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GIBBY
25 August 2014 08:01:10

Good morning everyone. Here is my latest and being a Monday in depth analysis of the model outputs released this morning.


http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/NEW-Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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25 August 2014 09:16:44


The ECM seems to have gone off on one this morning. That op run bears no resemblance to any of the ensemble members from last nights 12z run, at least in terms of temperature. Will be interesting to see what the ensembles show this morning but I rather suspect this will be a very warm outlier. None of the other models support such a significant plume. The wind direction indicated by the isobars suggests that any plume would drift to the east of the UK anyway. That 240 chart just looks all wrong to me.


EDIT - well in fact there is some ensemble support for the op run with the control run taking a similar path. But there is huge scatter on the ensembles by day 10 and the 0z run is very different to yesterday's 12z. So I would need to see this warmer setup shown consistently for a number of runs before I buy in to it. http://www.knmi.nl/exp/pluim/vijftiendaagse/index.php

Hungry Tiger
25 August 2014 09:24:27


If that comes off that will be well and truly welcome.


 


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GIBBY
25 August 2014 09:29:45

Good support for a UK based Anticyclone in 10 days time from the ECM Ensemble pack this morning.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


Martin G
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Charmhills
25 August 2014 09:39:20

Not unusual for the start of September really is it!


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
briggsy6
25 August 2014 10:22:22
The season of mists and mellow fruitfulness is nearly upon us once again.
Location: Uxbridge
Quantum
25 August 2014 19:56:42

Regarding Cristobal transition from fully tropical starts at 96hr


http://www2.wetter3.de/Animation_12_UTC/96_5.gif


System officially looses tropical status at 120hr (progged) 


http://www2.wetter3.de/Animation_12_UTC/120_5.gif


 


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Charmhills
25 August 2014 20:04:19

Looking more settled by the weekend and warmer to and this continuing well into next week.


Typical start to September then.


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
Medlock Vale Weather
25 August 2014 20:51:25

All the main models going for high pressure over us in early September - a growing trend tonight for something warmer and drier as we begin Meteorological Autumn.


Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
GIBBY
26 August 2014 07:38:39

Drier weather next week is the order of the models this morning. You can see my full analysis for this morning's 00z outputs here.


http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/NEW-Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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ARTzeman
26 August 2014 08:26:58

Shall be glad to see some better weather .Schools back next week so weather changes....






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Others just get wet.
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ARTzeman
26 August 2014 08:29:35

The season of mists and mellow fruitfulness is nearly upon us once again.

Originally Posted by: briggsy6 


 


Had that this morning...






Some people walk in the rain.
Others just get wet.
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26 August 2014 08:38:57


Drier weather next week is the order of the models this morning. You can see my full analysis for this morning's 00z outputs here.


http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/NEW-Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 



Good, I have spring barley ready 


Stormchaser
26 August 2014 11:37:27

After another run of days with frontal rain and showers to contend with, and temperatures a bit lackluster during the day, the models do seem to be coming together on the idea of a ridge building Saturday-Sunday from the SW as LP finally departs to the E or NE.


This could see a clearance of showers from the southwest during Saturday, followed by temperatures to rising to near 20*C, then perhaps 21-23*C widely by Sunday if we get a bit of luck with the cloud amounts.


 


That ridge then looks likely to gain a foothold to our NE, potentially forming a blocking high. The surface conditions then depend on the airflow and its source - the ECM 00z and GFS 06z runs show a slack flow initially, with a tropical maritime airmass circulating around the HP cell, before a southeasterly feed establishes as the high locates more to our NE, keeping things on the warm side, potentially very warm.


The GFS 00z run developed more of an easterly instead, largely due to more of a trough sliding under the building ridge this weekend. That seemed to hamper temperatures rather a lot - though I suspect the model overdid the supression a bit in the lower-res (192-384 hours).


 


I'm keeping an eye on the potential for the jet to develop a sharper trough to our west than currently modelled, bringing more of a southerly flow later next week with attendant heat and storm potential. The hot air on offer looks to be at the high end of the scale, as heat displaces from Africa to Spain and develops a broad region of 20-25*C 850hPa temperatures.


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Quantum
26 August 2014 12:55:50

I don't see how anyone can be so confident of a calm start to september with Hurricane cristobal wahsing up on the UK is well within the realms of possibilty. When this storm transitions to an extratropical storm, barycyclic effects could cause it to develop into a bomb, particularly if it interacts with a frontal system. This means we are looking at a potentially very deep area of low pressure (<960mb) developing over the course of 36 hours that the models are underestimating. The effects of this are uncertain, and while the storm is more likely to pass to the north of the UK than over it, I wouldn't rule anything out yet.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gavin P
26 August 2014 12:56:39

Hi all,


Here's today's video update:


September Song On The Way?


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


All the sings point to a warmer/drier spell next week. Enjoy.


Rural West Northants 120m asl
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sizzle
26 August 2014 14:15:14


Hi all,


Here's today's video update:


September Song On The Way?


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


All the sings point to a warmer/drier spell next week. Enjoy.


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 

  thanks Gav.  looking like it could peak mid 20s next week.. 

