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GIBBY
23 October 2014 07:36:33

Hi folks. Here's today's report which mentions a lot more mild SW winds to come and a hint of something stormy from GFS.


http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/NEW-Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


 


Edit 09:30 A most uninspiring ECM 10 Day Mean Chart too today if it's cold your looking for.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


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some faraway beach
23 October 2014 08:57:06
I guess with the polar vortex not getting itself organized in October, then we'll see it do so in November. It's there at the end of the GFS run on 7 Nov:

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=384&mode=0&carte=1 

So perhaps we'll see October-style weather for November. Then, if the October Pattern Index theory holds up, colder and blockier weather over winter, after the effects of the patterns which are delaying the formation of the polar vortex this month have worked their way upwards into the atmosphere and northwards into the Arctic.
2 miles west of Taunton, 32 m asl, where "milder air moving in from the west" becomes SNOWMAGEDDON.
Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.
Jonesy
23 October 2014 09:36:16

I guess with the polar vortex not getting itself organized in October, then we'll see it do so in November. It's there at the end of the GFS run on 7 Nov:

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=384&mode=0&carte=1

So perhaps we'll see October-style weather for November. Then, if the October Pattern Index theory holds up, colder and blockier weather over winter, after the effects of the patterns which are delaying the formation of the polar vortex this month have worked their way upwards into the atmosphere and northwards into the Arctic.

Originally Posted by: some faraway beach 


Then we should see our White Christmas about the end of January...When proper winter weather kicks in laughing


( Sorry for off topic post )


...It's times like this when I wish this place had a ramp & rant MOD thread LOL...I don't have the knowledge to contribute with regards the charts laughingtongue-outwink


 


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Stormchaser
23 October 2014 10:43:16



ECM charts not updated on the TWO viewer...


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


They're available on the new server now (same urls) and should be a tad smoother to view. I've also made some changes to the GFS charts and GEFS charts and will make more in the next few days.


 

Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


Cheers Brian, charts looking mighty fine this morning, I'm growing fond of the colour set used and the orientation of the maps 


 


No chart available for the selected hour. Many charts start at 3 hours ahead, so if you have 0 hours selected try stepping forward or selecting a later hour.  No chart available for the selected hour. Many charts start at 3 hours ahead, so if you have 0 hours selected try stepping forward or selecting a later hour.


The models have changed their minds yet again regarding what happens with a disturbance to our SW Tue-Wed next week 


We now see minimal development from ECM, while GFS has it being scooped up by the broad Atlantic trough and lifted out quickly, rather than developing into a well defined low pressure system of its own, as was being shown on yesterdays 12z op runs by both GFS and ECM.


This means that the Euro ridge is able to keep influencing our weather for a fair bit longer than was looking to be the case, with GFS still having it in play on day 8:


No chart available for the selected hour. Many charts start at 3 hours ahead, so if you have 0 hours selected try stepping forward or selecting a later hour.


Maximums are in the mid to high teens most days with low to mid teens minimums, all depending on cloud cover and wind speed as usual.


This is based on the 06z run, which is just a little more amplified than the 00z run, that acting to prolong the Euro-ridge influence a bit further than the 00z showed. This may also help to avoid setting up a westerly flow reaching right across Asia, which the 00z showed, much to the horror of those admiring the currently impressive snow cover build-up over there.


ECM is even more amplified with the flow, which allows the cold over Asia to put up more of a fight, while also keeping the UK on the western flank of the Euro-ridge, conditions looking a bit stagnant really, which is not something I tend to associate with the start of November:


No chart available for the selected hour. Many charts start at 3 hours ahead, so if you have 0 hours selected try stepping forward or selecting a later hour. 


 


If we could one day soon get that Euro-ridge to rise the high latitudes, we could have a very different flavour of weather on our hands! Just a feat of the imagination at this point, I'm afraid.


