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jondg14
08 November 2014 23:23:20


Can anyone provide links or info on the ECM ensembles? The KMNI graph seems to be stuck on the last 00Z output


Originally Posted by: ITSY 


Here are the 2m temps... http://www.weathercast.co.uk/services/ensemble-forecast.html

Tom Oxon
08 November 2014 23:30:49
Certainly the 8-10 ens means across the US and EU models do support -AO and -NAO conditions in the mid term timefarme:

http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~gadomski/ECMWF_0z/test8.gif 

http://mp1.met.psu.edu/~fxg1/ECMWF_12z/test8.gif 

It is also evident that the 12z output is less keen on its amplitude and the buckling of the jet southwards. My favoured prognosis in the mid term would be -AO but weak -NAO conditions based on comparing run on runs 0z-0z, 12z-12z in the past 3-4 days... meaning for the British isle a jet passing slightly south bringing us a lot of wet weather, temperatures around average but some 'mild' nights where front systems pass through overnight. Possible indication that a weakly +ve CET will lead us into the latter part of the month. We could take a tumble here with a bucklling of the jet injecting enery northwards to the GIN thereby putting us on the cold side of a quick trough (simply put - northerly).

From the East I don't see anything this side of December, the CAA simply is not present for the East at this time, with time the continued presence of the -AO will feed greater interest in a cold outbreak.
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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
08 November 2014 23:36:55

Today UKMO and GFS maintain that Winds will stay either Southerly or Southwesterly, with bands of heavy rain regularly giving way to blustery heavy showers with thunder and hail as well, winds will often be Moderate to Very Strong at times and A large North Atlantic Storm Polar Vortex Low will be in Control of what happens for many in the UK.


With less cold temperatures especially night time with Average Temps. by the daytimes maybe a bit less mild at times ahem.


Large Arctic Greenland High with A Polar Arctic Low in NE Norwegian Sea drag lot of cold air SE in NW Russia, Finland.


Areas of Low P. Also crop up in Southern Europe too.


<< Update is for Monday to Friday next Week >>.


How our Weather Changes due to El Niño and La Nina's is very much a thing and so are the effects of Low Solar Activity and High Solar Activity.


This current SYNOPSIS Analysing period is quite a showpiece- Behold Cold Arctic Sea and North Atlantic PV. The weird and wonderful ideas are pretty good for this N O V E M B E R  M O N T H   


Of 2014, Winter 2013/14 wet and with windy and near to slightly above Temps. Then Lots of Warm and Dry weather March 2014 to July and then Septrmber and October all often dry and sunny with not that much wet weather.  August was very Cool and Wet month and October had some changes making it mixed with March to July very sunny dry warm very warm, and Bery warm at times September and October 2014 Very A M A Z I N G  Y E A R, Now this November 2014 a Dramatic swing in the UK North Atlantic Circulation  this C H I L L Y Average Temperature forecast will help the situation balance it out and about time we have some good chatter on Model Output Discussion- We have a Cold Greenland High and Cold N Atlantic with Major Cold Arctic Sea Storms to our NE in NE Norwegian Sea- plus what with more Cold SST Central NW Pacific and A big Post Hurricane Extra Tropical 924 mb's Low move east from


Mid to Far N and NW and NE Pacific Sea to Aleutians Islands and West SW Alaska this will give the Mid Lattitudes Jetstream Northern Hemisphere a good kick in with great changes to the weather we get from the North A T L A N T I C.  What's Up With That must say.


 


 


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
White Meadows
09 November 2014 08:20:33
Interesting trend showing up this morning on ecm and GFS also showing some sort of block extending over Iceland in about 7 days time.
These things tend to shift around a lot though and I'd say we're in for a dry UK high for 2nd half of the Month
GIBBY
09 November 2014 09:02:10

HERE IS MY LATEST EXTENDED SUNDAY ANALYSIS FROM THE OUTPUTS OF THE WEATHER COMPUTER PREDICTION MODELS FOR TWO WEEKS FROM 8AM TODAY SUNDAY NOVEMBER 9TH 2014.


