasons


No surprise to ECM doesn't continue the Scandi theme


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014021212/ECH1-216.GIF?12-0


Originally Posted by: idj20 



Maybe not, but that would bring most welcomed dry and mildness if that came off. God, we do need it.

To be honest, I'm not keen on the idea of a "freeze up" so soon after this extremely unsettled spell. It may be good for farmers fields but I think the damage has been done anyway.

Any charts that shows a semblence of normality to things would do fine with me.


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


I don't believe any chart ECM delivers unless it is at 0hrs .


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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RobN
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12 February 2014 19:45:27




No interest in here ..................for obvious reasons


No surprise to ECM doesn't continue the Scandi theme


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014021212/ECH1-216.GIF?12-0


Originally Posted by: Gooner 



Maybe not, but that would bring most welcomed dry and mildness if that came off. God, we do need it.

To be honest, I'm not keen on the idea of a "freeze up" so soon after this extremely unsettled spell. It may be good for farmers fields but I think the damage has been done anyway.

Any charts that shows a semblence of normality to things would do fine with me.


Originally Posted by: idj20 


I don't believe any chart ECM delivers unless it is at 0hrs .


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


ECM still dragging some very cold air into scandi though. Not a million miles away as it has been.


Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
Gusty
12 February 2014 20:00:41

Something is stirring in FI. Some exceptionally cold air is being toyed with in the occasional run here and there. Could all be something of nothing but to see such a deep expansive cold pool of air at this stage just prior to a time when easterlies start to become more frequent cannot be ignored. .


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squish
12 February 2014 20:03:39

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/brack0.gif
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/brack0a.gif
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/brack1.gif



Very ominous charts at any time, but right on the back of today's storm its even more so.

Signs of a respite after that, from the wind at least.....


D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
Hungry Tiger
12 February 2014 20:03:47


Something is stirring in FI. Some exceptionally cold air is being toyed with in the occasional run here and there. Could be all be something of nothing but to see such a deep expansive cold pool of air at this stage just prior to a time when easterlies start to become more frequent cannot be ignored. .


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


If the likes of this materialised it would be one of the biggest changes in winter weather in such a short time on record.


Doesn't seem possible to me - but these days almost anything is possible..


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Gusty
12 February 2014 20:06:41



Something is stirring in FI. Some exceptionally cold air is being toyed with in the occasional run here and there. Could be all be something of nothing but to see such a deep expansive cold pool of air at this stage just prior to a time when easterlies start to become more frequent cannot be ignored. .


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


If the likes of this materialised it would be one of the biggest changes in winter weather in such a short time on record.


Doesn't seem possible to me - but these days almost anything is possible..


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Exactly Gavin. We should expect the unexpected IMO. 


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GIBBY
12 February 2014 20:34:43

Hi everyone. Here is tonight's look at the 12 midday outputs from the NWP for today Wednesday February 12th 2014 and posted over from my website at http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


All models show a deep Low pressure drifting slowly North over Scotland over the next 24 hours with a strong and showery Westerly flow bringing frequent showers with hail, thunder, sleet and snow all possible almost anywhere over the next 24 hours. A few drier and clearer intervals will separate the showers, these most likely in the East. Then by Friday a new storm equally deep as this one is shown to make a repeat track across Ireland and then on to Scotland later in the day with more severe gales and heavy rain sweeping East across all areas followed by another day or two of cold wintry showers and bright intervals in gradually decreasing winds.


GFS then shows next week and the remainder of the run with continuing unsettled weather though it is important to say things look less dramatic than currently with some drier and brighter spells separating the rain and showers periods in temperatures largely unchanged or maybe a little milder at times than currently.


UKMO ends it's run on Tuesday with a weak ridge across the UK with a weak trough approaching from the West with occasional rain later in the day with fairly average temperatures overall.


GEM shows a more coherent ridge as we move through the middle and end of next week. Eventually some ingress of Atlantic wind and rain does move in towards the North and West later.


NAVGEM also shows Low pressure making it's way back into the UK in the shape of a trough bringing rain slowly East more likely in the North and West.


ECM tonight shows less dramatic weather next week as Low pressure orientates itself on a different course giving the most rain across the NW. Later in the run a slack ridge of High pressure builds North from the South settling things down at long last with the NW likely to be the only areas likely to see significant rain by the end of next week. It doesn't look like it will last long though in it's shown form.