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Jonesy
23 October 2014 11:01:10

Have heard/read elsewhere about the data receiving issues that are affecting the snow and ice measurement values and GFS are also affecting the ECM...


...So not sure if you can trust at the moment ...perhaps those more knowledgable can expand on this undecided


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Polar Low
23 October 2014 11:05:59

ukmo does not agree with that James and has the best record fro a while at t120-t144 very interesting it could be a major coup for her again.


sends energy diving with its jet to our s/w


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?carte=1021&ech=120&nh=1&archive=0


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?nh=1&ech=144&carte=1021


almost an easterly outbreak there later on.


 





ECM charts not updated on the TWO viewer...


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


They're available on the new server now (same urls) and should be a tad smoother to view. I've also made some changes to the GFS charts and GEFS charts and will make more in the next few days.


 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Cheers Brian, charts looking mighty fine this morning, I'm growing fond of the colour set used and the orientation of the maps 


 


No chart available for the selected hour. Many charts start at 3 hours ahead, so if you have 0 hours selected try stepping forward or selecting a later hour.  No chart available for the selected hour. Many charts start at 3 hours ahead, so if you have 0 hours selected try stepping forward or selecting a later hour.


The models have changed their minds yet again regarding what happens with a disturbance to our SW Tue-Wed next week 


We now see minimal development from ECM, while GFS has it being scooped up by the broad Atlantic trough and lifted out quickly, rather than developing into a well defined low pressure system of its own, as was being shown on yesterdays 12z op runs by both GFS and ECM.


This means that the Euro ridge is able to keep influencing our weather for a fair bit longer than was looking to be the case, with GFS still having it in play on day 8:


No chart available for the selected hour. Many charts start at 3 hours ahead, so if you have 0 hours selected try stepping forward or selecting a later hour.


Maximums are in the mid to high teens most days with low to mid teens minimums, all depending on cloud cover and wind speed as usual.


This is based on the 06z run, which is just a little more amplified than the 00z run, that acting to prolong the Euro-ridge influence a bit further than the 00z showed. This may also help to avoid setting up a westerly flow reaching right across Asia, which the 00z showed, much to the horror of those admiring the currently impressive snow cover build-up over there.


ECM is even more amplified with the flow, which allows the cold over Asia to put up more of a fight, while also keeping the UK on the western flank of the Euro-ridge, conditions looking a bit stagnant really, which is not something I tend to associate with the start of November:


No chart available for the selected hour. Many charts start at 3 hours ahead, so if you have 0 hours selected try stepping forward or selecting a later hour. 


 


If we could one day soon get that Euro-ridge to rise the high latitudes, we could have a very different flavour of weather on our hands! Just a feat of the imagination at this point, I'm afraid.


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 

Brian Gaze
23 October 2014 12:42:28


ukmo does not agree with that James and has the best record fro a while at t120-t144 very interesting it could be a major coup for her again.


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Does it?


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS/html/new_acz5.html
http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS/html/new_acz6.html


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day5_HGT_P250_G2NHX.png
http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day6_HGT_P500_G2NHX.png


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Brian Gaze
23 October 2014 13:24:29

I've just made available a number of international locations on the GEFS (1 deg rather than 2.5 deg suite) chart viewer, see screenshot: 



 


Producing these is quite resource intensive but I've not got 8 cores on the case rather than 1 so adding in more won't be a problem.


http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/datmdlout.aspx


 


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nickl
23 October 2014 19:55:09



ukmo does not agree with that James and has the best record fro a while at t120-t144 very interesting it could be a major coup for her again.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Does it?


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS/html/new_acz5.html
http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS/html/new_acz6.html


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day5_HGT_P250_G2NHX.png
http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day6_HGT_P500_G2NHX.png


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


note that the new gfs (PRHW14) is better than the current gfs but still well below the ecm/ukmo stats

Polar Low
23 October 2014 20:03:37

Apologies Brian got that bit wrong ,its just when I have looked over the last few months it seemed the case.


anyway this is a good link I look at as well while we are talking about it


http://apps.ecmwf.int/wmolcdnv/scores/mean/msl


look down left hand side for each menu


 


 





ukmo does not agree with that James and has the best record fro a while at t120-t144 very interesting it could be a major coup for her again.