NEXT UPDATE MONDAY NOVEMBER 10TH 08:00


THE CURRENT GENERAL SITUATION. A slack and cyclonic Westerly flow covers the UK today. Winds back Southerly and strengthen tomorrow as an active front edges slowly East across the UK.


MODELS-2 WEEK HEADLINE  Unsettled with rain at times across the British Isles with strong winds too and temperatures near to normal. perhaps becoming a little colder and drier from the North later.


THE JET STREAM ENSEMBLE FORECAST The GFS Jet Stream Ensemble forecast shows the flow continuing to be forced to a position to the South of Britain over the next week keeping the UK in a cyclonic flow. Later in the period the flow splits into two with a Northern and Southern arm, the latter weakening and ridging North over and around the British Isles later in Week 2 and linking with the Northern arm over Iceland and Northern Scandinavia.


GFS OPERATIONAL Today's GFS operational run shows the UK continue to see areas of Low pressure crossing the Atlantic and into the UK from the West where they become slow moving and fill slowly bbringing spells of rain, heavy at times along with strong winds in average temperatures. Through the period the desire to build pressure from the North remains and succeeds through week 2 with winds switching Easterly and bringing further rain at times to the South and drier conditions near High pressure close to the North later. Temperatures would probably fall to a little below average in this new setup.



THE GFS PARALLEL RUN The GFS Parallel run carries the same sequence of events though differs in Week 2 by collapsing High pressure to the North SE over Europe and cutting off any route to colder and prolonged drier conditions for the UK as well as bringing the UK back under attack of Atlantic Low pressure from the West and SW later with it's subsequent wind and rainfall.


THE GFS ENSEMBLES.  The GFS Ensembles are broadly similar in message with a wet first week under slow moving UK Low pressure being forced South in Week 2 in rising pressure from the North and NE with an ESE flow developing with drier and chillier weather as a result, chiefly in the North and East. Low pressure over the Atlantic will continue to run up against this block centred over Europe by then and keep the risk of rain and strong SE winds going for the South and West.



UKMO. UKMO today shows Low pressure deep and persistent out to the West and NW of the UK through this week with spells of rain and heavy, thundery showers going into next weekend in relatively mild conditions.


THE FAX CHARTS  The Fax Charts show a series of occlusions and showery troughs edging slowly East across the UK through this week each bringing their own variety of wind, rain and thundery showers across the UK all connected around deep Low pressure anchored to the West of Ireland.


GEM  GEM shows Low pressure in total control of the UK weather over the next week spinning in from the West towards SW Britain with heavy rain and showers at times as a result in average temperatures if not somewhat mild in places. Later on pressure rises over Northern Europe and a SE wind setsup with Low pressure then to the SW with further rain here at times while Northern and Eastern parts become drier and less mild.



NAVGEM NAVGEM keeps Low pressure in complete domination over the UK through next week with the main centre out to the NW next weekend with showers or longer spells of rain in relatively mild and strong South or SW winds for all as a result.


ECM  ECM this morning shows unsettled and relatively mild weather over the next week with rain and showers, heaviest and most prolific across Southern and Western areas. Over next weekend and the following week pressure is shown to rise to the North and NE with winds switxhing towards an Easterly point as well as being quite strong. Although feeling colder temperatures will only fall modestly and with Low pressure still entrained across the Atlantic to the South and SW further rain at times looks like it would edge up into Southern Britain at times too in the mostly cloudy flow.


THE ECM ENSEMBLES   The ensembles point to a continuation of broadly unsettled weather with rain at times across the UK in average temperatures and a SE flow as Low pressure continues to stretch from Southern Greenland to the SW of the UK. Some of the rain will be heavy and winds look like continuing quite strong at times. Pressure remains High to the NE of the UK at that time.


NOTABLE TREND CHANGES FROM PREVIOUS RUNS The trend today still shows a chance of High pressure developing to the North and NE bringing drier conditions to the North and East in Week 2 with slightly colder weather.