The ECM 9 and 10 Day Mean Charts continue to show a slightly less optimistic mean from the operational although the basic pattern isn't far from agreed. low pressure looks likely up to the NW in 10 days time with a SW flow bringing occasional rain to the UK but in less dramatic form than that of late.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


The GFS Ensembles tonight show a continuation of rain at times under an Atlantic influence continuing. Temperatures will rise somewhat to levels near or somewhat above average after the next three or four days.


The GFS Jet Stream continues to blow to the South of the UK for three or four more days before the flow become much more flambouyant as it undulates North and South over and around the vicinty of the British Isles.


In Summary tonight there is still some good support for something of an improvement in conditions from the period towards the middle of next week. There will still be some rain at times likely, more especially over the North with the South seeing the best of drier and brighter spells with some relief for flooded areas at last.


Martin G
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Nordic Snowman
12 February 2014 20:45:32




No interest in here ..................for obvious reasons


No surprise to ECM doesn't continue the Scandi theme


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014021212/ECH1-216.GIF?12-0


Originally Posted by: Gooner 



Maybe not, but that would bring most welcomed dry and mildness if that came off. God, we do need it.

To be honest, I'm not keen on the idea of a "freeze up" so soon after this extremely unsettled spell. It may be good for farmers fields but I think the damage has been done anyway.

Any charts that shows a semblence of normality to things would do fine with me.


Originally Posted by: idj20 


I don't believe any chart ECM delivers unless it is at 0hrs .


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


It was clear Marcus that ECM OP this morning was on the coldest side:


http://www.weathercast.co.uk/services/ensemble-forecast.html


Now back to the sofa to see if Man U can avoid another defeat


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Osprey
12 February 2014 20:51:40


Hi everyone. Here is tonight's look at the 12 midday outputs from the NWP for today Wednesday February 12th 2014 and posted over from my website at http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


The GFS Ensembles tonight show a continuation of rain at times under an Atlantic influence continuing. Temperatures will rise somewhat to levels near or somewhat above average after the next three or four days.


The GFS Jet Stream continues to blow to the South of the UK for three or four more days before the flow become much more flambouyant as it undulates North and South over and around the vicinty of the British Isles.


In Summary tonight there is still some good support for something of an improvement in conditions from the period towards the middle of next week. There will still be some rain at times likely, more especially over the North with the South seeing the best of drier and brighter spells with some relief for flooded areas at last.


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


Thank you Martin


So around the 19th improving? mmm Gut feeling for dry weather still on course... Steady as she goes models...


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Ally Pally Snowman
12 February 2014 21:14:11
With ensembles like this you have to think WIO. The ensembles never looked remotely cold talk of a cold spell looks optimistic at best to say the least.

http://www.weerplaza.nl/15daagseverwachting/?r=midden&type=eps_pluim 

Perhaps the only interesting thing we can look for is can we break the record for the wettest season. If GFS is to be believed we have a chance.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png 

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Jive Buddy
12 February 2014 22:02:30




Something is stirring in FI. Some exceptionally cold air is being toyed with in the occasional run here and there. Could be all be something of nothing but to see such a deep expansive cold pool of air at this stage just prior to a time when easterlies start to become more frequent cannot be ignored. .


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


If the likes of this materialised it would be one of the biggest changes in winter weather in such a short time on record.


Doesn't seem possible to me - but these days almost anything is possible..


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


Exactly Gavin. We should expect the unexpected IMO. 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


If we expect the unexpected, then the unexpected becomes the expected....I expect


It's not over, until the fat Scandy sinks.....

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White Meadows
12 February 2014 22:18:38
There's nothing but endless zonal in the output tonight.
No point in barking up the wrong tree with that ECM outlier.
Osprey
12 February 2014 22:24:45

Ecm looks ok to me slowing down the atlantic feed for start around the 17th


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014021212/ECM1-120.GIF


Unless I'm reading this all wrong/


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White Meadows
12 February 2014 22:42:36
Looks damp to me. And mild.
Robertski
12 February 2014 22:45:32

Looks damp to me. And mild.

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


I dont see anything mild! Maybe not particularly cold but never really mild.

Osprey
12 February 2014 22:47:06

Looks damp to me. And mild.

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


mmm Just watched the Beeb weather Dry Interlude on Sunday but won't last


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squish
12 February 2014 23:09:02
Not much of a lull in the 18z GFS. A drier,colder day sunday before it all winds up again through next week...
D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
RobN
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12 February 2014 23:12:29

Not much of a lull in the 18z GFS. A drier,colder day sunday before it all winds up again through next week...

Originally Posted by: squish 


Indeed, just insanely wet FI.


Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.

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