Originally Posted by: nickl 


Does it?


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS/html/new_acz5.html
http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS/html/new_acz6.html


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day5_HGT_P250_G2NHX.png
http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day6_HGT_P500_G2NHX.png


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


note that the new gfs (PRHW14) is better than the current gfs but still well below the ecm/ukmo stats


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

GIBBY
24 October 2014 07:40:30

Server problems on my website this morning means you can read my report here for a change. Apologies for the formatting.


HERE IS MY LATEST ANALYSIS FROM THE OUTPUTS OF THE WEATHER COMPUTER PREDICTION MODELS FOR TWO WEEKS FROM 8AM TODAY FRIDAY OCTOBER 24TH 2014.


 


NEXT UPDATE SATURDAY OCTOBER 25TH 08:00


 


The General Synopsis. Troughs of Low pressure will clear slowly away East across Southern Britain today with


further showery troughs in the NW blown in on very strong WSW winds.


 


Two Week Headline. Mostly mild and changeable with rain at times especially in the North and West but with some short drier and brighter spells too especially in the South.


 


The Jet Stream Forecast. The overall thrust of the Jet Stream over the coming two weeks continues to blow strongly


from the West or SW across the Atlantic and the North of the UK for the foreseeable future.


 


GFS Operational. Todays operational run shows mild SW winds largely in control over the UK over the coming week


with a weakening of the flow for a time midweek as a decaying cold front slips SE over the UK. Some rain is likely


for all as this change takes place with cooler conditions following on. However, by next weekend more Atlantic


depressions re-invigorate energy from the SW with mild weather returning with rain towards the NW. Through Week 2 the


trend is for a greater chance of cooler and more settled weather to slowly develop as higher pressure develops


across the UK with mist and fog developing widely at night, probably slow to clear by day by the end of the run as


winds fall light.


 


GFS Ensembles. The GFS Ensembles are relentless in maintaining winds from a West or SW direction throughout the


run this morning as the status quo of Low pressure to the North and NW and High to the South and SE persists. As a


result the theme remains for generally mild and somewhat unsettled weather with the majority of rain and wind


towards the North and West while the South and East sees decent dry and at times bright spells.


 


UKMO. UKMO today shows a spell of slack winds towards midweek as a cold front clears SE. Rain would give way to


fine and bright weather with mist and fog in places before mild South or SW winds pick up again later in the week


with rain once more focused towards the Northwest.


 


GEM. GEM today shows a mild SW flow backing Southerly later next week as a large Atlantic low becomes dominant.


With time this is shown to extend further East and NE towards West and NW Britain with all areas becoming under


increasing risk of rain and showers, heavy at times in mild SW winds.


 


NAVGEM. NAVGEM shows a quieter period midweek as High pressure develops following a trough SE. Early rain clears


to leave a dry and bright couple of days with cooler temperatures and overnight mists and fog. Thereafter a large


Atlantic depression inches in closer to the UK strengthening the mild Southerly flow and delivering rain at times


to most parts by next weekend.


 


ECM. ECM follows this general theme as well with increasingly unsettled weather for all areas and not just the NW


following the quieter period midweek when cooler weather could generate decent days but foggy nights for a time


before the milder, unsettled and breezier weather returns later. There remains a hint of a pattern change right at


the end of this run with much colder air waiting in the wings to the NW under higher pressure in the days that


follow the end of the run.


