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Russwirral
19 December 2014 16:42:01
Interestingly what we have lacked is a decent plunge of cold air. We have been looking to the north for the mechanism to drop the cold air over the UK, what now seems like we may be getting the cold air being drawn down by the deep LP after Xmas. Eroding the Euro HP in the process..


Rob K
19 December 2014 16:42:31


 


I'm thinking you just looked at an old run from yesterday or something...?


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014121912/gfs-0-204.png?12


-5*C and below across the whole UK by end of 28th and progressively colder going forward from there. In dramatic style too! 


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


 


Yes, caching problems - post deleted! 


 


Looks like quite a vicious low bringing cold weather down the country ahead of tthe Monday return to work. Could be some serious snowfall in the north from that sort of set-up, even maybe temporary accumulations further south.


 


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Whiteout
19 December 2014 16:42:40

Interesting indeed:


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014121912/gfs-0-204.png?12


That is one hell of a violent storm, heavy rain and gales replaced by blizzards - you can see why the Met are concerned.


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Stormchaser
19 December 2014 16:47:15

  


A variant on the same sequence of events from GFSP. All of a sudden the runs are being consistent with this scenario where two shortwaves combine and the low west of the Azores is in the right place to support a strong ridge toward Greenland, this being what steers the jet down into Europe (though rather typically the GFS did still manage to find more momentum west to east than north to south).


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David M Porter
19 December 2014 16:50:44


Interesting indeed:


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014121912/gfs-0-204.png?12


That is one hell of a violent storm, heavy rain and gales replaced by blizzards - you can see why the Met are concerned.


Originally Posted by: Whiteout 


That sure looks much more worthy or being described as a "weather bomb" than the system that passed to the north of Scotland last midweek that the press got into such a frenzy over!


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doctormog
19 December 2014 16:50:52

It may be very uncertain but at least the output isn't boring! I'd expect a few more twists and turn in coming days. The signal is there for some potentially very unsettled and maybe even rather wintry weather for a few days at least. It could be Christmas Day before there is any real certainty about what is heading our way.


Russwirral
19 December 2014 16:54:29

Really wouldnt surprise me if we saw a secondary low a few days later... perhaps even a repeat performance.  We saw that alot last year.


 


One being forecasted out to the atlantic.  


 


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Solar Cycles
19 December 2014 16:56:33


 


On board in the vaguest possible way. They must employ English language experts to come up with the most ambiguous legal jargon to cover all bases!


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

 I had to read it a few times before I got the gist of it.

warrenb
19 December 2014 16:58:20
Would be a terrible storm surge if that came off
Saint Snow
19 December 2014 16:58:54


 


Yeah, as long as you are safely at home at the time. I remember December 1st 2010. I was stuck in a traffic jam for hours. Had to get out and piss in front of everyone. So embarrassing


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


 


I betting you wrote your name in the snow...



 


 


 


 


 




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Saint Snow
19 December 2014 16:59:55

Would be a terrible storm surge if that came off

Originally Posted by: warrenb 


 


Coastal flooding followed by a rapid freeze - recipe for some *interesting* conditions



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Whiteout
19 December 2014 17:01:03


 


 


I betting you wrote your name in the snow...



 


 


 


 


 



Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Blimey, must have been desperate if he wrote 'The Beast from the East' !!surprised


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Stormchaser
19 December 2014 17:01:40

Comparing the 06z and 12z GFS and GFSP runs with the ECM 12z run of yesterday and 00z of today, the key difference looks to be the 'breakaway' low from the large feature west of the Azores, taking place days 6-7.


The ECM 00z didn't have this feature, and this meant that the angle of the jet was kept more SW-NE days 7-8, with a change to NW-SE, which does less to reduce the Euro High influence, keeping the jet further north. A low finally turned up from the SW on day 9 but by then the cold and snow potential was starting to fade a bit.


