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Stormchaser
07 April 2015 13:35:16

Yikes... the GFS 06z operational would be good for a CET close to 11*C by month's end based on an estimate of 11.2*C to the 22nd.


That is an exceptional pattern being modeled though; low pressure keeps on developing near or over the Azores, and rather than pushing east or northeast as it did on the 00z, there is enough forcing from ridges in the mid-Atlantic to hold the trough back and even retrogress it west at times. The warmth just keeps on reloading from Europe again and again.


This is the very thing that I feel the current SST pattern favours, due to an enhanced temperature gradient (relative to the LTA) near the Azores and much reduced gradient near the UK and Europe:


 



See how there's negative anomalies north of positive anomalies in the central North Atlantic, while the situation is reversed just west of Europe and around the UK - though the positive anomalies are weak to the SW of the UK so not such a strong effect there.


I do reckon a prerequisite for the SSTs to force the jet stream and synoptic patterns, the polar vortex has to be in a weakened state, which means it's unlikely to be having much to say in things during a typical winter but could be quite significant once the vortex undergoes the usual collapse in the middle part of spring.


That's precisely what the models are showing over the coming 10 days. Fascinating times from a personal research perspective 


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springsunshine
07 April 2015 17:50:52


The way things are going we could well be looking at another April CET in double figures. Certainly the next 10-12 days looks potentially very warm indeed. The figures below could be an understatement if we get plenty of sunshine.


We have seen a very significant number of very warm April's in recent years. In 10 of the last 13 years the CET in April has been more than 0.5C above the 1971-2000 mean. The April CET for the last 20 years is 0.9C higher than the mean for 1971-2000. The CET has exceeded 10C in 3 of the last 8 years. 2012 and 2013 did buck the trend. Both were very cold with the CET well below 8C. Despite these two years the April CET for the last 13 years has averaged at 9.3C.


The only other month to have seen a similar trend is September but the figures for September have tailed off somewhat in recent years. After a couple of cool April's we seem to have resumed a trend of significant warming.


Previous years in recent times with very warm Aprils have gone on to see a warm May as well and often a reasonable June. But the second half of summer has usually been disappointing with poor July's and August's. Last year was a bit of an exception as July was decent but August was poor. We have had some decent August's following a fairly warm April in the past. 2002-2004 saw three in a row. However, August generally has failed to deliver for some considerable time. August has failed to reach 17C since 2004.



Here is the latest table showing the CET since 1950. All months or years in orange are a CET more than 0.5C above the 1971-2000 mean. Similarly those in blue are more than 0.5C below the 1971-2000 mean.


Between 1950 and 1988 there was only one year where the overall mean temperature was more than 0.5C above the 1971-2000 mean. Since 1989 there have been 15 such years.


Similarly between 1950 and 1988 there were 10 years with a CET mean more than 0.5C below the 1971-2000 mean. Since 1989 there has been only one.


From 1950-1988 the mean CET was 9.43C. From 1989-2014 the mean CET was 10.18C, a rise of 0.75C.


After a very warm 2014 we have now had four months in a row with temperatures close to the mean. I think is now looking very likely the orange colour will return this month.


 


Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


Great chart GW,Many Thanks!


Informative and interesting and have been studying it for a while.


One observation that sticks out like a sore thumb is September,only 1 at 0.5c below average in over 20 years now and the last cold autumn,as a season, was 1993.


We are long overdue a cold September and autumn!

Devonian
07 April 2015 20:04:06

I'm in trouble

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07 April 2015 20:30:29


I'm in trouble


Originally Posted by: Devonian 

We could be in trouble by the looks of SC's post. 


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08 April 2015 04:08:55


I'm in trouble


Originally Posted by: Devonian 


 


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Stormchaser
08 April 2015 09:22:26

A much cooler run from GFS this morning, as the mid-Atlantic low is further southwest, resulting in high pressure to the west rather than east of the UK, which is then able to reach to the high latitudes due to a more amplified jet pattern than seen in previous runs.


So some hope for those who didn't go for a month some 1-2*C above the LTA... as yet, no support from ECM though, so GFS might just be throwing out a red herring. The 12z runs will be of some interest in light of this.


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ARTzeman
08 April 2015 10:52:36

Met Office Hadley       8.6c.   Anomaly     2.1c.    Provisional to 7th.


Metcheck                   8.03c. Anomaly    -0.01c.


N-W                            8.69c.  Anomaly    0.6c.


Mount    Sorrel            8.5c.   Anomaly    0.4c.


My  Mean                    9.4c.   Anomaly    O.6c.     