 


MY THOUGHTS. October is certainly going to end up a very much milder month than average, something which has been


all very common through this year. In the coming few weeks the weather largely remains Atlantic based with High


pressure to the SE and Low to the North and NW maintaining a broad scale North/South split in the weather. However,


nothing in model analysis is as straightforward as that and there are a couple of intervals in this pattern when


there is scope for something a little cooler. One such occasion is towards the middle of next week when a weakish


area of High pressure could deliver a couple of cooler more quiescent Autumn days with a fog risk at night


following a weakening cold front SE. Then as usual other chinks in this basic pattern appear far out in la la land


with ECM the cream of the crop on Day 10 where Low pressure looks like eventually edging away to the East in the


days that follow the run and allowing the chance of colder air from Iceland and the Arctic to drift down across


the UK under rising pressure. However, having mentioned that it again is just one run in isolation and I see


nothing in any ensemble data and Jet Stream prognosis to suggest that anything other that the large percentage of


the next few weeks will remain mild and benign with the most rain and wind from autumnal Low pressure focused


greatest towards the North and West while Southern and Eastern parts in particular see plenty of dry and bright


weather with only more occasional lighter rainfall at times.


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Stormchaser
24 October 2014 09:04:50

Some exceptionally warm conditions for the time of year being modeled for Monday-Friday next week:


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I should point out that on other sites Monday's 2m max temps are closer to Tuesday's, not sure why it's different in the TWO viewer. Tuesday looks the same as elsewhere. Friday is very similar to the preceding two days.


Anyway, high teens is quite special this late in the year, particularly away from the south as looks likely on not one, not two, but three to five days running next week - and this is well supported by the ECM charts, though they might be bringing the breakdown through earlier on Friday... which would be typical as that's my birthday!


Not only are the days warm, but the nights look to be holding up in double figures quite widely thanks to a bit of a breeze from the SW. To top it all off, it looks like staying largely dry for most until Friday or Saturday.


More typical of early May than the final days of October cool    If only it wasn't during the working week yellfoot-in-mouth


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Charmhills
24 October 2014 09:11:13

I suppose it keeps the heating off for a while yet anyway.


Plenty of time for cold.


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Stormchaser
24 October 2014 09:18:53

Now for a brief look at the longer range prospects.


Just beyond higher-res, in the 8-12 day timeframe, there's an attempt to organise the PV - see those purple colours indicating low heights, and how close they are to combining into one strong feature:


No chart available for the selected hour. Many charts start at 3 hours ahead, so if you have 0 hours selected try stepping forward or selecting a later hour.


...but it doesn't manage to do so, with the main vortex ending up displaced to Siberia by day 14:


No chart available for the selected hour. Many charts start at 3 hours ahead, so if you have 0 hours selected try stepping forward or selecting a later hour.


At this time of year, I consider a lack of drive to organise the PV a promising sign for avoiding an Atlantic train during at least the early stages of the winter, particularly when it's GFS being looked at!


- but you haven't seen anything yet; ECM blows GFS out of the water for interesting Arctic developments:


No chart available for the selected hour. Many charts start at 3 hours ahead, so if you have 0 hours selected try stepping forward or selecting a later hour.


For some reason the heights across the pole and Greenland are much higher than GFS has from as early as day 6, and this has a big impact on the PV evolution:


No chart available for the selected hour. Many charts start at 3 hours ahead, so if you have 0 hours selected try stepping forward or selecting a later hour.


Low heights don't get anywhere near the pole, and instead a large low pressure complex sets up from Scandinavia to Siberia. This then works in combination with the Arctic ridge to drive a 'bowling ball' of deep cold westward through Svalbard. With the Atlantic walled off by a mid-Atlantic ridge and supported by strong warm air advection up its western side, I daresay that cold is on route for somewhere near or over the UK:


No chart available for the selected hour. Many charts start at 3 hours ahead, so if you have 0 hours selected try stepping forward or selecting a later hour.


Maybe this is just one of those notorious over-the-top ECM runs. At day 6, UKMO lies between ECM and GFS, so there's a degree of support but nothing remotely concrete at the moment.


