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Quantum
19 December 2014 14:19:38

So I've been working on a lot of pet projects recently. Here is one of them that I finally think is good enough to use.



For midnight tonight from the 0Z GFS (for some reason the 6Z GFS and the GFSP have all gone down - I really hope they fix this before the 12Z runs this evening). Low level snow probability forecasts, its based on a wide range of parameters incorporating the properties of the atmosphere generally below cloud level. It would work very poorly for American weather with their large upper warm layers but should do quite well for marginal situs in the UK, at least that's what I'm hoping.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Fothergill
19 December 2014 14:33:40

I think volatile and chaotic sums up the situation after Christmas. I think a lot of the uncertainty is linked to a possible rapidly bombing LP near/over us due to dramatically contrasting airmasses, with the meeting place possibly being Blighty.


These energetic bombing LPs can't be predicted with any accuracy at this range and the development or lack of may significantly alter the following weather. So I expect there'll be be several more days of uncertainty WRT a cold spell until we get into reasonable range.


Some of the bombs on the GEFS


 

Saint Snow
19 December 2014 14:39:53

Could be the kitchen sink given the potential for rapid cyclogenesis


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


 


Rapid cyclogenesis in sub -5c 850's and sub 528dam would be fun!


I do want to see a truly catastrophic snowfall event at some point in my life; national emergency and all that.



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Hungry Tiger
19 December 2014 14:45:25


 


 


Rapid cyclogenesis in sub -5c 850's and sub 528dam would be fun!


I do want to see a truly catastrophic snowfall event at some point in my life; national emergency and all that.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


There was one in the early 19th Century. January 1838 I think it was.


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hammer10
19 December 2014 14:49:50
I remember that in my last life .lol
Sevendust
19 December 2014 15:09:27

I remember that in my last life .lol

Originally Posted by: hammer10 


Gavin's old enough to remember it

David M Porter
19 December 2014 15:11:37


 


There was one in the early 19th Century. January 1838 I think it was.


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


Off-topic,  but in my opinion, one would almost be forgiven for thinking that catastrophic weather events happen regularly in this country, given the way the media seem to insist on sensationalising  bad weather & everything else these days. The stormy spell in the middle of last week is almost a case in point.


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Saint Snow
19 December 2014 15:21:44

I remember that in my last life .lol

Originally Posted by: hammer10 


 


Perchance did your last life happen to end in January 1838?


 




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Gavin P
19 December 2014 15:29:21

Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


Post Christmas Cold On A Knife Edge + JMA Friday;



So many questions, not many answers.


Rural West Northants 120m asl
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19 December 2014 15:32:19


 


Off-topic,  but in my opinion, one would almost be forgiven for thinking that catastrophic weather events happen regularly in this country, given the way the media seem to insist on sensationalising  bad weather & everything else these days. The stormy spell in the middle of last week is almost a case in point.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


 


Quite so David, that'll be the weather bomb that brought a massive 10 mm of rain and a strong breeze down here then. lol

Jonesy
19 December 2014 15:38:34

GEFS a blooming tease, wish it wouldn't give a snow risk till it at least passes 25% 


http://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?ext=1&x=306&y=141&ville=Londres


 


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Saint Snow
19 December 2014 15:56:36


GEFS a blooming tease, wish it wouldn't give a snow risk till it at least passes 25% 


http://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?ext=1&x=306&y=141&ville=Londres


 


Originally Posted by: Jonesy 


 


What's the link for the bit of Meteociel where you enter your location & it gives the ens?


(or, if I've imagined that function, would someone provide the link to the list of locations you can see the ens for)


 



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Medlock Vale Weather
19 December 2014 16:02:44


 


 


Rapid cyclogenesis in sub -5c 850's and sub 528dam would be fun!


I do want to see a truly catastrophic snowfall event at some point in my life; national emergency and all that.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Probably won't happen, a few yrs ago I remember Tomasz Schafernaker talking to a middle aged guy live in Braemar and Tomasz asked him what was the worst snow he's seen there and he said "about 2 feet"


I was quite surprised to be honest. I would have thought more than that.


