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Charmhills
23 September 2014 10:21:44



2012 october was,nt it a indian summer ???  new year 2013 very cold jan/feb maybe wrong... anyway charts looking stonking for october month perfect weather for me, just fingers cross for a decent winter this year,,, and some weather activitiy


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


No, it was 2011 that had a very hot start to October, with 29.9C on the 1st. The following winter had some cold snaps but wasn't exceptional. (Some pretty cold minima in February 2012 though as I recall).


October 2012 was wet and cold.


 



I wonder what daytime temperatures we'll get from that.

Originally Posted by: sizzle 


 


Got to be good for 25C+ if that comes off.


My firewood pile won't be going down until well into November at this rate...


Hungry Tiger wrote:


It depends if you tap into a hot air source that is.


25c+ can't be archived on its own at this time of year.


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sizzle
23 September 2014 10:43:43




2012 october was,nt it a indian summer ???  new year 2013 very cold jan/feb maybe wrong... anyway charts looking stonking for october month perfect weather for me, just fingers cross for a decent winter this year,,, and some weather activitiy


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


No, it was 2011 that had a very hot start to October, with 29.9C on the 1st. The following winter had some cold snaps but wasn't exceptional. (Some pretty cold minima in February 2012 though as I recall).


October 2012 was wet and cold.


 



I wonder what daytime temperatures we'll get from that.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


Got to be good for 25C+ if that comes off.


My firewood pile won't be going down until well into November at this rate...


Originally Posted by: sizzle 


It depends if you tap into a hot air source that is.


25c+ can't be archived on its own at this time of year.


Hungry Tiger wrote:

  thanks rob K, wont be suprised if we see just cold snaps this winter,   but who knows,

Saint Snow
23 September 2014 10:45:19


My firewood pile won't be going down until well into November at this rate...


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


Perhaps the 5th?


 




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Gavin P
23 September 2014 12:13:31

Hi all,


Here's today's video update:


Staying very dry into October


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


No real sign of change within the next 7-10 days.


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Matty H
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23 September 2014 19:50:05
No mention of this evenings runs? Quite incredible output. ECM longer range is astonishing, although unlikely I guess.
Stormchaser
23 September 2014 19:50:36

https://max.nwstatic.co.uk/ecmimages/20140923/12/ecmt850.216.png


ECM's been thinking of the same time of year in 2011...


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/archive/ra/2011/Rrea00120111001.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/archive/ra/2011/Rrea00220111001.gif


Striking similarities, really. The HP is being modelled as a stronger feature this time, though.


 


UKMO seems to be the only other model heading along the right lines for such an extreme version of events. GFS manages a prolonged affair that takes until a week into October to break down, but it lacks the intensity that ECM has produced.


JMA gives the high pressure a bit of trouble as the jet is particularly strong on the model's 12z op run. The way that the various disturbances phase into one very deep system is something GFS has trended away from over the past few runs.


GEM develops a small tropical system on day 4 to the SE of the Azores, which has no support from the other models. This causes the ridge this weekend to nose further north than would otherwise occur, resulting in a HP cell to our NE rather than E. That's more like what ECM was showing until yesterday. GEM then goes mad with the Atlantic jet... it ain't pretty.


 


Overall, ECM and UKMO are standing firm with the idea of strong HP influence leading to something exceptionally warm that gradually destabilises, GFS has trended towards them, JMA has stuck with a stronger Atlantic influence that keeps the NW more changeable, and GEM... has been very much in character.


I'm rooting for that ECM 12z op run, as I greatly enjoy such extremes in Autumn.


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Matty H
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23 September 2014 20:41:10

No mention of this evenings runs? Quite incredible output. ECM longer range is astonishing, although unlikely I guess.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Then James appears 😁 great run down.
Jonesy
23 September 2014 21:44:31


https://max.nwstatic.co.uk/ecmimages/20140923/12/ecmt850.216.png


ECM's been thinking of the same time of year in 2011...


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/archive/ra/2011/Rrea00120111001.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/archive/ra/2011/Rrea00220111001.gif


Striking similarities, really. The HP is being modelled as a stronger feature this time, though.