 


The breakaway low is present on the UKMO 12z op run day 6 chart which is good to see, but with realising the potential seemingly coming down to favourable behaviour of not one, but two shortwaves feels like trying to throw two darts at a board and score a bulls-eye with both!.


Alright maybe that's a bit tight - there's some wiggle room in terms of timing, as the GFS 06z and 12z op runs show nicely.


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Solar Cycles
19 December 2014 17:01:42


 


Probably won't happen, a few yrs ago I remember Tomasz Schafernaker talking to a middle aged guy live in Braemar and Tomasz asked him what was the worst snow he's seen there and he said "about 2 feet"


I was quite surprised to be honest. I would have thought more than that.


I suppose 2 feet in NW England is catastrophic 


Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 

We had over a foot here in February 96 and about the same in February 79 but the latter was whipped up into drifts of over 15 feet.


 


 


Bugger this is the MOD thread.

Russwirral
19 December 2014 17:04:22


 


 


Coastal flooding followed by a rapid freeze - recipe for some *interesting* conditions


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


High Tides heights dont seem to be too severe, but caught at the Right time, could cause issues.  Last year there was some exceptionally high tides combining with the storm surge, so it literally was a 1-100 yr event, as those tides dont happen that often.  Mothernature just felt like being a b!tch last year. 


Frostbite80
19 December 2014 17:09:51

the real cold hasn't been signalled until then as far as I am concerned just a nice festive feel for the big day itself apart from a very select few that may see a little white stuff but even then not a lot.

JoeShmoe99
19 December 2014 17:12:27


Interesting indeed:


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014121912/gfs-0-204.png?12


That is one hell of a violent storm, heavy rain and gales replaced by blizzards - you can see why the Met are concerned.


Originally Posted by: Whiteout 


Im meant to be driving from Edinburgh to Bristol that day 


Seriously though that's a real nasty storm with Snow, Gales and a likely storm surge - the UKMO ejects the same s/wave out oof the low at T+144 so wouldnt be too dissimilar if it went with the same explosive cyclogenesis idea

Liam79
19 December 2014 17:20:06
Hi all is anyone else not able to access the GFS 12 Z on the TWO chart viewer. Thanks in advance :)
David M Porter
19 December 2014 17:23:33

Hi all is anyone else not able to access the GFS 12 Z on the TWO chart viewer. Thanks in advance :)

Originally Posted by: Liam79 


I can't get the full run on wetterzentrale at the moment Liam, although that said it was starting to trickle out slowly when I last checked a few minutes ago.


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The Beast from the East
19 December 2014 17:31:57


 


 


I betting you wrote your name in the snow...


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I wrote "The Express said it would be mild"


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llamedos
19 December 2014 17:32:28


 


I can't get the full run on wetterzentrale at the moment Liam, although that said it was starting to trickle out slowly when I last checked a few minutes ago.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

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doctormog
19 December 2014 17:51:39


 


I wrote "The Express said it would be mild"


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 



Brian Gaze
19 December 2014 17:55:38

Hi all is anyone else not able to access the GFS 12 Z on the TWO chart viewer. Thanks in advance :)

Originally Posted by: Liam79 


Yes there are still upstream problems with the server we download the GFS data from. Should become available later this evening. 


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Rob K
19 December 2014 18:38:53

ECM is a bit different. It pulls in a brief northerly on Xmas Day before HP falls over the UK.

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014121912/ECM1-144.GIF?19-0


 


Not sure whether the storm will spin up later as per GFS. Edit -nope, the Euroslug spoiler is in full effect.


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Frostbite80
19 December 2014 18:47:58


ECM is a bit different. It pulls in a brief northerly on Xmas Day before HP falls over the UK.

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014121912/ECM1-144.GIF?19-0


 


Not sure whether the storm will spin up later as per GFS. Edit -nope, the Euroslug spoiler is in full effect.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 

lmao ECM is a horror show for coldies with a west based nao again surely not another outlier......something is not right either the ECM is just going off on one or it has latched on to something the other models haven't!

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