I suppose 2 feet in NW England is catastrophic 


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Saint Snow
19 December 2014 16:05:30

Probably won't happen

Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 


 


I'm hoping for Yellowstone to blow




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RobN
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19 December 2014 16:09:41


 


 


What's the link for the bit of Meteociel where you enter your location & it gives the ens?


(or, if I've imagined that function, would someone provide the link to the list of locations you can see the ens for)


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs.php?carte=1


Rob
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JACKO4EVER
19 December 2014 16:11:05


I think volatile and chaotic sums up the situation after Christmas. I think a lot of the uncertainty is linked to a possible rapidly bombing LP near/over us due to dramatically contrasting airmasses, with the meeting place possibly being Blighty.


These energetic bombing LPs can't be predicted with any accuracy at this range and the development or lack of may significantly alter the following weather. So I expect there'll be be several more days of uncertainty WRT a cold spell until we get into reasonable range.


Some of the bombs on the GEFS


 


Originally Posted by: Fothergill 


i would expect a track slightly further north- these systems are usually slightly further north than originally progged. This could well affect any cold snap that may develop after- it's certainly on a knife edge. Let's hope it downgrades and just passes casually to the north. 

The Beast from the East
19 December 2014 16:14:15


 


 


Rapid cyclogenesis in sub -5c 850's and sub 528dam would be fun!


I do want to see a truly catastrophic snowfall event at some point in my life; national emergency and all that.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Yeah, as long as you are safely at home at the time. I remember December 1st 2010. I was stuck in a traffic jam for hours. Had to get out and piss in front of everyone. So embarrassing


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The Beast from the East
19 December 2014 16:16:07

http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2014121912/UW96-21.GIF?19-17


Crunch time approaching on UKMO


GFS similar to the 06z.


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The Beast from the East
19 December 2014 16:18:49

Knife edge. High pressure to south is still a real concern


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?ech=6&carte=1021


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Bugglesgate
19 December 2014 16:22:41


 


 


I'm hoping for Yellowstone to blow



Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


Yer, that would teach the "septics" ... oh wait !


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Stormchaser
19 December 2014 16:27:17

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014121912/gfsnh-0-162.png?12


Still almost identical to the 06z out to 162 hours which is remarkable considering the choas that was taking place yesterday evening through to this morning.


The main differences are that the U.S. low is deeper (but still with the same position and angle which is what really matters), and the shortwave coming along from the SW is a little slower so the resultant low after phasing with the one to the NW will have a different appearance.


 


 


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Stormchaser
19 December 2014 16:32:54

http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/archives/2014121912/UN144-21.GIF


UKMO has the shortwave to the NW already visible at day 6 so slightly faster than GFS.


Meanwhile the positioning of the U.S. low by UKMO is perhaps better for 'trapping' the blocking high over Greenland as a more east-based -ve NAO setup like yesterday's ECM 12z op run did... though with the risk of the low pushing through Greenland as per the ECM 00z op run.


Obviously that's as far as should really be read into that run given the uncertainties at play.


 


GFS is looking violent going into the 27th...


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Jonesy
19 December 2014 16:32:59

We may have to all go out to see around the UK at t240 on the 6z 


Modele GFS - Carte prévisions


 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs-para/royaume-uni/precipitations-hd/240h.htm


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Stormchaser
19 December 2014 16:36:37


OUCH.


Euro High starting to fade away - this could get even more interesting...


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Stormchaser
19 December 2014 16:39:23


Well that was a very dull GFS run! The -5C line doesn't reach the south coast until New Year, and indeed south of the Midlands stays in positive 850s for almost the whole run.


 


Calm and probably frosty for New Year's Eve, slowly giving way to SWerlies for the start of 2015.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


I'm thinking you just looked at an old run from yesterday or something...?


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014121912/gfs-0-204.png?12


-5*C and below across the whole UK by end of 28th and progressively colder going forward from there. In dramatic style too! 


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