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08 April 2015 16:55:44


A much cooler run from GFS this morning, as the mid-Atlantic low is further southwest, resulting in high pressure to the west rather than east of the UK, which is then able to reach to the high latitudes due to a more amplified jet pattern than seen in previous runs.


So some hope for those who didn't go for a month some 1-2*C above the LTA... as yet, no support from ECM though, so GFS might just be throwing out a red herring. The 12z runs will be of some interest in light of this.


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 

 Oh well.  It was nice while it lasted.   


Although we've seen some high daytime temps, the clear skies have also produced some very low night temps keeping the averages down but with a little more cloud cover the night time temps won't be as low so the daily averages could be even higher.


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ARTzeman
09 April 2015 10:32:10

Met Office Hadley     8.8c.     Anomaly    2.3c.   Provisional to  8th.


Metcheck                 8.24c.   Anomaly     0.22c.


N-W                          8.95c.   Anomaly    0.86c.


Mount  Sorrel           8.6c.     Anomaly     0.5c.


My  Mean                 9.9c.     Anomaly     1.1c.           






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Stormchaser
09 April 2015 22:41:10

The weekend's cooler temperatures will help to bring the CET back down toward the LTA... but not all that far, and by Tuesday it looks like it will be soaring again.


Unless the output changes significantly, we could be seeing an anomaly for the first half of April close to +2.5*C which is not to be sniffed at!


 


It's starting to look like the models were too late to catch on to the warm theme for April - it was only on the final day of March that the onslaught of runs yielding near or below average CET estimates came to an end. At the time, there was not enough run to run consistency to abandon the signal for the preceding five days and so I had to go with a figure close to the LTA.


 


This experiment is presenting a strong case for going with your gut feeling - in fact I reckon you'd be better off throwing a dart at a board displaying a matrix of possible CET values from a range of 15 feet and going with whatever value it landed on 


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Devonian
10 April 2015 09:36:04


The weekend's cooler temperatures will help to bring the CET back down toward the LTA... but not all that far, and by Tuesday it looks like it will be soaring again.


Unless the output changes significantly, we could be seeing an anomaly for the first half of April close to +2.5*C which is not to be sniffed at!


 


It's starting to look like the models were too late to catch on to the warm theme for April - it was only on the final day of March that the onslaught of runs yielding near or below average CET estimates came to an end. At the time, there was not enough run to run consistency to abandon the signal for the preceding five days and so I had to go with a figure close to the LTA.


 


This experiment is presenting a strong case for going with your gut feeling - in fact I reckon you'd be better off throwing a dart at a board displaying a matrix of possible CET values from a range of 15 feet and going with whatever value it landed on 


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


Yup. At the end of March the first week of April looked cloudy and thus probably cool - we've all seen such highs. April turns up and almost magically the cloud cleared and the rest is history. I think I could be 2C wrong


But, I've no doubt better and better science beats gut feeling.


 

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10 April 2015 11:35:15


The weekend's cooler temperatures will help to bring the CET back down toward the LTA... but not all that far, and by Tuesday it looks like it will be soaring again.


Unless the output changes significantly, we could be seeing an anomaly for the first half of April close to +2.5*C which is not to be sniffed at!


It's starting to look like the models were too late to catch on to the warm theme for April - it was only on the final day of March that the onslaught of runs yielding near or below average CET estimates came to an end. At the time, there was not enough run to run consistency to abandon the signal for the preceding five days and so I had to go with a figure close to the LTA.


This experiment is presenting a strong case for going with your gut feeling - in fact I reckon you'd be better off throwing a dart at a board displaying a matrix of possible CET values from a range of 15 feet and going with whatever value it landed on 


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 

Well at least you're putting the models to the test.  But as yet, it seems human gut output is doing better than computer model output.  Sounds about right to me.  Instinct rather than computations! 


I've not doubt the science will improve but models rely on human input getting better.


 


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ARTzeman
10 April 2015 11:43:30

Not Cooler....


Met  office  Hadley      9.0c.     Anomaly    2.5c.   Provisional   to  9th.


Met Check                     8.51c     Anomaly     0.29c.


N-W                               9.2c.      Anomaly     1.11c.


Mount     Sorrel            10.2c      Anomaly     1.4c.


My    Mean                   10.2c.     Anomaly     1.4c






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10 April 2015 14:10:32


Not Cooler....


Met  office  Hadley      9.0c.     Anomaly    2.5c.   Provisional   to  9th.


Met Check                     8.51c     Anomaly     0.29c.


N-W                               9.2c.      Anomaly     1.11c.


Mount     Sorrel            10.2c      Anomaly     1.4c.


My    Mean                   10.2c.     Anomaly     1.4c


Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 

I don't think today will be cooler either Art, so tomorrow we could see it go even higher, but if it cools down over the weekend it will probably steady off for a few days.  After that, who knows? 


