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sizzle
31 January 2015 13:28:30

just watched gavin p 5 days forecast looks cold but dry next week under that HP coming in from the west don't look like the eastlies are on the cards now according to gavin,

Gooner
31 January 2015 13:49:31

Remember the NAO is a meaningless figure. It is derived from the charts, not any sort of driver. If the charts are wrong then the forecast NAO is just as wrong.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


That is what some just don't understand or didn't know


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Andy Woodcock
31 January 2015 13:59:11



Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Nice one Quantum the line is right over my house, if you are right I will buy you a beer.


However, I am struggling to think of a synoptic situation in the past similar to that you described, one producing snow anyway, surely being along the Ridge axis would depress convection?


 


Andy Woodcock
Penrith
Cumbria

Altitude 535 feet

"Why are the British so worried about climate change? Any change to their climate can only be an improvement" John Daley 2001
Terry1Eyre
31 January 2015 14:39:51


Bird table model (BTM) is back in action, having been first used in December 2005.  A jay and yellow wagtail have visited the birdtable this afternoon.  Rare visitors indeed. I think they must have had a look at the 5 consecutive days of snowfall alerts on the Met O website.


The forecast from BTM 12z here is Brrrrr.  Tweet.


 are you sure your wagtail is not a grey one?yellow wagtails are summer visitors I just had a fieldfare feeding on apples in my garden


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 

uncle festa
31 January 2015 14:54:26

Funny you should say that.  My over winter blue tit visitor has been noticeable by his absence over the winter, but he has been back regularly to my back garden, over the past week.  Rather subjective I know, but when the north wind doth blow ..........


Bird table model (BTM) is back in action, having been first used in December 2005.  A jay and yellow wagtail have visited the birdtable this afternoon.  Rare visitors indeed. I think they must have had a look at the 5 consecutive days of snowfall alerts on the Met O website.


The forecast from BTM 12z here is Brrrrr.  Tweet.


 


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


stwike him, centurion, wuffly
Lee
shiver
31 January 2015 15:12:37
GME looks the biz at 108 sorry can't post link on my phone 🙂
uncle festa
31 January 2015 15:14:10

TBF, I feel that NAO signals aren't all they're cracked up to be.  I may be over simplifing this, but I believe the NAO forecast is one stating the predicted pressure differential between North Atlantic and the Pole. Granted, high pressure in the Atlantic usually signals milder weather for the UK, but in our current set-up, Atlantic HP seems like it's helping our cold spell's longevity.


I may, however, be cursing said HP if it kills the cold feed off in a week's time, and then have a sulk that we didn't get a day or 2 of travel chaos down sarf



 


That is what some just don't understand or didn't know


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


stwike him, centurion, wuffly
Lee
Quantum
31 January 2015 15:47:34


 


Nice one Quantum the line is right over my house, if you are right I will buy you a beer.


However, I am struggling to think of a synoptic situation in the past similar to that you described, one producing snow anyway, surely being along the Ridge axis would depress convection?


 


Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


Its not on the axis of the ridge, its inbetween the axis and the constant easterlies. At that point you have northerly winds moving into easterly winds hence a convergence or at least thats what I've noted in the past. Northumberland tends to be most affected, especially the Newcastle area. However the downside is that they are often extremely localized and rarely last for long (less than a day), nevertheless they can give very impressive snowfall totals.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
31 January 2015 15:49:34

GME looks the biz at 108 sorry can't post link on my phone :)

Originally Posted by: shiver 


GME is very good yes, another impressive if failed attempt at greenland retrogression, though I note that the GME is on the point of moving the high into the atlantic and producing another northerly.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Whether Idle
31 January 2015 16:09:02

Excellent trends within the semi reliable time frame with the high being nudged further NW on the 12z GFS



As a result of the brisk NE winds snow penetrates widely across S and E of England, if quite light for the most part, but cold.


 


UKMO is okay, and an upgrade of sorts on the 0z: here at 96hrs on the 12z


Modele UKMO - Carte prévisions


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
nsrobins
31 January 2015 16:22:58


Excellent trends within the semi reliable time frame with the high being nudged further NW on the 12z GFS


 


As a result of the brisk NE winds snow penetrates widely across S and E of England, if quite light for the most part, but cold.


UKMO is okay, and an upgrade of sorts on the 0z: here at 96hrs on the 12z


 


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


im liking your enthusiasm at the moment, but I fear you're ploughing a lone furrow!


if anything the 850s are moderated on this run thus lessening snow streamer events in the SE next week. Just one run though.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Whether Idle
31 January 2015 16:29:07


 


im liking your enthusiasm at the moment, but I fear you're ploughing a lone furrow!


if anything the 850s are moderated on this run thus lessening snow streamer events in the SE next week. Just one run though.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


All good to me Neil


Im well up for a ploughing match though


I disagree with your analysis there.  Its looking like a great week ahead of cold NW then N then NE then ENE winds.


There's convective snow potential and then embedded troughs and the 850s are sub -8 for some of the time  so I will continue to enjoy the fun as the models churn out more charts and I continue to convalesce from man-flu.