MY THOUGHTS  The synoptic pattern over the UK and surrounding waters remain very complex over the next few weeks. The UK remains in the firing line for deep Low pressure moving across the Atlantic and stalling near our shores through this week with rain and showers for all areas as a result and it will stay generally windy and relatively mild. I guess the interest for many occurs from around next weekend when pressure builds strongly to the North and NE of Britain and this theme is shared by all output. This then forces Low pressure out of Britain and to the South and SW with a SE or East flow likely to develop across the UK in some shape or form through week 2. This would normally introduce much colder and potentially wintry weather to the UK but this looks unlikely as Europe remains much milder than average and the orientation of such High pressure does not permit any interaction with cold Arctic air as things are shown currently plus of course we are still very early into the Winter Season. So due to all these factors the most likely pattern to evolve will be of a chillier East or SE wind bringing drier conditions to North and East Britain but with a lot of cloud and the brightest conditions towards areas such as West Scotland on the leeward side of high ground. It also looks like Low pressure will never be far away from the South and SW and the desire to pull this back across the UK late in the period is hinted at by some output and it maybe that Southern Britain remain unsettled with rain at times anyway. My own thoughts at the moment are that it looks unlikely that this pattern will evolve in such a way that brings cold weather to the UK on this occasion and could end up being just a cloudy and benign coolish period before the Atlantic wins back. Nevertheless, like last night's ECM operational showed there is always potential when the synoptics setup in the way and it only needs a change of orientation of the High and Low pressure features to change my opinion to something rather colder but I conclude that this is not shown this morning so I don't expect the Met Office to indicate any note of particular change in the mid range forecasts unless cross model support for something more wintry is shown consistently for several days at least and we're not even on the treadmill to that goal yet.


Martin G
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JACKO4EVER
09 November 2014 09:10:23
Plenty of wet weather this week to get through if current output verifies.
Great analysis Gibby!
Sevendust
09 November 2014 09:10:59
Thanks Martin - Excellent as usual
pnepaul
09 November 2014 09:18:06

Thanks Martin - yet another excellent analysis. 

David M Porter
09 November 2014 09:46:13





Okay, I admit that does have a lot of potential but it is 10 days away and possibly with limited support. At least it provides a spark of interest for those looking for something wintry!

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Its so different to the other runs this week I can't help thinking its an outlier, most of the other runs went for a -ve AO and +ve NAO which is why I didn't see much potential. This one went crazy negative on both! It has to be an outlier.... right?



Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Yes. 


 


Sort of off topic, but we don't need to lock topics at 20 pages anymore as we used to. Just in case anyone was wondering. 


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Should we mention the WOI too? 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Didn't the WOI go into receivership, or was that the MFI?


Looks like something or someone has hacked into the ECM server and corrupted the data feed for the second OP in a row.
Anyone seen Pressuti lately?


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Last I heard was that he'd moved down under to live in Australia. That was a few years ago now though.


Lenzie, Glasgow

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David M Porter
09 November 2014 09:47:13


HERE IS MY LATEST EXTENDED SUNDAY ANALYSIS FROM THE OUTPUTS OF THE WEATHER COMPUTER PREDICTION MODELS FOR TWO WEEKS FROM 8AM TODAY SUNDAY NOVEMBER 9TH 2014.


NEXT UPDATE MONDAY NOVEMBER 10TH 08:00


THE CURRENT GENERAL SITUATION. A slack and cyclonic Westerly flow covers the UK today. Winds back Southerly and strengthen tomorrow as an active front edges slowly East across the UK.


MODELS-2 WEEK HEADLINE  Unsettled with rain at times across the British Isles with strong winds too and temperatures near to normal. perhaps becoming a little colder and drier from the North later.


THE JET STREAM ENSEMBLE FORECAST The GFS Jet Stream Ensemble forecast shows the flow continuing to be forced to a position to the South of Britain over the next week keeping the UK in a cyclonic flow. Later in the period the flow splits into two with a Northern and Southern arm, the latter weakening and ridging North over and around the British Isles later in Week 2 and linking with the Northern arm over Iceland and Northern Scandinavia.


