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idj20
08 November 2014 16:27:06



Looks a bit better compared to the 6z


Originally Posted by: Gooner 



Going off topic again by me, but have you noticed how it has that "Mandelbrot Fractal" symmetrical look about it.


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Jive Buddy
08 November 2014 16:29:57




Looks a bit better compared to the 6z


Originally Posted by: idj20 



Going off topic again by me, but have you noticed how it has that "Mandelbrot Fractal" symmetrical look about it.


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


I think it looks more like card number three, from the Rawshank series that tests for obsessive compulsiveness....or a squashed tropical butterfly....but that's just me


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Stormchaser
08 November 2014 16:43:51


Impressive Arctic High on the 12z GFSP op with a strong ridge to Greenland from Scandi too. Close to the ECM 00z though not as high in magnitude.


The 12z GFS op doesn't smell the coffee. Never mind - I'd rather have the upgraded version and ECM in agreement than the old version and ECM in agreement 


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Quantum
08 November 2014 16:52:33

The 12Z manages to get some height rise over greenland so it is a lot more favourable.


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Matty H
08 November 2014 16:57:08


Hi Ian, my observations of the EPS is that because of their lower resolution they are 24 hours late to the operational party.


 


I would say 75% odds on favourite for a block to the NE, 50/50 the cold getting to us.... either way it certainly looks a lot better than last year!
S


 


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Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Steve always backs the cold horse. 


 


Time will tell. 


Gooner
08 November 2014 17:00:55



Hi Ian, my observations of the EPS is that because of their lower resolution they are 24 hours late to the operational party.


 


I would say 75% odds on favourite for a block to the NE, 50/50 the cold getting to us.... either way it certainly looks a lot better than last year!
S


 


Our friend Mr Murr's reply to Fergie


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Steve always backs the cold horse. 


 


Time will tell. 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


It will


And yes he does


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Gooner
08 November 2014 17:30:21

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/run/gensnh-4-1-240.png?12


P4 will do


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Brian Gaze
08 November 2014 17:59:26

GEFS12z almost complete:


http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/datmdlout.aspx


You'd be very brave to call an extended cold spell based on these. Yes there interest and the probability of a cold outbreak is higher than average at this time of year. Does that make it the most likely outcome? No.


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Quantum
08 November 2014 18:05:11


GEFS12z almost complete:


http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/datmdlout.aspx


You'd be very brave to call an extended cold spell based on these. Yes there interest and the probability of a cold outbreak is higher than average at this time of year. Does that make it the most likely outcome? No.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


One point; exactly how useful are North easterlies in late november anyway? 2010 aside is it even cold enough yet to get wintry weather, it would be all rather pointless if we end up with northern blocking with fog, low cloud and sleetiness over the hills. 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gooner
08 November 2014 18:26:54



GEFS12z almost complete:


http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/datmdlout.aspx


You'd be very brave to call an extended cold spell based on these. Yes there interest and the probability of a cold outbreak is higher than average at this time of year. Does that make it the most likely outcome? No.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


One point; exactly how useful are North easterlies in late november anyway? 2010 aside is it even cold enough yet to get wintry weather, it would be all rather pointless if we end up with northern blocking with fog, low cloud and sleetiness over the hills. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Today isn't cold enough of course Q, in 10 days it might be , Northerlies, NElies, Ely can all bring snow in November , if the air is cold enough it can snow


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Gooner
08 November 2014 18:30:24


HP building over Greenland nicely


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Quantum
08 November 2014 18:33:45




GEFS12z almost complete:


http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/datmdlout.aspx


You'd be very brave to call an extended cold spell based on these. Yes there interest and the probability of a cold outbreak is higher than average at this time of year. Does that make it the most likely outcome? No.


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


One point; exactly how useful are North easterlies in late november anyway? 2010 aside is it even cold enough yet to get wintry weather, it would be all rather pointless if we end up with northern blocking with fog, low cloud and sleetiness over the hills. 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Today isn't cold enough of course Q, in 10 days it might be , Northerlies, NElies, Ely can all bring snow in November , if the air is cold enough it can snow


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Yeh but for winds that have a high easterly component isn't it far more difficult compared to mid or late winter. And even a small southerly component could be very miserable. This is probably jumping the gun, we need to get the blocking first.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
08 November 2014 18:35:11



HP building over Greenland nicely


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Look how far inland the 552 isopleth is. We actually have heights in excess of 5600m which is promising. My prediction: This ECM run is going to be the wintriest so far, and may cause excitment. 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gooner
08 November 2014 18:39:18


ECM still very keen on Northern blocking


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Gooner
08 November 2014 18:41:27


The cold air is in touching distance of the UK


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Gooner
08 November 2014 18:43:15

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014110812/ECH1-192.GIF?08-0


Easterlies arrive


 


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Quantum
08 November 2014 18:43:36

This has so much potential:



A 'slicer' low north of Svalbard, chops the ridge in half and introduces frigidly cold arctic air. 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
JACKO4EVER
08 November 2014 18:45:58



GEFS12z almost complete:


http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/datmdlout.aspx


You'd be very brave to call an extended cold spell based on these. Yes there interest and the probability of a cold outbreak is higher than average at this time of year. Does that make it the most likely outcome? No.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


One point; exactly how useful are North easterlies in late november anyway? 2010 aside is it even cold enough yet to get wintry weather, it would be all rather pointless if we end up with northern blocking with fog, low cloud and sleetiness over the hills. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


its about more than the entire last winter could provide Q so it might make things seem a little more seasonal. Anyway, as far as I can see we have a lot of weather including plenty of rain to get through before any of this comes along, and I am not too sure wether it will come to fruition anyway.

Quantum
08 November 2014 18:50:41

And there goes the slicer low:



This is in stark contrast to model runs earlier in the week. This would give a NAO probably of -3 or lower!


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gooner
08 November 2014 18:51:58

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014110812/ECH1-216.GIF?08-0


A mad run from ECM, saw nothing like this from the charts last Winter


 


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Quantum
08 November 2014 18:55:04


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014110812/ECH1-216.GIF?08-0


A mad run from ECM, saw nothing like this from the charts last Winter


 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Its essentially a perfect run, a dominant greenland high, a far southern jet and no Azores high. This sort of setup gives winds that oscillate between North and East, its vastly superior to a siberian or scandi high.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gooner
08 November 2014 18:55:59



http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014110812/ECH1-216.GIF?08-0


A mad run from ECM, saw nothing like this from the charts last Winter


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Its essentially a perfect run, a dominant greenland high, a far southern jet and no Azores high. This sort of setup gives winds that oscillate between North and East, its vastly superior to a siberian or scandi high.


 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Far too good to be true though


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Quantum
08 November 2014 18:57:06

In other news: the dipole on the other side of the arctic keeps getting stronger and stronger. 



2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
SEMerc
08 November 2014 18:57:13

Yep, definitely a run to wet my whistle. I think there's more in that run than what I saw the entire winter last year.


Uppers are still too high darn 'sarf, but certainly good enough oop north.

Gooner
08 November 2014 18:57:40


Stunning , look at that block


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