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Global Warming
29 September 2015 21:31:20

Apologies for the late start to this thread.


September has been a very cool month - the coldest for over 20 years and continues the theme of rather cool weather we have seen since May. This is the first month in 2015 that has been more than 1C below average. Will that trend continue through the rest of Autumn?


Please post your October CET predictions in this thread. The deadline for entries without incurring any penalty is extended this month to 23:59 on Friday evening (2nd) due to this thread being opened late.


October historic data summary


Here is the usual rundown of historic data for previous years.


The last two Octobers have been very mild with a CET of 12.5C. 2011 was similarly mild has have most years been since 2001. But we have had a few cool Octobers as well such as 2008 and 2012 with 9.7C and 2003 with 9.2C. The mean October CET for the last 20 years is a very mild 11.3C.


Long run averages:
1971-2000: 10.4C
1981-2010: 10.7C
1995-2014: 11.3C


Here is a chart of the October CET since 1961 with a 10 year moving average


 


Current model output


GEFS
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT2_London_ens.png
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT2_Manchester_ens.png
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_Manchester_ens.png


Above average start but cooler later. This may not translate accurately to the surface though in the first few days as we remain under high pressure.


ECM (DE Bilt)


Sorry my ECM links have broken and I don't have time to sort them at the moment.


Met Office Contingency planners forecast
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/media/pdf/r/r/A3_plots-temp-OND_v1.pdf


Looks like the probabilities are favouring a warmer than average October which is consistent with the pattern matching analysis below. Strong QBO at the moment also helps to favour a positive NAO although this is likely to be tempered somewhat by the cool Atlantic SSTs. So this reduces the likelihood of a very warm October.


Pattern matching (just for fun)
I have been looking at years where the CET for July, August and September was cool in all three months. I will post something separately in due course about what this might mean for winter but there are very few matches in recent years. However, if you go back to the 1950's, 60's and early 70's you find quite a lot of matches.


Of the 11 reasonable matches I found since 1950 there is not much of a trend as far as the October CET is concerned. But there is tendency towards somewhat milder than average conditions. 8 of the 11 years saw the October CET at or above the 1971-2000 mean with 4 registering 11C or more. But only 1 year was higher than 11.1C (being 1954 with 11.9C). So there are no matches with a CET similar to the 12.5C we saw in 2013 and 2014. There are 3 years with very cool October CETs - 1950 with 9.6C, 1974 with 7.8C and 1993 with 8.5C. So a chance of a cold October but more likely to be close to or slightly above average based on the pattern matching.


October CET tracker
Here are the current prediction charts for the first part of October. After a chilly start it could turn very mild for a time (but more unsettled). If this does happen it will be due to some extremely high minimums rather than maximums increasing. So overall the first half of October could turn out to be rather mild.


Norseman
29 September 2015 21:32:15

10.9C for me please.

Hungry Tiger
29 September 2015 21:37:30

Just stickied it for you Simon. :-)


 


Gavin S. FRmetS.
TWO Moderator.
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South Cambridgeshire. 93 metres or 302.25 feet ASL.


Hungry Tiger
29 September 2015 21:39:32

Reading the assessment for this one makes things even more difficult. I've bollocksed again with my September one by the look of it.


Need a little time to think this one over.


 


Gavin S. FRmetS.
TWO Moderator.
Contact the TWO team - [email protected]
South Cambridgeshire. 93 metres or 302.25 feet ASL.


Deep Powder
29 September 2015 21:47:45
My guess is 10.4c please, bang on the old average, but colder would not surprise me!❄️
Near Leatherhead 100masl (currently living in China since September 2019)
Loving the weather whatever it brings, snow, rain, wind, sun, heat, all great!
springsunshine
30 September 2015 03:52:26

10.2 Please!

Surrey John
30 September 2015 05:53:59
10.4c for me please

Bradford on Avon, Wiltshire
35m ASL
Ally Pally Snowman
30 September 2015 06:47:51

9.95c please


 


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Essan
30 September 2015 06:55:21

10.8c


Andy
Evesham, Worcs, Albion - 35m asl
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lanky
30 September 2015 07:20:26

I'll go with 10.5C please


Martin
Richmond, Surrey
ARTzeman
30 September 2015 07:26:11

10.3c For me please...






Some people walk in the rain.
Others just get wet.
I Just Blow my horn or trumpet
Tractor Boy
30 September 2015 07:45:06

11.6C for me please.


Dave
Farndale, North York Moors
domma
30 September 2015 07:51:16

10.0c for me, thanks


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Gary

Edicius81
30 September 2015 08:51:02
10.72c please
Roonie
30 September 2015 10:08:40
11.44 please

:)
Still Lurking.......

North Worcestershire
Hungry Tiger
30 September 2015 10:26:38

I'll go for


10.2C

Gavin S. FRmetS.
TWO Moderator.
Contact the TWO team - [email protected]
South Cambridgeshire. 93 metres or 302.25 feet ASL.


Saint Snow
30 September 2015 12:11:39

I'm now at the stage of sh*t or bust in terms of the annual comp. 


11.8c


 


 



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
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marting
30 September 2015 12:14:00
May I have 11.00c please
Thasnk
Martin
Martin
Greasby, Wirral.
Grandad
30 September 2015 13:44:51


10.9C for me please.

Dougie
30 September 2015 13:58:20

11.5°c please.


Ha'way the lads
Sussex snow magnet
30 September 2015 15:37:41
11.1 please
Dingle Rob
30 September 2015 15:52:19

10.8C please

roger63
30 September 2015 16:50:21

10.7 c please.

scillydave
30 September 2015 17:21:22
10.6 for me please
Currently living at roughly 65m asl North of Cowbridge in the Vale of Glamorgan.

Formerly of, Birdlip, highest village in the Cotswolds and snow heaven in winter; Hawkinge in Kent - roof of the South downs and Isles of Scilly, paradise in the UK.
Gusty
30 September 2015 18:22:59

11.2c please 


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