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Russwirral
24 October 2014 11:25:43


Silly season has already started! I came across this on the book of face. Love the first line, strong signals for a SEVERE WINTER quickly followed up by, "We tell you how it is without the HYPE" Almost PMSL! 


https://www.dropbox.com/s/0d6e0n5jqyku0tr/snow.png?dl=0


 


 


Originally Posted by: festivalking 


 


Is that the page matt hugo setup - I know he has set up a page to distribute updates on  real actual weather forecast.  Rather than the hype found on the express/mail which results in several spam msgs been thrown about, and subsequent negative feedback to actual weather professionals.


 


Its his way of tackling such nusiance facebook threads.


Russwirral
24 October 2014 11:28:48

Anyone know what has happened to the Siberian snow cover site?  Its completely vanished.  Was enjoying my daily feed of progress :(


Stormchaser
24 October 2014 12:37:46


Hi All,

I remember lots of talk about sun spots and sun flares contributing to either mild or cold winters.

Apparantly the Sun has just had one of the largest flare ups in 25 years.

Could this scupper the other building blocks to a blocked colder winter, like th the OPI etc?


Originally Posted by: Hendon Snowman 


Hi there. It takes prolonged higher activity to have a notable impact, or so I've read 


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ErghKommol
24 October 2014 13:09:30


Anyone know what has happened to the Siberian snow cover site?  Its completely vanished.  Was enjoying my daily feed of progress :(


Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


Same for me also, been down for most of this week :(

Gavin P
24 October 2014 14:07:16

I hear there has been a serious hardware failure (assume server failure) at NOAA/NIC website. Has also effected NOAA sea surface temperature website as that's not been available all week either.


Very frustrating at such a critical time. Nobody would would care if NIC website went down in July, LOL.


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Brian Gaze
24 October 2014 14:42:29


I hear there has been a serious hardware failure (assume server failure) at NOAA/NIC website. Has also effected NOAA sea surface temperature website as that's not been available all week either.


Very frustrating at such a critical time. Nobody would would care if NIC website went down in July, LOL.


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


They're currently undergoing a big hardware upgrade which is separate to the GFS upgrade. Both projects are scheduled to finish before the end of this year.  


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Medlock Vale Weather
24 October 2014 16:45:32

Been some snow in Northern Romania today, can see some on the trees, cars and the grass verge near the cars. I like looking at this webcam in Winter, it can get VERY snowy in Suceava.


http://svnews.ro/webcam-live/webcam-suceava-palatul-administrativ/


http://classic.wunderground.com/history/airport/LRSV/2014/10/24/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA


 


 


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Gavin P
24 October 2014 16:48:47



I hear there has been a serious hardware failure (assume server failure) at NOAA/NIC website. Has also effected NOAA sea surface temperature website as that's not been available all week either.


Very frustrating at such a critical time. Nobody would would care if NIC website went down in July, LOL.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


They're currently undergoing a big hardware upgrade which is separate to the GFS upgrade. Both projects are scheduled to finish before the end of this year.  


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Thanks Brian.


I hope we get the snow cover and SST charts back before year end.


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Tree & Snowman
24 October 2014 18:38:37
Hoping for something decent in the way of cold weather this winter.Last year was a write off for the coldies even up here in Scotland,not one notable spell of cold weather !Can't remember it being like that since the 90s.

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Medlock Vale Weather
24 October 2014 20:08:32

Looks like it would be a nice stroll in Rovaniemi tonight - with snow on the ground. 


http://www.rovaniemi.fi/roikpiwebcamimages/Kamera2_00001.jpg


 


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Whether Idle
25 October 2014 05:07:19



OPI forecast to be -2.28 after 06z


http://app.til.it/opi/


Originally Posted by: Gavin823 


 


Seems fairly stable at the moment in the -2 range


With a negative OPI almost certain now its going to be a good test for it this coming winter given some of the seasonal models are going for a fairly mild winter namely the met office ens mean maps and this months Beijing Climate Centre update also shows a mild winter


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


A bit of cross threading here.  I'm with the Met O and Beijing on the coming winter.  I cannot see a cold winter developing after the run of mild months we've had and the SSTs are around 16 locally compared to the LTA of 13-12 c.


My present prognosis for the winter is that a flabby Euro High will affect the S and E of Britain with slack south westerly and southerly flows.  Lows will affect the N W of the UK with frequent SW a W winds and above average rainfall in the W.  Mild and dry in the S and E of the UK, 2014 should deliver the warmest year on record.  The early part of 2015 will continue in much the same vein.  As a whole, it is difficult to say, but not impossible in the current climatic trends, that winter 2014-15 will be even milder than its predecessor.  Lows and their fronts will affect all parts but their influence in the S and E will be far less than was the case last winter.  Cold air will remain bottled up to the N and E despite several major model teases  in the range of 300-216 hours that show an outbreak reaching Britain from the N E.  March may see a sudden switch to colder northerlies.


I will issue a winter forecast nearer to December 1st, by which time my opinion may have altered.  November is always a key month for winter LRFs, mainly because it gets you a better chance of an accurate start to the December forecast if you leave it til Dec 1st.  LoL.


 


WI


 


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nsrobins
25 October 2014 07:50:56


 


I will issue a winter forecast nearer to December 1st, by which time my opinion may have altered.  November is always a key month for winter LRFs, mainly because it gets you a better chance of an accurate start to the December forecast if you leave it til Dec 1st.  LoL.