 


UKMO seems to be the only other model heading along the right lines for such an extreme version of events. GFS manages a prolonged affair that takes until a week into October to break down, but it lacks the intensity that ECM has produced.


JMA gives the high pressure a bit of trouble as the jet is particularly strong on the model's 12z op run. The way that the various disturbances phase into one very deep system is something GFS has trended away from over the past few runs.


GEM develops a small tropical system on day 4 to the SE of the Azores, which has no support from the other models. This causes the ridge this weekend to nose further north than would otherwise occur, resulting in a HP cell to our NE rather than E. That's more like what ECM was showing until yesterday. GEM then goes mad with the Atlantic jet... it ain't pretty.


 


Overall, ECM and UKMO are standing firm with the idea of strong HP influence leading to something exceptionally warm that gradually destabilises, GFS has trended towards them, JMA has stuck with a stronger Atlantic influence that keeps the NW more changeable, and GEM... has been very much in character.


I'm rooting for that ECM 12z op run, as I greatly enjoy such extremes in Autumn.


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


Would that be high temps for the time of year but with mist & fog? giving it that muggy damp feel?


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GIBBY
24 September 2014 07:34:24

Quite a complex set of output this morning especially longer term but here's how I see it in my regular morning model analysis.


http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/NEW-Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


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sizzle
24 September 2014 08:07:32

 great morning forecast GIBBY,   nice to see this settled spell last but me  im ready for change,    thanks

picturesareme
24 September 2014 14:02:29
I just have this feeling of déjà vu that this year is broadly going the same way as last year!! And that's not good.

Good June, fantastic July, mediocre August, and then a warm dry start to autumn....
some faraway beach
24 September 2014 17:01:43

I just have this feeling of déjà vu that this year is broadly going the same way as last year!! And that's not good.

Good June, fantastic July, mediocre August, and then a warm dry start to autumn....

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


I understand you're talking in general terms, but from the synoptic point of view the situation to our west out in the Atlantic couldn't really be any more different today from how it looked 12 months ago:


2013:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/archives/archives.php?day=24&month=9&year=2013&hour=12&map=1&mode=0


2014:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php


For what it's worth it looks a little like 2009 imo:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/archives/archives.php?day=24&month=9&year=2009&hour=12&map=1&mode=0


2 miles west of Taunton, 32 m asl, where "milder air moving in from the west" becomes SNOWMAGEDDON.
Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.
Stormchaser
24 September 2014 19:57:11

Seeking an explanation for the sudden drop of the high pressure cell over Europe beyond this weekend, it appears that the intensity of the mid-Atlantic trough has been upgraded to the point that it drives warm air advection (WAA) on the eastern flank due north instead of northeast.


This then allows the new ridge from the SW to build to our NE rather than E or SE, which means that although we stay on the warm side of things until a few days into October, there isn't anything exceptional to be experienced.


It's a mighty shame if you like that sort of thing such as I do, but there's nothing that can be done other than accept the nature of rare events I'm afraid!


 


Longer term, the signs are there that the blocking pattern might only manage to shift as far as western Russia before locking in again, which produces a setup very much like we had from mid-December through to mid-February last year.


There's even a suggestion of East-U.S. trough action unfolding - in which, case, brace yourselves for a wild ride at the mercy of the Atlantic train... not remotely set in stone of course, but something to keep an eye on for sure.


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Polar Low
24 September 2014 20:08:52

gfs opp has that a little wrong as we entre low resolution me thinks.


X http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=204&mode=0&carte=1


mean has other members on its side frankly 15 uppers in September and 564 into england into england thursday thats a long way north for late September.


 http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


><http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?ech=228&code=21&mode=0&carte=1


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/royaume-uni/isotherme-0/30h.htm

Matty H
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24 September 2014 20:27:42

I just have this feeling of déjà vu that this year is broadly going the same way as last year!! And that's not good.

Good June, fantastic July, mediocre August, and then a warm dry start to autumn....

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 



Not good? It would be amazing! Two mild winters in a row!