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ARTzeman
11 April 2015 10:34:35

Met Office Hadley      9.3c.    Anomaly     2.7c.     provisional to 10th.


Metcheck                  8.86c.  Anomaly      0.85c.


N-W                           9.56c.  Anomaly     1.47c.


Mount    Sorrel          9.5c.    Anomaly     1.4c.


Clevedon Weather   10.7c.    Anomaly      1.5c.


My Mean                 10.4c     Anomaly      1.6c.


My Annual                 6.5c.    Anomaly      0.8c.


            






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ARTzeman
12 April 2015 10:22:53

Met Office Hadley      9.2c.     Anomaly     2.6c.   Provisional to  11th.


Metcheck                  8.77c.   Anomaly     0.75c.


N-W                          9.57c.   Anomaly     1.48c.


Mount    Sorrel          9.2c.     Anomaly     1.1c.


Clevedon  Weather    10.5c.   Anomaly     0.6c.


My   Mean                 10.3c    Anomaly    1.5c.


My   Annual                 6.4c.  Anomaly     0.7c.


   






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12 April 2015 17:36:29


Met Office Hadley      9.2c.     Anomaly     2.6c.   Provisional to  11th.


Metcheck                  8.77c.   Anomaly     0.75c.


N-W                          9.57c.   Anomaly     1.48c.


Mount    Sorrel          9.2c.     Anomaly     1.1c.


Clevedon  Weather    10.5c.   Anomaly     0.6c.


My   Mean                 10.3c    Anomaly    1.5c.


My   Annual                 6.4c.  Anomaly     0.7c.


   


Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 

9.2c is the figure I want it to settle at, even if it goes down and up again a few times. 


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13 April 2015 10:27:13

Met Office Hadley       9.2c.      Anomaly      2.5c.   Provisional to 12th.


Metcheck                   8.61c.    Anomaly      0.59c.


N-W                           9.51c.    Anomaly      1.42c.


Mount  Sorrel             8.9c       Anomaly      0.8c.


Clevedon Weather      10.6c.    Anomaly      0.5c.


My   Mean                 10.3c.     Anomaly     1.5c.        






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13 April 2015 19:55:38

Looks like it could have peaked a bit soon for most of us.  As much as I want it to stay where it is, I'd sacrifice a few points for a few degrees. 


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ARTzeman
14 April 2015 11:07:56

Met Office Hadley     9.2c.     Anomaly      2.4c.


Metcheck                 8.79c.   Anomaly      0.77c.


N-W                         9.54c.    Anomaly     1.45c.


Mount   Sorrel          9.3c.     Anomaly     1.2c.


Clevedon  Weather   10.7c.   Anomaly     0.4c


My     Mean              10.5c.  Anomaly     1.7c.      






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ARTzeman
15 April 2015 11:12:15

Met Office Hadley     9.4c.     Anomaly      2.5c.    Provisional  to 14th.


Metcheck                 9.11c.   Anomaly      1.09c.


N-W                         9.79c.   Anomaly      1.7c.


Mount   Sorrel          9.7c.     Anomaly       1.6c.


Clevedon Weather    10.7c.   Anomaly        0.5c.


My Mean                  10.6c.   Anomaly       1.8c.       






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Stormchaser
15 April 2015 15:02:45

It sure would be in for a boot skyward today if the very warm weather extended further to the NW... as it is, some lower readings in the western half of the CET region may moderate the effect at least a little.


Tomorrow looks good from my perspective; still pretty warm IMBY yet cool enough in the CET zone to halt the rise, maybe even turn it around (I've not run the numbers through yet today - spent many hours cycling 37.8 miles).


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15 April 2015 20:48:57

It's quite surprising that the first half of the month has been so warm and the models didn't pick it up until very late.  If the rest of the month gives more of the same, I'd be happy although we do need some rain.


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ARTzeman
16 April 2015 11:45:17

Met Office Hadley       9.5c.      Anomaly      2.5c.    provisional to  15th.


Metcheck                   9.25c.    Anomaly      1.23c.


N-W                            9.97c.    Anomaly     1.88c.


Mount  Sorrel             9.8c.      Anomaly      1.7c.


Clevedon Weather      10.7c.    Anomaly      0.4c.


My   Mean                 10.9c.     Anomaly      2.1c. 






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Global Warming
16 April 2015 21:31:57

The April CET currently stands at 9.37C by my calculations. For the second half of the month it currently looks like we will see only a slow rise. I am currently expecting the CET to finish at 9.58C. That is still 1.5C above the 1971-2000 mean and 1C above the 1981-2010 mean. So another very warm April looks to be on the cards.


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