 


WI


 


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


I find the only effective method of an accurate long-range forecast for Dec to Feb is to publish it on 1st March


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Whether Idle
25 October 2014 08:13:34



 


I will issue a winter forecast nearer to December 1st, by which time my opinion may have altered.  November is always a key month for winter LRFs, mainly because it gets you a better chance of an accurate start to the December forecast if you leave it til Dec 1st.  LoL.


 


WI


 


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


I find the only effective method of an accurate long-range forecast for Dec to Feb is to publish it on 1st March


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


ROFL.  You have a point there!


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Cumbrian Snowman
26 October 2014 09:46:38

Anybody know whats happened to the natice website ? -  I havent been to access it for a week now


 


http://www.natice.noaa.gov/pub/ims/ims_gif/DATA/cursnow_asiaeurope.gif


 


its the one that shows the advancing ice and snow over the north ?


 


thanks


picturesareme
26 October 2014 18:29:10


Anybody know whats happened to the natice website ? -  I havent been to access it for a week now


 


http://www.natice.noaa.gov/pub/ims/ims_gif/DATA/cursnow_asiaeurope.gif


 


its the one that shows the advancing ice and snow over the north ?


 


thanks


Originally Posted by: Cumbrian Snowman 


 


their website is down I think.

Medlock Vale Weather
26 October 2014 21:28:58

Brilliant Webcam below of the first snowfall of the season currently in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan. It's like a blizzard!. The snow coverage map will now extend south into Central Asia!


http://live.saimanet.kg/ru/cams/2#.VE1mOCsrsTM


 


 


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Gooner
26 October 2014 22:56:47

Good stuff Steve


 


Lets hope that is how it pans out


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SEMerc
27 October 2014 00:59:19

FWIW, Joe Bas tardi's latest updated winter forecast for North America. Now that may or may not have ramifications for over here.


The actual forecast starts about 5.40 into the vid.


The comparison between Northern Hemisphere snow cover this year vs last year is especially interesting.


Now I certainly make no claims to be an expert, but if Weatherbell's prediction of blocking over the Canadian high arctic pans out I find it difficult to believe model suggestions we're going to have a mild winter over here, although I suppose it comes down to where the polar vortex is ultimately displaced to..


Joe always was a cold ramper.


http://www.weatherbell.com/saturday-summary-october-25-2014


 

tallyho_83
27 October 2014 01:47:20


FWIW, Joe Bas tardi's latest updated winter forecast for North America. Now that may or may not have ramifications for over here.


The actual forecast starts about 5.40 into the vid.


The comparison between Northern Hemisphere snow cover this year vs last year is especially interesting.


Now I certainly make no claims to be an expert, but if Weatherbell's prediction of blocking over the Canadian high arctic pans out I find it difficult to believe model suggestions we're going to have a mild winter over here, although I suppose it comes down to where the polar vortex is ultimately displaced to..


Joe always was a cold ramper.


http://www.weatherbell.com/saturday-summary-october-25-2014


 


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


What about UK!?!??


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KevBrads1
27 October 2014 06:18:16


 I cannot see a cold winter developing after the run of mild months we've had and the SSTs are around 16 locally compared to the LTA of 13-12 c.


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Cast your mind back to 1990 and 1995? A long run of above average months and the following winters were? Cold.


Infact,  the second half of February to early December 2009 was largely above average and look at that following winter.


Not saying next winter will be cold but a long run of above average months will not prevent a cold winter as the above examples show.


 


 


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Whether Idle
27 October 2014 06:41:03



 I cannot see a cold winter developing after the run of mild months we've had and the SSTs are around 16 locally compared to the LTA of 13-12 c.


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


Cast your mind back to 1990 and 1995? A long run of above average months and the following winters were? Cold.


Infact,  the second half of February to early December 2009 was largely above average and look at that following winter.


Not saying next winter will be cold but a long run of above average months will not prevent a cold winter as the above examples show.


 

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


i know it's not impossible, just IMHO improbable. 


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some faraway beach
27 October 2014 08:13:44
Every single run of above-average months will not just probably, but definitely, be followed by a run of below-average months.

The trick is identifying how and when the changeover occurs. But if you believe that above-average months are probably going to be followed by further above-average months, then logically the UK would be an out-of-control sauna.


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Solar Cycles
27 October 2014 08:27:26




 I cannot see a cold winter developing after the run of mild months we've had and the SSTs are around 16 locally compared to the LTA of 13-12 c.


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Cast your mind back to 1990 and 1995? A long run of above average months and the following winters were? Cold.


Infact,  the second half of February to early December 2009 was largely above average and look at that following winter.


Not saying next winter will be cold but a long run of above average months will not prevent a cold winter as the above examples show.


 

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


i know it's not impossible, just IMHO improbable. 


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 

A certain Ian Brown once thought we'd never see a cold winter again.


Kev is right though just because we've had a run of above average months doesn't mean it will continue this coming winter, of course it may well do but you can't rely on what's happened in the run up as a set in stone forecast for the future. Unless your a climate scientist of course.

Brian Gaze
27 October 2014 11:00:25

CPF updated and although it offers a few crumbs of comfort for coldies later on it favours a mild Nov, Dec and Jan.


http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/media/pdf/6/o/A3_plots-temp-NDJ.pdf


So it's the CPF v OPI! 


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