Personal preference of course, but also worth saying any comment on winter in September is pointless.
picturesareme
24 September 2014 21:05:22

I just have this feeling of déjà vu that this year is broadly going the same way as last year!! And that's not good.

Good June, fantastic July, mediocre August, and then a warm dry start to autumn....

Originally Posted by: some faraway beach 


I understand you're talking in general terms, but from the synoptic point of view the situation to our west out in the Atlantic couldn't really be any more different today from how it looked 12 months ago:
2013:
http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/archives/archives.php?day=24&month=9&year=2013&hour=12&map=1&mode=0 
2014:
http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php 
For what it's worth it looks a little like 2009 imo:
http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/archives/archives.php?day=24&month=9&year=2009&hour=12&map=1&mode=0 

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 



Although as you say I'm just meaning general feel, of those charts you linked I would say 13&14 look more alike then 09
some faraway beach
24 September 2014 22:24:52
Sorry, picturesareme. For some reason the links show 24 May 2014 rather than 24 Sept. 2013 and 24 Sept. 2009 as I intended.

New technology ... I give up.
2 miles west of Taunton, 32 m asl, where "milder air moving in from the west" becomes SNOWMAGEDDON.
Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.
GIBBY
25 September 2014 07:50:08

Good morning folks. Here's my look at the 00zs this morning.


http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/NEW-Model-Analysis(2859336).htm 


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GIBBY
25 September 2014 08:40:26

Just to complete this morning's look at the 00zs. It's steady as a rock from the ECM 10 Day Mean today as the UK remains bathed in warm moist air from the SW with a High pressure belt to the South and Low pressure and the Jet Stream held well North of the UK.


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


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Maunder Minimum
25 September 2014 08:58:58

Just to complete this morning's look at the 00zs. It's steady as a rock from the ECM 10 Day Mean today as the UK remains bathed in warm moist air from the SW with a High pressure belt to the South and Low pressure and the Jet Stream held well North of the UK.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif 

Originally Posted by: GIBBY 



Good idea to get the Bartletts in October - then we might avoid them in the heart of winter 😉
New world order coming.
turbotubbs
25 September 2014 09:00:47

Is it wrong to moan about being bored of this weather?

idj20
25 September 2014 09:14:18


Is it wrong to moan about being bored of this weather?


Originally Posted by: turbotubbs 



This time last year I would have said the same thing as you, but that horror show that was last Autumn & Winter had completely changed my perceptions of our weather. The longer this settled spell eats into Autumn proper, the better.

And thus with that to mind, this morning's output runs did make me feel all nice and safe and calm.


Folkestone Harbour. 
Saint Snow
25 September 2014 09:34:23


And thus with that to mind, this morning's output runs did make me feel all nice andsafe and calm. UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: idj20 



Bless 😎

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Jonesy
25 September 2014 10:23:15



Is it wrong to moan about being bored of this weather?


Originally Posted by: idj20 



This time last year I would have said the same thing as you, but that horror show that was last Autumn & Winter had completely changed my perceptions of our weather. The longer this settled spell eats into Autumn proper, the better.

And thus with that to mind, this morning's output runs did make me feel all nice and safe and calm.


Originally Posted by: turbotubbs 


Are you sure the weather is the right hobby for you Ian LOL


Have to agree about the settled spell, as much as i love cold and snow I'm enjoying Autumn currently and it will make it feel a shorter spell till March :D


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idj20
25 September 2014 10:42:20




Is it wrong to moan about being bored of this weather?


Originally Posted by: Jonesy 



This time last year I would have said the same thing as you, but that horror show that was last Autumn & Winter had completely changed my perceptions of our weather. The longer this settled spell eats into Autumn proper, the better.

And thus with that to mind, this morning's output runs did make me feel all nice and safe and calm.


Originally Posted by: idj20 


Are you sure the weather is the right hobby for you Ian LOL


Originally Posted by: turbotubbs 



Let's put it this way, I love anything to do with trains and the railways but the last time I set foot in a train was in 1988. I don't even have a model railway layout. 


Folkestone Harbour. 

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