That, joking aside is genuinely shocking.

Sad day for Brazil .Even the fans had "OLAY'S for the German players.......

At least the standard of  tonight's game will be l up..   " HUP HUP HOLLAND "   or else the flags will be down. . After Saturdays play offs.....

Apart from anything it's good to see Brazil getting hammered if only because they have stupid names. Does anyone know where this tradition comes from? For example, 'Fred' is called Frederico Chaves Guedes, so why not have Guedes on the team sheet?

Seeing them get hammered would be too much to hope for. But I always live in hope.

Luiz was due a bad game. He didn't disappoint.

I don't know Matty - might only be one great side in there but I'd settle for having won the world cup 5 times rather than once (with a dodgy goal and another that would never stand now - pitch invader and the goal stands!)

This Brazil team has not been great, and having lost their talisman turned into a shambles last night.

Wouldn't be suprised to see Germany NOT WIN the final.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLZUKqpXYzU

They cant blame the absence of Neymar (who is overrated anyway), but perhaps the suspension of Silva in defence was significant.

Fair play to the Brazil fans for not rioting or setting fire to the stadium. I was half expecting something like that but I think deep down, even they realised this team was shite and were lucky to make it to the semis

Go Argentina!!!

A Germany v Argentina final !  I would want them both to **** each other over.  And what a shite final that was in 1990.

This German [censored]fest I am reading on the t'interweb these days is worrying me, come on we don't want zee Germans to win, watching the Germans win is like watching someone punch a kitten in the face. 

I could never support Germany or Scotland at international level and Argentina are very borderline also.

I want the Dutch to finally get over the line at the 4th attempt and it would be fitting to do that against zee Germans who beat them in the final in 74.

Indeed, I would love to see the Argies get smashed 

The 1982 Brazil side wasn't a bad one by the way, one of the best sides not to win the world cup. Socrates, Zico, Falcao...... I agree that the 1970 side was the only great one and the greatest in history. If the Dutch had won the WC in 1974 they could have come close to the Brazil 1970 side for greatness, but they **** it up as usual 

Indeed it was, although that said the 1986 final in Mexico between the Argies and the Germans was far better.

Just out of interest, I wonder who most England fans were supporting on the night of the 1990 final. The Germans that had knocked them out on penalties four nights earlier, or Argentina who were still led by the man that became one of the biggest villains in England's World Cup history thanks to the "Hand of God" goal four years earlier.

All Euro final

Germany v Holland

HUP HUP HOLLAND   Their flag with Oranje  Streamers is   Fluttering well in the breeze. ....

Which was made all the easier by Brazil's unbelievable incompetence.

True, but watching millions of Brazilians (who thought winning the WC was a mere formality) cry made me happy last night.

As I and others mentioned earlier, they would in all likelihood have gone out of the tournament against Chile in the 2nd round had that shot the Chileans had in the last few seconds of extra-time not rebounded off the bar. They had an enormous let-off when that happened and I think they knew that.

IMO, it makes Brazil's performance last night look even worse when you think that three teams of supposedly lesser ability, namely Ghana, USA and Algeria all came much closer to getting a result against the Germans than the men in yellow ever did last night.

Good point

Indeed, I think the words Brazilian football team gives off an image of excellence after their success of the past, but I think that kind of scews peoples minds and people expect them to win 99% of the time purely through this. Every 4 years teams change - great aging players get replaced by average ones as we have seen. The past is the past and people cannot go off past success alone and think they will do well every tournament.

That's right. I should have mentioned earlier that Ghana did actually get a 2-2 draw with Germany in a match I had fancied the Germans to win convincingly, especially after hammering Portugal 4-0 in their opening match. The 1-0 win over the USA in the end suited both teams in terms of advancing to the last 16, but I wasn't that convinced at all by the way they played against Algeria, during the first 90 minutes anyway. They did enough to beat France without really setting the heather alight.

Regardless of who wins tonight, I think that Germany will have a much more difficult match in the final on Sunday than they had last night. The Argies themselves know all about German goalscoring power, having been gubbed 4-0 by them in the quarter-finals of the last World Cup. Both Argentina and Holland have old scores to settle with the Germans; Argentina for losing in the 1990 final and then the Q/F defeats to the Germans in 2006 and 2010, and Holland for losing the 1974 final.