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Rob K
24 October 2014 09:20:17


Some exceptionally warm conditions for the time of year being modeled for Monday-Friday next week:


No chart available for the selected hour. Many charts start at 3 hours ahead, so if you have 0 hours selected try stepping forward or selecting a later hour.  No chart available for the selected hour. Many charts start at 3 hours ahead, so if you have 0 hours selected try stepping forward or selecting a later hour.


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I should point out that on other sites Monday's 2m max temps are closer to Tuesday's, not sure why it's different in the TWO viewer. Tuesday looks the same as elsewhere. Friday is very similar to the preceding two days.


Anyway, high teens is quite special this late in the year, particularly away from the south as looks likely on not one, not two, but three to five days running next week - and this is well supported by the ECM charts, though they might be bringing the breakdown through earlier on Friday... which would be typical as that's my birthday!


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


Potential for a date record or two there, perhaps.


Oct 28 record is 20.6C (1958), Oct 29 is just 19.2C (1984) according to http://torro.org.uk/site/hightempsyear.php


(Oct 29 is the earliest date of the autumn on which 20C has never been recorded, dull trivia fans!)


 


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Scandy 1050 MB
24 October 2014 09:35:11


Now for a brief look at the longer range prospects.


Just beyond higher-res, in the 8-12 day timeframe, there's an attempt to organise the PV - see those purple colours indicating low heights, and how close they are to combining into one strong feature:


No chart available for the selected hour. Many charts start at 3 hours ahead, so if you have 0 hours selected try stepping forward or selecting a later hour.


...but it doesn't manage to do so, with the main vortex ending up displaced to Siberia by day 14:


No chart available for the selected hour. Many charts start at 3 hours ahead, so if you have 0 hours selected try stepping forward or selecting a later hour.


At this time of year, I consider a lack of drive to organise the PV a promising sign for avoiding an Atlantic train during at least the early stages of the winter, particularly when it's GFS being looked at!


- but you haven't seen anything yet; ECM blows GFS out of the water for interesting Arctic developments:


No chart available for the selected hour. Many charts start at 3 hours ahead, so if you have 0 hours selected try stepping forward or selecting a later hour.


For some reason the heights across the pole and Greenland are much higher than GFS has from as early as day 6, and this has a big impact on the PV evolution:


No chart available for the selected hour. Many charts start at 3 hours ahead, so if you have 0 hours selected try stepping forward or selecting a later hour.


Low heights don't get anywhere near the pole, and instead a large low pressure complex sets up from Scandinavia to Siberia. This then works in combination with the Arctic ridge to drive a 'bowling ball' of deep cold westward through Svalbard. With the Atlantic walled off by a mid-Atlantic ridge and supported by strong warm air advection up its western side, I daresay that cold is on route for somewhere near or over the UK:


No chart available for the selected hour. Many charts start at 3 hours ahead, so if you have 0 hours selected try stepping forward or selecting a later hour.


Maybe this is just one of those notorious over-the-top ECM runs. At day 6, UKMO lies between ECM and GFS, so there's a degree of support but nothing remotely concrete at the moment.


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


Great post - does look interesting that the PV is having trouble getting organised, combine that with the expected negative OPI at the end of this month and the El nino finally getting going (judging by the recent exceptionally negative SOI figures), this winter may have some interesting cold spells on offer at times.  Does look very mild for the time of year next week though so could have an impact on the October CET if the nights are warm too.


 

Gavin P
24 October 2014 14:00:40

Loving your work SC!


Here's today's video update:


Any Signs Of Cold Weather In November?


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


It's the month-ahead look-ahead with JMA Friday.


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Gooner
24 October 2014 16:21:50


Loving your SC!


Here's today's video update:


Any Signs Of Cold Weather In November?


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


It's the month-ahead look-ahead with JMA Friday.


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Cheers Gavin


Let's hope December starts to show some signs of cold


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24 October 2014 16:48:03

Closing this one shortly..................


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