GFS OPERATIONAL Today's GFS operational run shows the UK continue to see areas of Low pressure crossing the Atlantic and into the UK from the West where they become slow moving and fill slowly bbringing spells of rain, heavy at times along with strong winds in average temperatures. Through the period the desire to build pressure from the North remains and succeeds through week 2 with winds switching Easterly and bringing further rain at times to the South and drier conditions near High pressure close to the North later. Temperatures would probably fall to a little below average in this new setup.



THE GFS PARALLEL RUN The GFS Parallel run carries the same sequence of events though differs in Week 2 by collapsing High pressure to the North SE over Europe and cutting off any route to colder and prolonged drier conditions for the UK as well as bringing the UK back under attack of Atlantic Low pressure from the West and SW later with it's subsequent wind and rainfall.


THE GFS ENSEMBLES.  The GFS Ensembles are broadly similar in message with a wet first week under slow moving UK Low pressure being forced South in Week 2 in rising pressure from the North and NE with an ESE flow developing with drier and chillier weather as a result, chiefly in the North and East. Low pressure over the Atlantic will continue to run up against this block centred over Europe by then and keep the risk of rain and strong SE winds going for the South and West.



UKMO. UKMO today shows Low pressure deep and persistent out to the West and NW of the UK through this week with spells of rain and heavy, thundery showers going into next weekend in relatively mild conditions.


THE FAX CHARTS  The Fax Charts show a series of occlusions and showery troughs edging slowly East across the UK through this week each bringing their own variety of wind, rain and thundery showers across the UK all connected around deep Low pressure anchored to the West of Ireland.


GEM  GEM shows Low pressure in total control of the UK weather over the next week spinning in from the West towards SW Britain with heavy rain and showers at times as a result in average temperatures if not somewhat mild in places. Later on pressure rises over Northern Europe and a SE wind setsup with Low pressure then to the SW with further rain here at times while Northern and Eastern parts become drier and less mild.



NAVGEM NAVGEM keeps Low pressure in complete domination over the UK through next week with the main centre out to the NW next weekend with showers or longer spells of rain in relatively mild and strong South or SW winds for all as a result.


ECM  ECM this morning shows unsettled and relatively mild weather over the next week with rain and showers, heaviest and most prolific across Southern and Western areas. Over next weekend and the following week pressure is shown to rise to the North and NE with winds switxhing towards an Easterly point as well as being quite strong. Although feeling colder temperatures will only fall modestly and with Low pressure still entrained across the Atlantic to the South and SW further rain at times looks like it would edge up into Southern Britain at times too in the mostly cloudy flow.


THE ECM ENSEMBLES   The ensembles point to a continuation of broadly unsettled weather with rain at times across the UK in average temperatures and a SE flow as Low pressure continues to stretch from Southern Greenland to the SW of the UK. Some of the rain will be heavy and winds look like continuing quite strong at times. Pressure remains High to the NE of the UK at that time.


NOTABLE TREND CHANGES FROM PREVIOUS RUNS The trend today still shows a chance of High pressure developing to the North and NE bringing drier conditions to the North and East in Week 2 with slightly colder weather.


MY THOUGHTS  The synoptic pattern over the UK and surrounding waters remain very complex over the next few weeks. The UK remains in the firing line for deep Low pressure moving across the Atlantic and stalling near our shores through this week with rain and showers for all areas as a result and it will stay generally windy and relatively mild. I guess the interest for many occurs from around next weekend when pressure builds strongly to the North and NE of Britain and this theme is shared by all output. This then forces Low pressure out of Britain and to the South and SW with a SE or East flow likely to develop across the UK in some shape or form through week 2. This would normally introduce much colder and potentially wintry weather to the UK but this looks unlikely as Europe remains much milder than average and the orientation of such High pressure does not permit any interaction with cold Arctic air as things are shown currently plus of course we are still very early into the Winter Season. So due to all these factors the most likely pattern to evolve will be of a chillier East or SE wind bringing drier conditions to North and East Britain but with a lot of cloud and the brightest conditions towards areas such as West Scotland on the leeward side of high ground. It also looks like Low pressure will never be far away from the South and SW and the desire to pull this back across the UK late in the period is hinted at by some output and it maybe that Southern Britain remain unsettled with rain at times anyway. My own thoughts at the moment are that it looks unlikely that this pattern will evolve in such a way that brings cold weather to the UK on this occasion and could end up being just a cloudy and benign coolish period before the Atlantic wins back. Nevertheless, like last night's ECM operational showed there is always potential when the synoptics setup in the way and it only needs a change of orientation of the High and Low pressure features to change my opinion to something rather colder but I conclude that this is not shown this morning so I don't expect the Met Office to indicate any note of particular change in the mid range forecasts unless cross model support for something more wintry is shown consistently for several days at least and we're not even on the treadmill to that goal yet.