Im not expecting a severe spell, just enjoying wintry potential


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Gooner
31 January 2015 16:35:22


All looks cold enough to me ????


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


The Beast from the East
31 January 2015 16:36:37

Hints at retrogression. The high is further north but cant go anywhere. UKMO still not good


"We have some alternative facts for you"
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Gooner
31 January 2015 16:42:03


Frosty nights cold /chilly dry days , fog not too far away either


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


nsrobins
31 January 2015 17:05:30

We keep seeing the high try to build north, but it keeps meeting a brick wall in the form of low heights towards the Arctic. If the PV weakened a bit more we'd be looking at a decent easterly (further to the easterly next week that is).


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Brendon Hills Bandit
31 January 2015 17:05:58


TBF, I feel that NAO signals aren't all they're cracked up to be.  I may be over simplifing this, but I believe the NAO forecast is one stating the predicted pressure differential between North Atlantic and the Pole. Granted, high pressure in the Atlantic usually signals milder weather for the UK, but in our current set-up, Atlantic HP seems like it's helping our cold spell's longevity.


I may, however, be cursing said HP if it kills the cold feed off in a week's time, and then have a sulk that we didn't get a day or 2 of travel chaos down sarf


 


Originally Posted by: uncle festa 


Think that you are roughly correct there but not quite. Pretty certain that the NAO is the pressure difference between Iceland (i.e. the North Atlantic), and the Azores area (i.e. the area of atlantic closer to the equator). 


As others have stated the NAO is not a weather system or driver per se, it's simply a numerical representation of pressure difference. So if a forecast of high/low pressure over Iceland, high/low pressure over the Azores is wrong, then the NAO forecast is wrong too.


 


220m asl, edge of Brendon Hills
idj20
31 January 2015 17:21:40

So it seems that I am presented with the best chance of a snow streamer as we go into the second half of next week - and then high pressure taking a hold over or close by to the UK thereafter thus keeping the Atlantic Storm Machine well at arm's length.

Yep, I'm happy with all that.


Folkestone Harbour. 
Gooner
31 January 2015 17:26:36

http://www.aer.com/science-research/climate-weather/arctic-oscillation


Cohen's update


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


The Beast from the East
31 January 2015 17:29:11

Interesting Control so far


Trying to build north


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2015013112/gensnh-0-1-156.png


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
31 January 2015 17:31:02

We had no snow in low level Central London EastNE side, temps being at 3-5 deg. Celsius were the reason, and even if they were at plus one and 2 deg. Celsius for my area then areas 1 degree colder (around my part of London it would have settled) - this last week and today, from last Wednesday those in Birmingham and Manchester had the snow, especially Thursday to including today there it snowed but SE half of England was mostly at 3-6 deg. Temperature.


 


Synoptically optically the pattern in this Winter often had cold NW winds with frosts as well, And North Atlantic Low Systems as well as South NW Central E and NE US had plenty of Cold and often Snowy spells with spells of snow as well as some rainy weather as well, Milder and dry weather in their SW and South.  Central and NE USA very cold at times through this winter.


Next Week UK and Western and NW Europe again NW to Northerly winds bringing more sleety and on hills snow showers weather as well, and the UKMO less than GFS has what is a more likely cold GFS ENE Scandinavian N Central Europe flow of cold winds with more chances of pretty cold NE flow for SE Britain so this means there is still time for it to snow in London.


Next weeks weekend Central Mid East N Atlantic and West Northwest Europe Large North Atlantic Anticyclone, with the NE USA Sunday Night to Tuesday could see very cold weather with further chances of moderate and heavy snow that may give again a SuperSnow Nor'easter with Full Low crossing NE USA, this weather and Low Pressure currently in Central SW USA is now heading on towards NE USA so NY State New York City and New Jersey all of New New York and other NE USA States on Monday to Tuesday and Sunday night be aware of upto 2-3 foot of snow, this is part of a Low Pressure System number of them to cross over to Newfoundland Greenland South Central Arctic and Iceland to NE Europe and Norwegian Sea areas where they will take their track, over the next Weekend Eastern Central N Atlantic West NW Europe and UK large cold frosty High Pressure, that converts from less cold to get some Frosty cold East NE influx into it from a very Cold N and NE Europe. 


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
The Beast from the East
31 January 2015 17:31:35

Trough dropping into Scandi. Some very cold air in there as well


Hopefully the start of a new trend


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Whether Idle
31 January 2015 17:33:13


Interesting Control so far


Trying to build north


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2015013112/gensnh-0-1-156.png


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Now there's a surprise


 


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
The Beast from the East
31 January 2015 17:33:14

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2015013112/gensnh-0-0-192.png


If we get  retrogression it really could be special with such cold air close by


 


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Gooner
31 January 2015 17:40:38


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2015013112/gensnh-0-0-192.png


If we get  retrogression it really could be special with such cold air close by


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


It wouldn't take much to get us in the freezer


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


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