Ally Pally Snowman
26 August 2014 19:31:31
Well the September heat wave is gathering momentum very warm if not hot weather on the way. Very settled as well

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1442.html 
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1922.html 
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.html 
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Medlock Vale Weather
26 August 2014 19:50:42

Well the September heat wave is gathering momentum very warm if not hot weather on the way. Very settled as well

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1442.html
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1922.html
Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

">http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.html


Indeed. The control run going for 26-27C for the London area by the end of next week. 


Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
sizzle
26 August 2014 20:05:26


Well the September heat wave is gathering momentum very warm if not hot weather on the way. Very settled as well

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1442.html
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1922.html
Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 

">http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.html

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Indeed. The control run going for 26-27C for the London area by the end of next week. 


   will most probably look totally different tomorrow..

Medlock Vale Weather
26 August 2014 20:46:03

JMA pumping up very warm uppers to the country. http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rjma1682.gif


Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
26 August 2014 20:57:47



Well the September heat wave is gathering momentum very warm if not hot weather on the way. Very settled as well

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1442.html
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1922.html
Originally Posted by: sizzle 

">http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.html

Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 


Indeed. The control run going for 26-27C for the London area by the end of next week. 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

   will most probably look totally different tomorrow..



The exact location of the high pressure will make a huge difference to the temperatures. Taking T240 as an example the GFS run has the high well to the east of the UK pulling in very warm air from the ESE http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2402.gif


Conversely the ECM has the high right over the UK at the same time. The UK is still in fairly warm air although west would be best. But it would not take much to bring in cooler air from the east. http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.gif
Notice the northerly flow coming into Denmark and Germany. If we look at the De Bilt (Netherlands) ensembles we see that at T240 the maximum temperature forecast by the 12z op run is only around 17-18C. http://www.knmi.nl/exp/pluim/index.php. It would be several degrees higher in the UK though with mid 20's in the south-west.


Generally there is good cross model support now for high pressure centred near the UK in early September with an increasing chance of some very warm weather. But if the high ends up further west we may only see temperatures slightly above average. We should have a clearer picture on the likely track of the centre of the high by the end of this week.


Beyond the end of the first week of September anything could happen. Both GFS and GEM want to bring an ex TS across the Atlantic (not Christobal but a subsequent TS). 
GEM - TS just appearing at the western edge of the T240 chart http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem2401.gif
GFS - http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2401.gif


Where this storm ends up, if indeed it develops at all, could have a significant impact on our weather as Bertha demonstrated. GFS is currently pulling it north to Iceland keeping high pressure to the NE of the UK.

Stormchaser
26 August 2014 22:05:33

Well now this is getting very interesting indeed!


There remains some short term disagreement on how the UK trough exits the UK this weekend; GFS has it scoot off east while ECM absorbs most of it into the system containing ex-Cristobal.


Remarkably, both versions of events are now shown to result in a ridge across the UK with a tropical maritime airmass giving some very warm, humid weather, temperatures in the mid to high 20's potentially.


With Cristobal looking to be a very large system (actually rather a lot like Sandy of 2012...), the amplification of the jet stream in response is likely to be very strong.


With the weaker ex-Bertha, a lesser amount of amplication still managed to trap us in a regime of northerly winds with a stalled trough over Scandinavia persisting for a large part of the month.


This was actually due in large part to a second Atlantic trough phasing with ex-Bertha as the system tried to clear away to the NE of the UK. Without that, the ridge in the Atlantic would have most likely ended up more or less over the UK, with near average temperatures and little rain. That's British weather for you!


 


http://max.nwstatic.co.uk/ecmimages/20140826/12/ecmt850.120.png


This time around, we have the same sort of process, but taking place a lot further west. Ex-Bertha tracked right through the UK, while ex-Cristobal is headed towards Iceland. 


http://max.nwstatic.co.uk/ecmimages/20140826/12/ecmt850.168.png


Currently, both ECM and GFS show a second Atlantic trough failing to phase with ex-Cristobal. The systems may not be all that far apart, but with the main opportunity for that now at the 5-6 day range, it would take an unusually large adjustment to change the result - still something to watch out for though. I think if it happened, the result would be a stalled trough either to our NW or N, though I'm not sure about that to be honest.


 


As things stand, ex-Cristobal is able to track towards Siberia without too much trouble - though doesn't quite make it on the ECM run - and the amplified jet is represented by the 'left behind' Atlantic trough digging south and the UK ridge building north. At the moment, the jet looks weak enough after Cristobal's passage to allow the UK ridge to sit around without being displaced by trough development across Europe, but that's by no means a certain thing.


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T-Max: 30.2°C 9th Sep (...!) | T-Min: -7.1°C 22nd & 23rd Jan | Wettest Day: 25.9mm 2nd Nov | Ice Days: 1 (2nd Dec -1.3°C in freezing fog)
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Quantum
26 August 2014 22:13:21

Look at the jet stream and its relation to cristobal (see http://max.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140826/18/90/airpressure.png ) , this is what I'm worried about.


http://max.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140826/18/90/hgt300.png


There is scope for explosive development of a secondary low here. Cristobal is already unusual in that despite being tropical it has what look like frontal systems, if its cold front interacts with this jet, then a secondary low could develop extremely quickly due to the high levels of divergence in the upper atmosphere. The secondary low, if it does form would be on a direct course for the UK.


 


 


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.

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