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


Thanks as always, Martin.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
Hungry Tiger
09 November 2014 11:31:34



HERE IS MY LATEST EXTENDED SUNDAY ANALYSIS FROM THE OUTPUTS OF THE WEATHER COMPUTER PREDICTION MODELS FOR TWO WEEKS FROM 8AM TODAY SUNDAY NOVEMBER 9TH 2014.


NEXT UPDATE MONDAY NOVEMBER 10TH 08:00


THE CURRENT GENERAL SITUATION. A slack and cyclonic Westerly flow covers the UK today. Winds back Southerly and strengthen tomorrow as an active front edges slowly East across the UK.


MODELS-2 WEEK HEADLINE  Unsettled with rain at times across the British Isles with strong winds too and temperatures near to normal. perhaps becoming a little colder and drier from the North later.


THE JET STREAM ENSEMBLE FORECAST The GFS Jet Stream Ensemble forecast shows the flow continuing to be forced to a position to the South of Britain over the next week keeping the UK in a cyclonic flow. Later in the period the flow splits into two with a Northern and Southern arm, the latter weakening and ridging North over and around the British Isles later in Week 2 and linking with the Northern arm over Iceland and Northern Scandinavia.


GFS OPERATIONAL Today's GFS operational run shows the UK continue to see areas of Low pressure crossing the Atlantic and into the UK from the West where they become slow moving and fill slowly bbringing spells of rain, heavy at times along with strong winds in average temperatures. Through the period the desire to build pressure from the North remains and succeeds through week 2 with winds switching Easterly and bringing further rain at times to the South and drier conditions near High pressure close to the North later. Temperatures would probably fall to a little below average in this new setup.



THE GFS PARALLEL RUN The GFS Parallel run carries the same sequence of events though differs in Week 2 by collapsing High pressure to the North SE over Europe and cutting off any route to colder and prolonged drier conditions for the UK as well as bringing the UK back under attack of Atlantic Low pressure from the West and SW later with it's subsequent wind and rainfall.


THE GFS ENSEMBLES.  The GFS Ensembles are broadly similar in message with a wet first week under slow moving UK Low pressure being forced South in Week 2 in rising pressure from the North and NE with an ESE flow developing with drier and chillier weather as a result, chiefly in the North and East. Low pressure over the Atlantic will continue to run up against this block centred over Europe by then and keep the risk of rain and strong SE winds going for the South and West.



UKMO. UKMO today shows Low pressure deep and persistent out to the West and NW of the UK through this week with spells of rain and heavy, thundery showers going into next weekend in relatively mild conditions.


THE FAX CHARTS  The Fax Charts show a series of occlusions and showery troughs edging slowly East across the UK through this week each bringing their own variety of wind, rain and thundery showers across the UK all connected around deep Low pressure anchored to the West of Ireland.


GEM  GEM shows Low pressure in total control of the UK weather over the next week spinning in from the West towards SW Britain with heavy rain and showers at times as a result in average temperatures if not somewhat mild in places. Later on pressure rises over Northern Europe and a SE wind setsup with Low pressure then to the SW with further rain here at times while Northern and Eastern parts become drier and less mild.



NAVGEM NAVGEM keeps Low pressure in complete domination over the UK through next week with the main centre out to the NW next weekend with showers or longer spells of rain in relatively mild and strong South or SW winds for all as a result.


ECM  ECM this morning shows unsettled and relatively mild weather over the next week with rain and showers, heaviest and most prolific across Southern and Western areas. Over next weekend and the following week pressure is shown to rise to the North and NE with winds switxhing towards an Easterly point as well as being quite strong. Although feeling colder temperatures will only fall modestly and with Low pressure still entrained across the Atlantic to the South and SW further rain at times looks like it would edge up into Southern Britain at times too in the mostly cloudy flow.


THE ECM ENSEMBLES   The ensembles point to a continuation of broadly unsettled weather with rain at times across the UK in average temperatures and a SE flow as Low pressure continues to stretch from Southern Greenland to the SW of the UK. Some of the rain will be heavy and winds look like continuing quite strong at times. Pressure remains High to the NE of the UK at that time.


NOTABLE TREND CHANGES FROM PREVIOUS RUNS The trend today still shows a chance of High pressure developing to the North and NE bringing drier conditions to the North and East in Week 2 with slightly colder weather.


MY THOUGHTS  The synoptic pattern over the UK and surrounding waters remain very complex over the next few weeks. The UK remains in the firing line for deep Low pressure moving across the Atlantic and stalling near our shores through this week with rain and showers for all areas as a result and it will stay generally windy and relatively mild. I guess the interest for many occurs from around next weekend when pressure builds strongly to the North and NE of Britain and this theme is shared by all output. This then forces Low pressure out of Britain and to the South and SW with a SE or East flow likely to develop across the UK in some shape or form through week 2. This would normally introduce much colder and potentially wintry weather to the UK but this looks unlikely as Europe remains much milder than average and the orientation of such High pressure does not permit any interaction with cold Arctic air as things are shown currently plus of course we are still very early into the Winter Season. So due to all these factors the most likely pattern to evolve will be of a chillier East or SE wind bringing drier conditions to North and East Britain but with a lot of cloud and the brightest conditions towards areas such as West Scotland on the leeward side of high ground. It also looks like Low pressure will never be far away from the South and SW and the desire to pull this back across the UK late in the period is hinted at by some output and it maybe that Southern Britain remain unsettled with rain at times anyway. My own thoughts at the moment are that it looks unlikely that this pattern will evolve in such a way that brings cold weather to the UK on this occasion and could end up being just a cloudy and benign coolish period before the Atlantic wins back. Nevertheless, like last night's ECM operational showed there is always potential when the synoptics setup in the way and it only needs a change of orientation of the High and Low pressure features to change my opinion to something rather colder but I conclude that this is not shown this morning so I don't expect the Met Office to indicate any note of particular change in the mid range forecasts unless cross model support for something more wintry is shown consistently for several days at least and we're not even on the treadmill to that goal yet.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Thanks as always, Martin.


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


 Excellent description there.


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Phil G
09 November 2014 11:40:39
Charts are showing more potential further down the line and wouldn't take much tweaking for our first cold snap.
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3721.gif 

Personally for longetivity reasons, would rather wait a big longer until we are well into December for a cold spell which may be more sustained then.







glenogle
09 November 2014 12:23:54

Charts are showing more potential further down the line and wouldn't take much tweaking for our first cold snap.
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3721.gif

Personally for longetivity reasons, would rather wait a big longer until we are well into December for a cold spell which may be more sustained then.







Originally Posted by: Phil G 


In 2010 up here it started in November and ended in January.  We had 7 weeks of low level (100m asl here) snow cover.


Totally off topic, but i still think that the following winter will be "worse/better"  This is only based on the hurricane info i looked at last winter, and that winter panned out CET wise, generally as the numbers had indicated.  I'll see if i can find the info again and see what it pointed to for the early parts of this winter.  Anything i find will be put in the winter thread., as will this post.


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Brian Gaze
09 November 2014 12:28:45

Cold spell? No way Jose say the GEFS6z today with a warming trend possibly starting to appear after mid month.


 


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Russwirral
09 November 2014 12:47:06

Interesting trend showing up this morning on ecm and GFS also showing some sort of block extending over Iceland in about 7 days time.
These things tend to shift around a lot though and I'd say we're in for a dry UK high for 2nd half of the Month

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


 


wouldnt be surprised if this would be the eventual outcome, with Germany and Scandinavia getting the cold.   Quite a familiar setup for November.


Joe Bloggs
09 November 2014 13:04:17


Cold spell? No way Jose say the GEFS6z today with a warming trend possibly starting to appear after mid month.


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I have noticed a few of the recent GFS op runs have shown rather warm uppers moving in off the continent. A SE'ly flow, thanks to a large area of high pressure over Scandinavia. The angle of attack may be different but the trend is similar across the bulk of the NWP = a large block to our NE.


Whether this setup gives us any cold this month is anyone's guess, but I do think a more high pressure dominated second half of November is looking more and more likely. Dry and mild, or dry and cool/cold with winds from an easterly quarter. 



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Hendon Snowman
09 November 2014 13:58:18


Cold spell? No way Jose say the GEFS6z today with a warming trend possibly starting to appear after mid month.


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


Thats it then LOL

nickl
09 November 2014 14:33:19


Cold spell? No way Jose say the GEFS6z today with a warming trend possibly starting to appear after mid month.


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


you've lost me with the warming trend brian. the T2's show a gradual drop as would be expected as the month progresses. a few colder options through week 2 and some milder ones aswell,

nsrobins
09 November 2014 15:12:23



Cold spell? No way Jose say the GEFS6z today with a warming trend possibly starting to appear after mid month.


 


Originally Posted by: nickl 


you've lost me with the warming trend brian. the T2's show a gradual drop as would be expected as the month progresses. a few colder options through week 2 and some milder ones aswell,


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Indeed. Brian, are you looking at the same chart? The MEAN 850s are +5 on the 15th and down to +2 on the 21st, ending about the same.
Is this a warming trend?


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Brian Gaze
09 November 2014 15:34:13




Cold spell? No way Jose say the GEFS6z today with a warming trend possibly starting to appear after mid month.


 


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


you've lost me with the warming trend brian. the T2's show a gradual drop as would be expected as the month progresses. a few colder options through week 2 and some milder ones aswell,


Originally Posted by: nickl 


Indeed. Brian, are you looking at the same chart? The MEAN 850s are +5 on the 15th and down to +2 on the 21st, ending about the same.
Is this a warming trend?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


They are edging up from about 20/11. It's quite clear on the chart.


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Medlock Vale Weather
09 November 2014 15:45:58

Well it's still looking odds on for a bitterly cold spell of weather in the US Mid West, temps well below average and ice days likely by Thursday in Chicago. Certainly not a blink and you'll miss it cold spell either.





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nsrobins
09 November 2014 16:08:01

+





Cold spell? No way Jose say the GEFS6z today with a warming trend possibly starting to appear after mid month.


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


you've lost me with the warming trend brian. the T2's show a gradual drop as would be expected as the month progresses. a few colder options through week 2 and some milder ones aswell,


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Indeed. Brian, are you looking at the same chart? The MEAN 850s are +5 on the 15th and down to +2 on the 21st, ending about the same.
Is this a warming trend?


Originally Posted by: nickl 


They are edging up from about 20/11. It's quite clear on the chart.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I will have to assume you are referring to a different chart - I can't make any definitive conclusion on that one other than a fairly flat mean and some typical divergence late on.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Phil G
09 November 2014 16:37:37
Bit of a different end to the reliable on this run. More of a long fetch easterly and those temps of 7c here aren't too warm either.
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn19217.gif 
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1921.gif 

Joe Bloggs
09 November 2014 16:49:33
12z GFS = an utterly depressing set of charts for Eastern Scotland.

Interesting setup, but wet, cool and misty would sum things up for Aberdeen and Edinburgh.

Where's Richard? 😉

Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL

Brian Gaze
09 November 2014 17:00:46
GFS12z also showers uppers rising at the end of the run as low pressure spins up over the UK.
Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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